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(02-10-2022, 10:27 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Morris perhaps?

I don't think this would fly....

Luka and Kennard also have had beef in the past.

But then again so did Luka and Chriss.

I wonder whether Carlisle rates Bitadze. I still think his upside is Nurkic. Been ABA MVP like Jokic/Saric at a young age. Good rebounder/shotblocker and shown some potential in other areas. He´d be a great back-up legit C.

Maybe Carlisle prefers precious veteran Tristan Thompson as Turner´s primary back-up and I. Jackson as the top prospect at PF.

If they tank hard, they could also get a PF/C in the draft.

I´d take either or even both of Rubio + Warren for THJ. Good chance you can sign them to cheap extensions. You want veteran help in positions of need. They are it. Rubio is the PG + veteran leader + defensive guard you want off the bench and Warren can be that microwave scorer.

But that is probably a stretch, although if you think about it, I doubt either Rubio or TJ Warren have much attachment or interest to play for rebuilding Indiana.

Maybe I´ll lay off the crackpipe now and use a Craig pipe.

How about

Rubio for THJ + Boban + Moses Brown
Craig + Bitadze for the TPE and two future 2nd round picks.

(02-10-2022, 09:09 AM)Jym Wrote: [ -> ]Those Dinwiddle shooting numbers are so horrendous. I hope we don't touch him.

Before Brunson's emergence as a starting level PG I would have been maybe a little more tempted but as-is that's a hard no from me.

Its interesting to me that Dinwiddie is supposedly gettable for THJ without an asset but we would have to pay an asset for Ross.  I realize Din has a larger contract, but he is way better player than Ross right now.  I wish he could shoot a little better, but having another player on the floor that can move the ball (and run a unit if necessary) that wont kill you on defense would definitely be of value.  I kind of like the idea of having 2 of Luka/Brunson/Din on the floor along with 2 of DFS/Maxi/Bullock on the floor.  He would probably crowd out some of Greens minutes.

A more telling quote from the Mavs source already posted:

"The most likely outcome for Dallas is that they are left wanting at the deadline. At the moment they are too good — fifth in the West — to make major disruptions and they continue to be higher on their own assets than the market value. That’s not uncommon, but it means that without a bevy of picks to use, they’ll have a hard time finding upgrades unless one falls in their laps."

(02-10-2022, 10:35 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]Its interesting to me that Dinwiddie is supposedly gettable for THJ without an asset but we would have to pay an asset for Ross.  I realize Din has a larger contract, but he is way better player than Ross right now.  I wish he could shoot a little better, but having another player on the floor that can move the ball (and run a unit if necessary) that wont kill you on defense would definitely be of value.  I kind of like the idea of having 2 of Luka/Brunson/Din on the floor along with 2 of DFS/Maxi/Bullock on the floor.  He would probably crowd out some of Greens minutes.

It´s obvious Orlando is asking for way too much. They are tanking. They have wanted veterans like Ross, Harris, RoLo and they have to make a decision between Bamba and Isaac soon-ish too. Yet all we heard is them asking for 1st round picks.

(02-10-2022, 10:35 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]Its interesting to me that Dinwiddie is supposedly gettable for THJ without an asset but we would have to pay an asset for Ross.  I realize Din has a larger contract, but he is way better player than Ross right now.  I wish he could shoot a little better, but having another player on the floor that can move the ball (and run a unit if necessary) that wont kill you on defense would definitely be of value.  I kind of like the idea of having 2 of Luka/Brunson/Din on the floor along with 2 of DFS/Maxi/Bullock on the floor.  He would probably crowd out some of Greens minutes.

Asking price and sales price can often be very different things.  I personally think SD is worth more than TR.

BTW, I can’t think of a time when you, Omahen and I have been on the same page on a deal.

Still throwing it out there that OKC is about 20 mil away from the salary cap floor. THJ's contract fits there perfectly. I can't see a reason why OKC doesn't use that available space since they're going to have to spend the money anyways.

3-team deal:

OKC: THJ
Mavs: Hield
IND: Poku+Favors.

(02-10-2022, 10:43 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Asking price and sales price can often be very different things.  I personally think SD is worth more than TR.

BTW, I can’t think of a time when you, Omahen and I have been on the same page on a deal.

I think you have to be Lakers desperate to want T-Ross. I´d not even give up 2nd round pick(s) for him, let alone a first. With Ross the contract is not even expiring.

I can at least see the argument asking for a late 1st for Bamba or Harris, but so far it seems nobody is interested in that either.

https://twitter.com/MarkDeeksNBA/status/...1296095233

(02-10-2022, 10:40 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]A more telling quote from the Mavs source already posted:

"The most likely outcome for Dallas is that they are left wanting at the deadline. At the moment they are too good — fifth in the West — to make major disruptions and they continue to be higher on their own assets than the market value. That’s not uncommon, but it means that without a bevy of picks to use, they’ll have a hard time finding upgrades unless one falls in their laps."

Team chemistry is good right now.  The sum is better than the parts.  Unless an obvious move presents itself why make a trade?

(02-10-2022, 10:48 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Still throwing it out there that OKC is about 20 mil away from the salary cap floor. THJ's contract fits there perfectly. I can't see a reason why OKC doesn't use that available space since they're going to have to spend the money anyways.

3-team deal:

OKC: THJ
Mavs: Hield
IND: Poku+Favors.

I´d rather have Poku/Favors than Hield.

Besides that though you need to look at the salary floor as a tanking BS bonus for the existing roster.

Being 20M below the floor means a bonus of $1.3M for every player. If you look at it from a percentage point of view, that means a 70% bonus for their fringe NBA players/rookies. That´s a lot of money to put up with all their organisational BS.

(02-10-2022, 10:56 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]I´d rather have Poku/Favors than Hield.

Besides that though you need to look at the salary floor as a tanking BS bonus for the existing roster.

Being 20M below the floor means a bonus of $1.3M for every player. If you look at it from a percentage point of view, that means a 70% bonus for their fringe NBA players/rookies. That´s a lot of money to put up with all their organisational BS.

Right but from an administrative POV it makes zero sense if you can get an asset for free essentially. No reason to spend money on air and give your players a 1mil bonus.

I'm sure the players won't mind. But I don't really think Presti cares. Half of that roster won't be there by the time their contracts are up.

(02-10-2022, 10:24 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/_TradeDeadline/statu...1716090885

Wait, Powell?  What?  Now they’ve gone too far.

Well, you’d have to get a big back in such a deal.  Holmes?

Do you do THJ/DP for Dragic/Boucher?  Toronto retains the ability to do something with both later rather than getting nothing for Dragic and possibly nothing for RFA Boucher either.  Dallas could keep or dump Dragic and Boucher next year depending on what else happens.  You have to add Moses for Birch to keep Toronto under the Hard Cap.

If Reggie continues this play and Dwight somehow gets traded for pretty much anyone besides Westbrick… Nico will have my full approval

Not a good look for the Mavs (again) to be aggressively shopping a guy that supposedly took less money to re-sign here.

One of the Mavs studio analysts during the Detroit game called Brunson the Mavs 2nd best player and nobody blinked.

I´m pretty confident saying the new MBT views Doncic, Brunson, Bullock, DFS as the untouchables. Everybody else is available.

(02-10-2022, 11:01 AM)SatnamSingh Wrote: [ -> ]Not a good look for the Mavs (again) to be aggressively shopping a guy that supposedly took less money to re-sign here.

Again this is a poor narrative. He didn't take less money out of charity. He CHOSE to resign here because he wanted to win. The other places offering him more money are tanking teams that have no direction. There is a value to winning and playing next to Luka. 

Mavs offered their price and THJ figured it was worth the paycut versus Detroit and Pelicans.

(02-10-2022, 11:03 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Again this is a poor narrative. 

Not my narrative.  That's the narrative on most non Mavs fan forums. People wonder why no one ever signs here in free agency.

(02-10-2022, 11:04 AM)SatnamSingh Wrote: [ -> ]Not my narrative.  People wonder why no one ever signs here in free agency.

It is your narrative. Mavs have been one of the most loyal to our guys teams in the league.

(02-10-2022, 11:04 AM)SatnamSingh Wrote: [ -> ]Not my narrative.  People wonder why no one ever signs here in free agency.

Because the Mavs chose to upgrade an expendable piece on their roster after said player put up a pedestrian 3 months after signing a big extension...?

That makes zero sense.

Nobody signed with the Mavs from 2012-2020 because 1) they always had a less than stellar roster compared to the competition. Donnie Nelson/Mark Cuban were/are poor negotiators. 3) They always chose big stars versus making smaller moves.

Lets see if the new GM takes a different approach.