(04-04-2022, 09:04 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]Didn't say they were.
I said: "Put me in the HARD PASS group for plans based on jettisoning JB, in any iteration," and the choice of "plans" is 100% in the Mavs hands.
If they don’t have contingency iterations based on the scenario that JB leaves, we’re right back to the Donnie years.
(04-05-2022, 03:21 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]If they don’t have contingency iterations based on the scenario that JB leaves, we’re right back to the Donnie years.
I don't think there are any JB leaves plans.
If there are any that would be horrendous.
The plans should be how to make sure he stays.
There is a really short checklist for the offseason.
1. Keep JB.
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2a. Get 3rd Big for 3-headed Center rotation.
2b. Draft BPA.
DON'T FUCK IT UP WITH ANY MAJOR TRADES.
(04-05-2022, 02:59 AM)Sigma4Life Wrote: [ -> ]Turner is a center that doesn’t rebound. That’s enough to pass unless it’s a very favorable deal for the Mavs. His career average is 6.7 reb / game.
Rebounding is such a situational stat. I would not worry about individual rebounding numbers too much. Pacers are average in team rebounds.
- If you contest the shot or go for the shot block, you'll be likely out for the rebound. If the opponent makes more shots, less rebounds in team total.
- If you play with other big players, rebounds will be distributed more vs. a lone primary rebounder. (Sabonis collecting 12.1 REB with Pacers)
- If you play hard to box out your opponent, the easy rebound will be collected by someone else, but it is your effort that makes it possible.
- Open rebounds being collected by guards per coaching scheme
- Crashing the offensive boards vs. getting back early per coaching scheme (who's the designated offensive rebounder)
I always find it suspicious when you see players consistently racking up high defensive rebound numbers. These are often stat hunting guys who prioritise rebounding over playing defense (hello Drummond, DAJ, ...)
(04-05-2022, 04:48 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think there are any JB leaves plans.
If there are any that would be horrendous.
The plans should be how to make sure he stays.
There is a really short checklist for the offseason.
1. Keep JB.
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2a. Get 3rd Big for 3-headed Center rotation.
2b. Draft BPA.
DON'T FUCK IT UP WITH ANY MAJOR TRADES.
Fail to plan, plan to fail.
Also, Donnie would have loved you (sounds like in multiple ways) in his office.
(04-05-2022, 05:02 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Fail to plan, plan to fail.
Plan to fail -> fail.
That’s not like a Draft Board with the next best alternative:
BPA gone, take SBPA.
It's keep a starter level player or get nothing.
If there is a way to improve, if JB leaves, there is the same way if JB stays.
(04-05-2022, 05:45 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]Plan to fail -> fail.
That’s not like a Draft Board with the next best alternative:
BPA gone, take SBPA.
It's keep a starter level player or get nothing.
If there is a way to improve, if JB leaves, there is the same way if JB stays.
I don't agree. You are operating under assumption that Brunson wants to stay. If that is the fact, than your job is easy and there is likely very difficult to find a better scenario than resign him. But it is also possible that Brunson will leave no matter what. Because he wants to be the lead PG. Even if you offer max salary. It is possible he will not tell you about his plans, because he is "focusing on the season and will think about it in June". It is also possible that he really doesn't want to think about it before June. That is why you need to have all scenarios covered.
The real good GM finds a positive outcome out of that scenario. This can't happen if you are surprised by Brunson stating he will sign with Knicks on the opening day of FA. There are possible scenarios where you use outgoing Brunson salary in a trade for a player you want, which enables you to send zero salary to the team selling the player. I think a good GM has to explore those options. Good GM will see who can be available in the trade and what the opposing team wants in return. Is there a good player where a team values that they don't get salary back, just picks? These are cases where Brunson contract could become valuable. If he declares he wants to leave.
(04-05-2022, 06:15 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I don't agree. You are operating under assumption that Brunson wants to stay. If that is the fact, than your job is easy and there is likely very difficult to find a better scenario than resign him. But it is also possible that Brunson will leave no matter what. Because he wants to be the lead PG. Even if you offer max salary. It is possible he will not tell you about his plans, because he is "focusing on the season and will think about it in June". It is also possible that he really doesn't want to think about it before June. That is why you need to have all scenarios covered.
The real good GM finds a positive outcome out of that scenario. This can't happen if you are surprised by Brunson stating he will sign with Knicks on the opening day of FA. There are possible scenarios where you use outgoing Brunson salary in a trade for a player you want, which enables you to send zero salary to the team selling the player. I think a good GM has to explore those options. Good GM will see who can be available in the trade and what the opposing team wants in return. Is there a good player where a team values that they don't get salary back, just picks? These are cases where Brunson contract could become valuable. If he declares he wants to leave.
Ok let's say he is deadset to leave, just for the sake of it.
You can't even make a legit trade with his salary, because out=/=in. TPE is gone at the start of FA.
You would pay assets just to make anything work.
If he's gone, he is gone.
Or you have to take what you can get, what is the opposite of planing.
(04-05-2022, 06:42 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]Ok let's say he is deadset to leave, just for the sake of it.
You can't even make a legit trade with his salary, because out=/=in. TPE is gone at the start of FA.
You would pay assets just to make anything work.
If he's gone, he is gone.
Or you have to take what you can get, what is the opposite of planing.
I can't agree with this logic. There are many possibilities to make the deal work if creative enough and we have seen examples in past seasons with teams wiggling salaries to make complicated schemes work. When thinking about trade, I am of course thinking about a three way deal. This way you have plenty of options to combine the ingoing and outgoing salary correctly. Lets say Grant is the target and Brunson wants to go to NY.
Det: Salary filler from NY, salary filler from Dal, Dallas picks
NY: Brunson SnT
Dal: Grant
(04-05-2022, 06:42 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]Ok let's say he is deadset to leave, just for the sake of it.
You can't even make a legit trade with his salary, because out=/=in. TPE is gone at the start of FA.
You would pay assets just to make anything work.
If he's gone, he is gone.
Or you have to take what you can get, what is the opposite of planing.
Actually, you HAVE TO make a trade with anyone who wants him that doesn't have cap room. So, NY (as I've illustrated numerous times) has to come up with the right amount of salary to make BYC work. It isn't difficult to do with other teams either. It is just math.
At this point we don't have certainty around when the TPE is gone. The most likely expiration date is 7/31 as it is listed at Spotrac which is one calendar year from the Richardson trade. That is a month after free agency starts, meaning the TPE can easily be used to facilitate something around the draft or in the first few weeks after the moratorium.
I don't think anyone wants this outcome, but it would be foolish to not have contingencies around the possibility.
The time to trade Brunson was this past trade deadline. If he leaves this offseason no equal value will be coming back in return, at best they'll get some useful scraps but it would be a failure and there's no getting around that.
In addition to figuring out a trade scenario, we would have just lost a HUGE part of what made us work. You don’t just follow through with the plan after that. You HAVE to figure out a way to patch the gaping hole.
(04-05-2022, 08:05 AM)Branduil Wrote: [ -> ]The time to trade Brunson was this past trade deadline. If he leaves this offseason no equal value will be coming back in return, at best they'll get some useful scraps but it would be a failure and there's no getting around that.
Absolutely. You know what makes it even more of a failure? Failing to plan for that scenario. If our plan is to shore up the frontcourt and we lose JB, we already know the team would value the ball handling more than shoring up the frontline, because it was the stated goal at the TDL and what they got for KP.
(04-05-2022, 08:11 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Absolutely. You know what makes it even more of a failure? Failing to plan for that scenario. If our plan is to shore up the frontcourt and we lose JB, we already know the team would value the ball handling more than shoring up the frontline, because it was the stated goal at the TDL and what they got for KP.
Maybe the Plan B is already in place with the deadline acquisition of Dinwiddie? Maybe they went for him because he can work both with Brunson or as a replacement?
I'm pretty sure the Mavs want to and are confident they can sign re-sign Brunson. This is why they did not trade him by the deadline. But if they can't because Brunson decides to leave and did not make his intention clear in advance, they can't do anything but try to construct a sign-and-trade to the receiving team (also requiring mutual interest). A backup plan can for this situation is hard to construct ... given the limited possibilities, lack of assets and capspace.
(04-05-2022, 05:45 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]Plan to fail -> fail.
That’s not like a Draft Board with the next best alternative:
BPA gone, take SBPA.
It's keep a starter level player or get nothing.
If there is a way to improve, if JB leaves, there is the same way if JB stays.
Sounding like Yoda-speak to me...
There is no try, only do or do not.
(04-05-2022, 09:05 AM)Halfnir Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe the Plan B is already in place with the deadline acquisition of Dinwiddie? Maybe they went for him because he can work both with Brunson or as a replacement?
I'm pretty sure the Mavs want to and are confident they can sign re-sign Brunson. This is why they did not trade him by the deadline. But if they can't because Brunson decides to leave and did not make his intention clear in advance, they can't do anything but try to construct a sign-and-trade to the receiving team (also requiring mutual interest). A backup plan can for this situation is hard to construct ... given the limited possibilities, lack of assets and capspace.
Yes, I would assume the backup plan would be something along the lines of moving SD to the starting lineup and finding his replacement, but that is still a backup plan which is what I’m talking about. If JB takes the whole week to decide before the moratorium is lifted, there are a lot of names that are already off the table. If we call Dragic on the first day and tell him, even if JB resigns, we’ll use him in our rotation if he signs with us, that is executing a contingency plan, not scrambling for scraps!
(04-05-2022, 07:49 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Actually, you HAVE TO make a trade with anyone who wants him that doesn't have cap room. So, NY (as I've illustrated numerous times) has to come up with the right amount of salary to make BYC work. It isn't difficult to do with other teams either. It is just math.
At this point we don't have certainty around when the TPE is gone. The most likely expiration date is 7/31 as it is listed at Spotrac which is one calendar year from the Richardson trade. That is a month after free agency starts, meaning the TPE can easily be used to facilitate something around the draft or in the first few weeks after the moratorium.
I don't think anyone wants this outcome, but it would be foolish to not have contingencies around the possibility.
Internet says FA starts 08/02.
TPE is there at the Draft but not in FA. This makes sense, because this is when we got it.
We don't have to make a trade. If it doesn't do us any good, don't do it.
There is nothing on NYK I want. If they want to offer JB let them figure it out.
We don't know if and where and why JB would want to leave. So there is no planing about it.
(04-05-2022, 09:33 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]Internet says FA starts 08/02.
TPE is there at the Draft but not in FA. This makes sense, because this is when we got it.
We don't have to make a trade. If it doesn't do us any good, don't do it.
There is nothing on NYK I want. If they want to offer JB let them figure it out.
We don't know if and where and why JB would want to leave. So there is no planing about it.
Nothing on NYK that you want? Are you serious? If nothing else, they have the biggest cock block we need in their possession!
(04-05-2022, 09:31 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, I would assume the backup plan would be something along the lines of moving SD to the starting lineup and finding his replacement, but that is still a backup plan which is what I’m talking about. If JB takes the whole week to decide before the moratorium is lifted, there are a lot of names that are already off the table. If we call Dragic on the first day and tell him, even if JB resigns, we’ll use him in our rotation if he signs with us, that is executing a contingency plan, not scrambling for scraps!
But why would Dragic decide, before he knows what JB will do? Or wait for him to decide, if he has other options.
There is a reason nearly everyone is waiting for the big fish. And there is a reason the worst contracts are signed at the start of FA. (Don't get me wrong, the best are also signed early).
If you aren't the one for Mrs. Right, you will be scrambling. There is no planing for the Chaos.
(04-05-2022, 09:40 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Nothing on NYK that you want? Are you serious? If nothing else, they have the biggest cock block we need in their possession!
I would take our pick back. But what would we have to take with it?
And what would it cost to balance the salary?
This has to please NYK a third team with capspace and us. Can't see it.
(04-05-2022, 09:33 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]Internet says FA starts 08/02.
Free agency should open on June 30, 2022...one week after the draft on June 23, 2022.
The NBA calendar is going back to normal this year.