(03-15-2022, 10:51 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I can go with this, other than Bertans, Hardaway and Brunson. I don't think any one of them is nearly as bad on defense as people claim.
I think Bertans has been good on defense, even. So far, at least. Obviously, this has been doled out in extremely small doses, which is fine - that's all he'll play, anyway.
EDIT: Oh, and I think Powell is uncommonly good at defending the pick and roll from the 5 spot. Like, other teams are probably jealous of the Mavs about that.
I don't think any of them are terrible. There are worse defenders in the NBA for sure, but they are all below average.
Powell is really good at P&R defense for a 5, but he is a poor rim protector at the 5 so it kind of washes out. This is what makes Maxi so valuable, he can do both well.
(03-15-2022, 11:23 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]Powell is really good at P&R defense for a 5, but he is a poor rim protector at the 5 so it kind of washes out. This is what makes Maxi so valuable, he can do both well.
I agree that Kleber is a better rim protector, but I still think you're selling Powell's plusses a bit short. I think they're rare and coveted. I think both of those guys are really valuable on defense, personally.
(03-15-2022, 07:33 AM)Smitty Wrote: [ -> ]Have you finally come around on Green?!
I always wanted Kidd to play him as I thought it would add to his trade value, so I'm referring to that. If the Mavs S&T for Mitchell, it wouldn't surprise me if they wanted him in an exchange package.
However, he's playing well enough for regular rotation minutes, and has earned contract extension in spades... so that is a pleasant surprise. If he starts to have confidence in a 3-pointer, then you have a keeper. It's crow for me.
But realistically, the better he gets, the harder he is going to be to keep. Most of us complain regularly that Dallas doesn't have any quality players to trade. If Green improves a little more, he becomes that player. Teams will want a young, athletic, hard-working player with upside. It's good for Dallas either way.
I believe, that there is no team in the West that the Mavs can't beat in the playoffs. Just realised this. Will be fun to watch. I think looking back at this season, the game against the Suns was what I think was the highest level from an opponent, they were just incredibly efficient and smart. Memphis we own in a direct matchup every time. Same with Denver and GS. Clippers can be hard to beat, but we are better this season. In the East there are even harder matchups with Bucks, 76ers and Heat.
(03-15-2022, 12:22 PM)burekemde Wrote: [ -> ]I believe, that there is no team in the West that the Mavs can't beat in the playoffs. Just realised this. Will be fun to watch. I think looking back at this season, the game against the Suns was what I think was the highest level from an opponent, they were just incredibly efficient and smart. Memphis we own in a direct matchup every time. Same with Denver and GS. Clippers can be hard to beat, but we are better this season. In the East there are even harder matchups with Bucks, 76ers and Heat.
Personally, I don't think anyone is beating PHX this year if Chris Paul is healthy.
But, I'm looking forward to the world learning just how normal that team becomes in the near future when he falls off/retires.
(03-15-2022, 12:23 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Personally, I don't think anyone is beating PHX this year if Chris Paul is healthy
Agreed. I'm not sure anybody can beat them 4 out of 7 even if Chris Paul doesn't play.
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say the Mavs are 1 and done in the playoffs this year if the opponent is close to full strength. I’ll happily eat crow if they beat a quality opponent at near full strength.
(03-15-2022, 12:47 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say the Mavs are 1 and done in the playoffs this year if the opponent is close to full strength. I’ll happily eat crow if they beat a quality opponent at near full strength.
What makes you say that? Just curious, as I am pretty high on them going into these playoffs. More so than at any point since we broke up the championship team. The defense has been really good and we have good ball movement and shotmaking ability. We have been one of the best teams in the league since Christmas, and we've improved. We are steadily moving up the standings. I think another offseason of tinkering and we are looking at being a top seed next season. So why do you see us as 1-done? I mean, the West is still brutal, so it wouldn't surprise me if anyone beat anyone - is it that?
(03-15-2022, 10:29 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I would argue that our truly plus defenders are Maxi, DFS, Green and Frank
Our truly minus defenders are Bertans, Hardaway and Brunson
Bullock and Powell are probably on the high side of average. Luka and Din are probably on the low side.
I play better defense than Bertans while sitting at home on the couch watching the games.
(03-15-2022, 12:57 PM)Mavsfan12 Wrote: [ -> ]What makes you say that? Just curious, as I am pretty high on them going into these playoffs. More so than at any point since we broke up the championship team. The defense has been really good and we have good ball movement and shotmaking ability. We have been one of the best teams in the league since Christmas, and we've improved. We are steadily moving up the standings. I think another offseason of tinkering and we are looking at being a top seed next season. So why do you see us as 1-done? I mean, the West is still brutal, so it wouldn't surprise me if anyone beat anyone - is it that?
To me the biggest question is the effect returning players will have. There are several key players that may be back before the playoffs, rested and ready to go.
DEN has MPJ (now in G League work) and Murray looking to get back.
PHX is trying to get CP3 back. Says out 6-8 weeks. 4/17 is 8 weeks. Just in time.
LAC says Kawhi isn't coming back, but there were reports of on-court work recently. PG is unknown at this time.
LAL has AD starting light court work. (Won't help them much, IMO)
MEM just got Dillon Brooks back last weekend.
GSW just got Green and Matthews back. Igoudala is unknown.
And this is just the Western Conference.
(03-15-2022, 12:57 PM)Mavsfan12 Wrote: [ -> ]What makes you say that? Just curious, as I am pretty high on them going into these playoffs. More so than at any point since we broke up the championship team. The defense has been really good and we have good ball movement and shotmaking ability. We have been one of the best teams in the league since Christmas, and we've improved. We are steadily moving up the standings. I think another offseason of tinkering and we are looking at being a top seed next season. So why do you see us as 1-done? I mean, the West is still brutal, so it wouldn't surprise me if anyone beat anyone - is it that?
Because we’re playing at 100% capacity, I don’t think there is another gear to get to with the talent we have on the team.
(03-15-2022, 02:24 PM)michaeltex Wrote: [ -> ]To me the biggest question is the effect returning players will have. There are several key players that may be back before the playoffs, rested and ready to go.
DEN has MPJ (now in G League work) and Murray looking to get back.
PHX is trying to get CP3 back. Says out 6-8 weeks. 4/17 is 8 weeks. Just in time.
LAC says Kawhi isn't coming back, but there were reports of on-court work recently. PG is unknown at this time.
LAL has AD starting light court work. (Won't help them much, IMO)
MEM just got Dillon Brooks back last weekend.
GSW just got Green and Matthews back. Igoudala is unknown.
And this is just the Western Conference.
DAL has THJ out ... haven't heard a timetable on his return. Injured Jan 25th. Surgery Feb 2nd. Average time lost for in-season fifth metatarsal fracture is roughly 10 to 11 weeks, so mid April return seems possible. Mavs' last regular season game is April 10.
(03-15-2022, 12:22 PM)burekemde Wrote: [ -> ]I believe, that there is no team in the West that the Mavs can't beat in the playoffs. Just realised this. Will be fun to watch. I think looking back at this season, the game against the Suns was what I think was the highest level from an opponent, they were just incredibly efficient and smart. Memphis we own in a direct matchup every time. Same with Denver and GS. Clippers can be hard to beat, but we are better this season. In the East there are even harder matchups with Bucks, 76ers and Heat.
I don't think they can beat Phoenix four times if they're healthy. And just because the Mavs have won the season series over Memphis, doesn't mean it translates in the playoffs. Teams are selling Memphis short, and they got they're best perimeter defender back in Brooks, who missed most of the season. GS just got Green back, and when Klay finds his stroke ,GS is also going to be tough to beat. Too early for proclaimations.
(03-15-2022, 10:37 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think they can beat Phoenix four times if they're healthy. And just because the Mavs have won the season series over Memphis, doesn't mean it translates in the playoffs. Teams are selling Memphis short, and they got they're best perimeter defender back in Brooks, who missed most of the season. GS just got Green back, and when Klay finds his stroke ,GS is also going to be tough to beat. Too early for proclaimations.
I’d take Mavs in 6 over Griz. Warriors in 7 over Mavs. Suns in 5. I see that much difference.
The only year I was confident with the Mavs reaching the finals was year 2007. (Mavs had a major stumbling block in SA so I was not as confident as I was back in 2006)
But still, we all know how that went. Don Nelson took Avery's lunch money.
In 2011, I thought LA would beat the Mavs. Nobody could have guessed the Mavs would sweep prime Kobe and that monster supporting cast.
I don't see the Suns having the same dominance as the Spurs of 06 and LA of 2011. The Suns record might be better but the personnel from those old teams are scary.
IMHO, Mavs has a good shot at reaching the finals and winning it. I'm not saying this with confidence though. This Mav team is an enigma to me. They can go all the way to the finals when all things go right, and they can bow out in the first round just as well. I didn't see this in the 2011 team, I saw a team reaching the second round and nothing more. With the 2022 team, everything is in question marks.
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Yeah I don't see how Randle survives another season in NYK. He's just reverted to the mean. Last year was an outlier in efficiency for him.
He's still putting up 20ppg on mediocre efficiency. If he were to buy into the defensive scheme here and dial back his shot attempts to 15 a game like it was 3 years ago he'd fit in pretty well as the starting 4.
I think Randle would be more of a 5 for us...especially with the small ball. He has a really good skill set..as 1 option he is overwhelmed,if he was up for a smaller role he would be ideal in my opinion.. He can rebound, pass, is athletic, mobile enough to switch, decent catch shooter...and plays very good defense when he's committed and doesn't have to carry as much of a load...he's playing the wrong role ...I think his downturn this year also has to do with the fact that the Knicks haven't had a PG all season...Rose hurt + Failure Kemba...the talent is there
(03-16-2022, 03:36 AM)Mikelorenzo Wrote: [ -> ]I think Randle would be more of a 5 for us...especially with the small ball. He has a really good skill set..as 1 option he is overwhelmed,if he was up for a smaller role he would be ideal in my opinion.. He can rebound, pass, is athletic, mobile enough to switch, decent catch shooter...and plays very good defense when he's committed and doesn't have to carry as much of a load...he's playing the wrong role ...I think his downturn this year also has to do with the fact that the Knicks haven't had a PG all season...Rose hurt + Failure Kemba...the talent is there
Pros for Randle coming here as our starting C:
Plays with extreme force
Big body
Great rebounder
Draws fouls
Great assist #s
Has shown to be an efficient scorer
Recent allstar
Wanted pretty badly to come before
Has shown the ability to buy into a defensive mentality
Cons:
Salary
Not a rim protector
Most of his career has been spent not playing good D
All but 1 year of bad 3% and has started shooting more of them
Mostly a post up player
Needs the ball in his hands more than is desirable
Not a good pnr player
Cost to get him in trade
(03-16-2022, 09:14 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Pros for Randle coming here as our starting C:
Plays with extreme force
Big body
Great rebounder
Draws fouls
Great assist #s
Has shown to be an efficient scorer
Recent allstar
Wanted pretty badly to come before
Has shown the ability to buy into a defensive mentality
Cons:
Salary
Not a rim protector
Most of his career has been spent not playing good D
All but 1 year of bad 3% and has started shooting more of them
Mostly a post up player
Needs the ball in his hands more than is desirable
Not a good pnr player
Cost to get him in trade
Yeah, the fit really just isn't there.