(02-06-2022, 09:10 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Idea at Fish.com:
With all of this in mind, here is the three-way trade we believe would be beneficial to all parties involved:
Mavs receive: Buddy Hield, Richaun Holmes
Knicks receive: Jalen Brunson
Kings receive: Tim Hardaway Jr., Maxi Kleber, Mitchell Robinson and the Knicks' 2023 first-round pick acquired from the Mavs in the Kristaps Porzingis trade
Then, if the Mavs end up not thinking they won't end up with Goran Dragic on the buyout market for whatever reason, they could put their TPE (traded player exception) to use by adding more secondary playmaking and bench scoring:
Mavs receive: Kemba Walker
Knicks receive: Mavs' $10.9 TPE and protected future second-round pick
I’m not traditionally a Hield fan, but I like that you are shortening the window for this position to two years instead of THJ’s longer deal. The article mentions Hield lives in Dallas in the off-season. The thing I like about Holmes is he can anchor the C position on nights KP is out much better than Powell or Maxi. I think Holmes is mobile enough to play alongside KP. I would probably keep the proposed NY 2023 and give Sacramento our 2022 pick instead.
This feels a little light. If Hield and THJ are a wash, then this is JB and Maxi for Holmes and you are helping NY offload Kemba’s money in 2022-23. Seems like Dallas would be owed something more.
Looking only at the Dallas part in their trade, it feels awful (at least on-court). We should remove Maxi from the trade (absorbing Holmes into the TPE) and if possible get our pick back while sending the '22 pick for the Kings.
I was into the Kemba stuff until I watched the Knicks game yesterday. He looks done. Can't penetrate and attack the rim anymore, relying only on his streaky jumper. Also, the other night Robinson had 8 blocks, not sure NYK want to part with that.
(02-06-2022, 09:48 AM)aguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ]Looking only at the Dallas part in their trade, it feels awful (at least on-court). We should remove Maxi from the trade (absorbing Holmes into the TPE) and if possible get our pick back while sending the '22 pick for the Kings.
I was into the Kemba stuff until I watched the Knicks game yesterday. He looks done. Can't penetrate and attack the rim anymore, relying only on his streaky jumper. Also, the other night Robinson had 8 blocks, not sure NYK want to part with that.
Horrible trade Brunson is better than incoming players
(02-06-2022, 09:48 AM)aguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ]Looking only at the Dallas part in their trade, it feels awful (at least on-court). We should remove Maxi from the trade (absorbing Holmes into the TPE) and if possible get our pick back while sending the '22 pick for the Kings.
That would be an improvement. I wonder what it would take in addition to THJ/Robinson/Pick to get D. Mitchell back in the deal. Holmes is a sizable upgrade. Mitchell would be a current year downgrade (but maybe not in the long run and will be RFA when his contract is up). As I said, I’m not a Hield guy, but he will be better than THJ for the next few months and has a shorter deal.
That feels better, but why would Sacramento trade away Holmes/Mitchell to basically get THJ, a UFA replacement for Holmes and a pick. Seems light unless they are just desperate to dump Hield.
Was also playing around with something that sends Maxi/Sterling to Washington for Bertans. The compensation to Dallas for taking on that contract would be Avdija.
Avdija is a plus defender from the SF spot and is a secondary creator. Bertans is WAY overpaid, but would add some spacing to the bench unit which would open up Powell’s roll game some more. This was more of a conspiracy theory trade trying to figure out a reason for Maxi and Sterling being out of the lineup right now. I’m probably a bigger fan of Avdija’s potential than most.
(02-06-2022, 10:26 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]This was more of a conspiracy theory trade trying to figure out a reason for Maxi and Sterling being out of the lineup right now.
I appreciate your conspiracy theory trades, because the circumstances with those two are certainly suspicious this time of year. And even though we've been conditioned to expect KP injuries, I think you might need to add him to the list.
San Antonio has a bunch of vets a rebuilding team doesn't really need. Popovich only needs 6 wins to become coach with most wins in regular season all time - something they can likely reach even if they trade away half of team.
THJ and Green can bring back up to 30 mil of salaries, so any two man combination of White, McDermott and Young. Add FRP for White options. If we add Maxi and Burke, we can get all three of them.
White is big enough to be inserted in the starting line-up with Brunson and Luka. McDermott provides shooting we need. Young is the PF this team needs besides Maxi.
(02-06-2022, 10:17 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]That would be an improvement. I wonder what it would take in addition to THJ/Robinson/Pick to get D. Mitchell back in the deal. Holmes is a sizable upgrade. Mitchell would be a current year downgrade (but maybe not in the long run and will be RFA when his contract is up). As I said, I’m not a Hield guy, but he will be better than THJ for the next few months and has a shorter deal.
That feels better, but why would Sacramento trade away Holmes/Mitchell to basically get THJ, a UFA replacement for Holmes and a pick. Seems light unless they are just desperate to dump Hield.
To get Holmes and Mitchell....I would gladly take on Hield (who might flourish in Dallas) and lose JB (if he wants out). I think the 3some of Holmes, Maxi (not Powell), and KP could be good at the 4/5 spot and would give us a nice KP injury replacement. No huge need for Powell. I do not see why SAC would trade Mitchell. I think Mitchell is a superior prospect to Green but Green is definitely showing some positive signs. Would you throw in Green or Powell to SAC and would that be enough? Green gives them a nice prospect and Powell gives them good character, hard work and some insurance as Robinson seems a bit injury prone.
I would consider doing this even if JB indicated he would stay......but I am a huge Mitchell fan and I think Holmes would be great running the PnR with Luka.
(02-06-2022, 09:10 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Idea at Fish.com:
With all of this in mind, here is the three-way trade we believe would be beneficial to all parties involved:
Mavs receive: Buddy Hield, Richaun Holmes
Knicks receive: Jalen Brunson
Kings receive: Tim Hardaway Jr., Maxi Kleber, Mitchell Robinson and the Knicks' 2023 first-round pick acquired from the Mavs in the Kristaps Porzingis trade
Then, if the Mavs end up not thinking they won't end up with Goran Dragic on the buyout market for whatever reason, they could put their TPE (traded player exception) to use by adding more secondary playmaking and bench scoring:
Mavs receive: Kemba Walker
Knicks receive: Mavs' $10.9 TPE and protected future second-round pick
I’m not traditionally a Hield fan, but I like that you are shortening the window for this position to two years instead of THJ’s longer deal. The article mentions Hield lives in Dallas in the off-season. The thing I like about Holmes is he can anchor the C position on nights KP is out much better than Powell or Maxi. I think Holmes is mobile enough to play alongside KP. I would probably keep the proposed NY 2023 and give Sacramento our 2022 pick instead.
This feels a little light. If Hield and THJ are a wash, then this is JB and Maxi for Holmes and you are helping NY offload Kemba’s money in 2022-23. Seems like Dallas would be owed something more.
I could not think of a trade that more screams "we fucked up" last offseason. We could have let THJ go and signed Holmes ourselves. We would have had roughly 20 mil in cap left and could have probably sent a small asset to take on that terrible Hield contract. Instead we are sending out Brunson and Maxi for the same end result.
This trade is also doubling down on all the mistakes we made in the offseason. we have a coach that wants to focus on defense and ball movement, so lets make our big free agency get a guy who does not move the ball or play defense. Now we want to cash in our only assets for another player that does not move the ball and plays even worse defense than THJ (seriously, he is terrible). On top of that we are trading our only quality playmaker outside of Luka for the broken down Kemba (who is also a worse defender than Brunson). I guess we are adding defense by bringing in Holmes, but that is counteracted by his questionable fit with KP and the fact that we are sending out our best defensive player.
On top of all of that, if we are going to do a three way trade that involves our 23 pick going somewhere else, we should swap it for our unprotected 22. That way we actually have access to our picks way sooner than otherwise.
(02-06-2022, 10:26 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]This was more of a conspiracy theory trade trying to figure out a reason for Maxi and Sterling being out of the lineup right now.
If you want conspiracies, check out today's injury report.
https://twitter.com/bobbykaralla/status/...4949567494
In an interesting coincidence, KP/Kleber/Brown for Collins/Gallinari/Williams is an even trade financially. With Williams expiring and only $5mm guaranteed next year for Gallinari, that could save Dallas huge money to apply towards Brunson and DFS. And maybe they could also bring back Gallo on a more reasonable amount.
(02-06-2022, 02:01 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I could not think of a trade that more screams "we fucked up" last offseason. We could have let THJ go and signed Holmes ourselves. We would have had roughly 20 mil in cap left and could have probably sent a small asset to take on that terrible Hield contract. Instead we are sending out Brunson and Maxi for the same end result.
Since the Mavericks did not (seem to) have interest in the steps you point out above back then, I'd say it's fairly safe to assume they wouldn't be interested in this deal now.
I like Holmes, but I have 0 interest in pairing him with KP. None. This recent streak of improved play has coincided with not playing two centers at once, and for the life of me I can't imagine why anyone would want to go back to that.
If trading KP is in the near future, then we can start talking about Holmes again. That's how I see it, anyway.
(02-06-2022, 09:48 AM)aguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ]Looking only at the Dallas part in their trade, it feels awful (at least on-court). We should remove Maxi from the trade (absorbing Holmes into the TPE) and if possible get our pick back while sending the '22 pick for the Kings.
I was into the Kemba stuff until I watched the Knicks game yesterday. He looks done. Can't penetrate and attack the rim anymore, relying only on his streaky jumper. Also, the other night Robinson had 8 blocks, not sure NYK want to part with that.
Can't absorb Holmes into the TPE. His salary is too high. Agree with the rest. If we are going to trade with Kings, I would rather just do KP for Holmes and Barnes. I have zero interest in Hield.
(02-06-2022, 02:03 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]If you want conspiracies, check out today's injury report.
https://twitter.com/bobbykaralla/status/...4949567494
In an interesting coincidence, KP/Kleber/Brown for Collins/Gallinari/Williams is an even trade financially. With Williams expiring and only $5mm guaranteed next year for Gallinari, that could save Dallas huge money to apply towards Brunson, DFS, and/or others.
I don't think it's a stretch to wonder whether those specific players are being held out because of the upcoming trade deadline, at least in part. In fact, I think it's probably likely for some of them, especially those specific ATL players.
I think trying to connect these two specific teams in some deal might be a stretch though.
(02-06-2022, 02:03 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]In an interesting coincidence, KP/Kleber/Brown for Collins/Gallinari/Williams is an even trade financially. With Williams expiring and only $5mm guaranteed next year for Gallinari, that could save Dallas huge money to apply towards Brunson and DFS. And maybe they could also bring back Gallo on a more reasonable amount.
It definitely is interesting, but I doubt it works for Atlanta. If we assume they are getting rid of Gallo, they are adding over 20 mil to their payroll for next season. I am also not sure what KP brings that Collins doesn't. He is better shooter and roller and they already have the ring protector in Capella.
(02-06-2022, 02:13 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Remember...
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RIP Zach Randolph Mavs era
I've soured on Grant a lot in the last few weeks. In no way do I think he's worth Brunson, especially because he's seeking a contract extension in excess of 100mil and doesn't want to be relegated to a 4th option.
(02-06-2022, 03:16 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]A very good franchise would pull off something like:
NY: Brunson
Detroit: THJ, Mavs 2022, Robinson
Portland: Maxi, Powell, Mavs 2024
Dallas: Grant, McCullom, Mavs 2023
NY: Brunson
Cha: Robinson
Dal: PJ, 2023 Mavs pick
I would be quite disappointed in our GM in both cases.
(02-06-2022, 02:03 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]In an interesting coincidence, KP/Kleber/Brown for Collins/Gallinari/Williams is an even trade financially. With Williams expiring and only $5mm guaranteed next year for Gallinari, that could save Dallas huge money to apply towards Brunson and DFS. And maybe they could also bring back Gallo on a more reasonable amount.
That is an interesting deal. We can watch tonight to see if players do more talking with their mouths covered than usual.
As you know, Collins is a Schwartz guy and I pointed out a few weeks ago that Gallinari’s guy is Michael Tellem, who recently switched to Excel. This leaves us still $10.5 under the tax which is similar to the TPE, which doesn’t have to be used for this deal. We’d be hurting for rim protection whether you start Powell next to Collins or start Collins as the lone big with DFS, Luka, RB and JB. That flexibility would be kind of fun if you had Powell off the bench and more of a shot blocker in the starting lineup.
This probably adds to summer flexibility as Gallinari could be flipped as a larger expiring deal. I think the deal is relatively balanced. I don’t know that KP is going to be any happier in ATL, but we know for sure that Collins isn’t happy. Maxi fits well at PF next to the centers they have. Brown probably fills a need as well. The biggest thing is the money difference between KP and Collins if I’m Atlanta.