Notice the self-serving game Bob is playing:
"Either couldn't pull of a deal - or couldn't convince the powers that be to make the deal."
Bob: I think we should trade KP for Covington.
Donnie: LOL. STFU. No.
Bob: What about Burke and our pick for Haliburton?
Donnie: Go for it and let me know how that works out.
Bob: Well, Sacramento hung up. Their loss. So let's take Green and try to trade him for Bridges.
Donnie: Whatever. Fine. At least we'll get Green.
Bob in 2021: "Covington, Haliburton, Bridges. The ones that got away. If only people listened to me!"
The more I hear from Voulgaris, the more I'm 100% convinced that he really is a narcissistic man-child and the team did the right thing to let him go.
Yeah, when do you see former NBA front office folks arguing on Twitter about their roster decisions?
Loves the sound of his own voice a bit too much for me. Glad he's gone.
(10-17-2021, 05:18 PM)Jannemann2 Wrote: [ -> ]Tony Ronzone maybe?
IF...IF...what I have read on here is true about Ronzone...maybe he was the guy who discovered Luka. If Ronzone had Luka 2nd on his Big Board doesnt erase who discovered Luka, imo. And...If he touted the pick has his own when he wanted someone else...that still doesnt erase that he might have discovered Luka. I wouldnt go praising myself if I discovered someone but wanted another player higher in the draft if it was my choice to make the pick....but regardless...if Ronzone discovered Luka...he discovered Luka.
I am only defending Ronzone here because I have read on here that Ronzone was the guy that was doing all the International work...the TRUE Donnie Nelson. Not discrediting Nelson if he was one of the first guys to be looking overseas...but I have read on here and IF TRUE that Ronzone was the real guy doing work overseas.
Luka has said he has known Donnie since 13...I dont know why he would say Donnie instead of Ronzone though. Maybe Donnie did discover Luka...but then the Vegas Bob tweet doesnt make sense.
And...My comment is if Ronzone is the person Bob is referring to.
(10-18-2021, 10:18 AM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, when do you see former NBA front office folks arguing on Twitter about their roster decisions?
Quick question. Are non disclosure agreements a thing in the NBA?
(10-18-2021, 01:37 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Quick question. Are non disclosure agreements a thing in the NBA?
Don't know, but seems like a good idea.
Hey, can we MFFLs get Cubes to sign a non-disclosure agreement that is in force while he's still owner?
(10-17-2021, 07:24 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Really don't think Bob's talent eval was a problem and honestly not sure he was anything more than a scapegoat in all this. Seems the falling out was much more between Donnie and Cuban than anything else. Just my guess.
I think you're right about the heart of the matter (Donnie vs Cuban), but the plain fact that Voulgaris participated in the twitter conversation above supports the idea that he's a terribly unprofessional person, no? THAT's what the article was about, really, and I think he's proving it day by day.
I'm not a huge Donnie fan, but I can't help but notice that he was good enough to sail into the sunset without flinging mud at everyone. Call me old-fashioned, but that certainly does count for something in my book.
I'd trust Bob's Tweets a lot more if he sprinkled in some of his losers.
My take on Bob is that he seems socially, relationally awkward, unaware or immature. He's not the first super smart guy to struggle in that department. Funny thing is, I've always considered Cuban to come across like too.
(10-18-2021, 02:40 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I can't help but notice that he was good enough to sail into the sunset without flinging mud at everyone
Except my read is the whole Tim Cato article WAS Donnie flinging mud on his way out....
(10-18-2021, 03:46 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]I'd trust Bob's Tweets a lot more if he sprinkled in some of his losers.
Losers? Notice that he hasn't even bothered to list a single accomplishment that would qualify as a winner. The only concrete personal positions he's even hinted at are liking Green over Bey and wanting to sign Kemba. The rest are all attacks on former coworkers and taking credit for theoretical acquisitions that never happened.
Personally I think his latest Twitter rant just comes across as childish and insecure.
(10-18-2021, 04:09 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Except my read is the whole Tim Cato article WAS Donnie flinging mud on his way out....
Well, I take a little issue with the "on the way out" part - I think the article is what caused all of this to come to a head. But, you make a pretty valid point here, actually.
However, I don't think it makes Bob look any better (realizing that I started the comparative process myself).
(10-17-2021, 05:18 PM)Jannemann2 Wrote: [ -> ]Tony Ronzone maybe?
Ronzone, Cuban and Finley are all options here, although non 100% fit the description.
Ronzone is fired, so kind off mute to call him out.
Cuban is the owner who brags a lot, but he gave credit to Donnie tbf.
Finley is the only guy who survived the whole mess, gave himself credit for creating draft board for the Mavs before, so he makes sense to be the guy whom Bob attacks. He has Cuban ears back then snd now. That said I don't remember he ever talked about drafting Luka
(10-18-2021, 10:18 AM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, when do you see former NBA front office folks arguing on Twitter about their roster decisions?
Tbf Bob is internet guy from the start, making a name as gambler, he was never a conventional front office guy.
He shut up during his tenure until that article too.
What he said isn't bad tbh, a little dig on Cuban but nothing new, praise for RC , Luka and not a bad thing on Donnie.
He was attacked for Green over Bey selection, he responded that it is indeed his choices , said he advocated for other players and named them, and then said there are others who didn't succeed.
Doesn't sound too bad: I liked some players, some were success and other were failures, the one guy they decided to listen to me was failure, not 1st or biggest failure from the Mavs
I mean no one likes to be judged by one decision
Mav’s Moneyball has an article out with Four Players to Watch for possible Mav transactions. The names are PJ Washington, Satoransky, Murray and Bagley. I love the idea of PJ Washington as a younger two way big. The article (most of which is below) seems to think Charlotte will run out of money before they pay PJW. It is a Mav. MO to acquire players before they hit free agency to hold their rights. As much as I like the idea, I think the odds of getting Washington would be greater in the summer.
I don’t think Murray is realistic and don’t particularly see Bagley here (though WCS + Burke is just barely a trade match). Satoransky seems most logical to me. He fits our TPE and would be a much better use of money than Burke if NO falls into the bottom end of the west. As I’ve looked at the TPE, Satoransky has been my favorite thought as a TPE deadline deal. Here’s the article:
PJ Washington
Washington is tricky. Charlotte is in an interesting spot where they are still a young team, yet they have a franchise cornerstone piece who is good enough to make them competitive in the East. Because of that pressure to remain competitive moving forward, they must be careful with where they commit their money long-term. After signing Terry Rozier to a 4-year, $97 million contract extension, Miles Bridges is now entering the final year of his contract where he is eligible for a 5-year, $173 million extension. At the end of this season, Washington will be eligible for a 5-year, $181 million extension, and we haven’t even discussed Lamelo Ball.
Money is a very important factor, especially when discussing a franchise that wouldn’t offer Kemba Walker a max contract after averaging 25.6 points, 5.9 assists, and 4.4 rebounds per game and making the All-Star team. Washington was criticized for having a “sophomore slump” last year, meanwhile Bridges continued to build chemistry with Ball and showed flashes of a guy ready to take that next step. The DFW native averaged 13 points, 6.5 rebounds, 2.5 assists, and 1.5 blocks in 30.5 minutes per game in his second year with the Hornets. Per the Charlotte Observer, Washington is expected to come off the bench to start the season. If he has an inconsistent season and fails to set himself apart as a key piece of this core moving forward, the Mavericks would be wise to put an offer together.
Tomas Satoransky
I can hear Mavs fans groaning in response since this isn’t the sexiest name out there. Obviously, there is still a certain Slovenian who’s currently freezing his tail off in Toronto that remains high on Dallas’ list, but at the end of the day, you have to have more than one option.
Satoransky is a 6’7” guard who plays strong defense and could be the secondary playmaker that helps take the load off Luka. To quantify his defensive capabilities, his defensive rating last year was 110.1 while Mikal Bridges, Bam Adebayo, and Dillon Brooks had ratings of 110.0, 109.6, and 109.4, respectively. Last season, Satoransky averaged 7.7 points, 4.7 assists, and 2.4 rebounds in 22.5 minutes per game off the bench. The year before that, he averaged 10 points, 5.4 assists, 4 rebounds, and 1 steal in 29 minutes per game as a starter. After being acquired in the sign-and-trade deal for Lonzo Ball, the Pelicans went out and signed Devonte Graham to a 4-year, $47 million deal, leaving Satoransky’s role uncertain as they are not looked at as the most complimentary backcourt duo. Satoransky is in the final year of his contract, which would make this a low-risk, sneaky acquisition for the Mavs.
Dejounte Murray
Murray is the most valuable player in this group, making him the least likely acquisition. However, with rumors heating up today that Gregg Popovich is expected to retire within the next two years, he may look to continue to set up their long-term future. The Spurs took 18-year-old point guard, Josh Primo in this year’s draft, which sets their timeline back even further.
San Antonio should finish at the bottom of the Western conference this season after moving on from 4x All-Star, Demar Derozan. Murray is a defensive-oriented guard who’s ready to win now, and after it was rumored this past offseason that the Spurs were listening to offers for him and Derrick White, it’s not unreasonable to expect him to be moved in the future. Last year, Murray averaged 15.7 points, 7.1 rebounds, 5.4 assists, and 1.5 steals per game. This is yet another season where there will be more buyers than sellers, so the Mavericks will have to outbid several teams for a player like Murray. It’s also worth mentioning that the Spurs will most likely wait until after the Ben Simmons situation has played out before pulling the trigger on a trade for Murray.
Although there are many dominoes that would have to fall in Dallas’ favor, one can’t help but get excited at the possibility of having a backcourt duo with an average height of 6”5.
Marvin Bagley III
As of right now, Bagley is as risky as it gets (so risky he might not get an extension). He’s battled injuries since entering the league (playing in only 48 percent of games) and has indicated that he already wants out after only three seasons in Sacramento. Recently, he’s shown signs of enthusiasm as he’s continued to work with assistant coach Doug Christie in preparation of the regular season, but things could change as time goes on if the Kings underperform. Bagley is not the ideal candidate to play next to Porzingis from a defensive standpoint. I’ve been very vocal about the Mavs needing to prioritize adding a big man in the near future that can guard opposing fives and allow Porzingis to play the four as he wishes. Bagley is not that guy, but he is an exciting young prospect.
In 25 minutes per game last year, he averaged 14 points and 7.4 rebounds while shooting 34 percent on 2.5 three-point attempts per game. His per 36 stats are 19.7 points, 13.7 rebounds, and 1 block per game. At only 22-years-old, he has shown flashes on the offensive end and as an occasional shot-blocker. His defensive rating last season was 117.3, so he has a lot of work to do on that end of the floor. He needs to improve his overall consistency as a defender to take his game to the next level. Trading for Bagley would be a high risk, potentially high reward move and having two big men with significant injury history is a tough sell, but if Dallas is looking to take a cheap gamble, Bagley could be worth the risk in the long-term.
It’s a long season and there’s much that could happen in the coming weeks and months. These are just four scenarios to monitor and with the Mavericks perhaps ready to make the leap to true contender status, any player who might be able to improve the roster should get a long look by all Dallas fans.
(10-18-2021, 10:27 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Tomas Satoransky
Dejounte Murray
Give me either in a heartbeat.
Man, I'd absolutely love to get Murray. I have no idea what we'd have to give up, though.
(10-18-2021, 10:27 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]As I’ve looked at the TPE, Satoransky has been my favorite thought as a TPE deadline deal.
I am not really a fan of this move when thinking for trading for him. It would cost us an asset as NO has little incentive to just give him to us, based on his expiring contract. NO is not near the tax line to have real motivation to gift him to someone. Since he is expiring and I see little chance for Mavs to resign him after the season due to tax, I think it would not make sense to spend assets on him for a couple of months rental. I rather wait for the buyout market. If NO will not be good, it is probably realistic he will be cut to be given a chance to play for a contender. If not him, than perhaps someone else, like a certain Slovenian.
(10-18-2021, 11:30 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]Man, I'd absolutely love to get Murray. I have no idea what we'd have to give up, though.
Assuming Murray plays similar to last season, I think a good comparison for his price tag is Aaron Gordon. It cost Denver an expiring contract, young player with potentialy high upside (RJ Hampton) and lightly protected first round pick (protection 1-5). RJ Hampton was always a low floor high ceiling guy so it makes a lot of sense for a rebuilding team to take a shot with him. Mavs could match that offer with Kleber, Green and WCS package, plus 2025 or 2027 pick. It would be nice to showcase Green, though, to build up his value. However, the move would limit Mavs possibility to go for the third star. Murray is a great defender and can handle the ball, but he only shot 31 % from three. If he gets that to league average he is a star, if the stays at 31 % he is a risk, imho. In that case, I am not sure he is the one move to spend assets on.
I know you have to keep an eye out for upgrades, but I'm having trouble understanding how any of these guys improve the team. At least right now, on the doorstep of a new season.
That said, where is the weakest link in the current team? In the starting 5? In the next 5?
IMO, DFS is a little bit of a question mark. Defense is pretty good, but not shooting well in the preseason.
KP is showing flashes of his pre-injury self.
DP seems to have most (all?) of his athleticism back and is hinting at having a 3pt shot.
THJ seems to be his reliable self.
Luka = Luka + ?
JB, Bullard, Brown, WCS, Maxi all have roles to fill to different degrees that we hope will work out.
I'm just trying to figure out where one of the above four fits in a rotation spot. Otherwise, why go to the trouble.
(10-19-2021, 09:38 AM)michaeltex Wrote: [ -> ]I'm just trying to figure out where one of the above four fits in a rotation spot. Otherwise, why go to the trouble.
Great question.
I think Murray instantly becomes a starter alongside Luka in the backcourt. His defense and ability to create would be a perfect complement to Luka...just needs to get the three point shot ironed out.
I think Tomas would be an instant upgrade to Trey Burke.