All this roster talk makes me remember that there's still this idea of adding Dragic down the road.
Really worried about the French Prince....
The Mavs have/had until Monday to make a decision on Moses and Chriss. Is there a reason they acted on Moses today instead of Monday? Can you trade a player on a non-guaranteed contract?
(01-07-2022, 02:10 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]All this roster talk makes me remember that there's still this idea of adding Dragic down the road.
Really worried about the French Prince....
I have been out on that for a while now. The old Mavs would have been all over it even if it costs them future assets. I hope that the new regime comes with new deadline ideas. Say no to veteran rentals.
(01-07-2022, 02:08 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Willie for DJ works straight up, but, you could also structure the deal to bring DJ in as part of the TPE. Normally you can't aggregate UNLESS the player was acquired using cap space. What I'm wondering is whether the TPE counts as "cap space". It was created because of cap space, but isn't technically cap space. The benefit, if this works, is you could combine DJ with other players before the TDL and he brings back up to $12mm. So, instead of Willie as a trade chip, you could have DJ as a trade chip.
Doesn't help with Chriss, but MIGHT be a way to make the Willie "chip" more valuable. I'm just to busy/lazy to research it.
Not sure about whether a player acquired via TPE can be added to other pieces in an outgoing trade, but WCS + Burke (7.2mil) could bring a player making 12.2mil back…is there anyone that fits this salary where the team acquiring WCS/Burke would look to save $5mil this season? (And potentially up to 8.1mil next season?) This would be a quick 2-for-1 deal that would free up a roster spot for TDL/Chriss
Just have to pause and say:
@"DanSchwartzgan" it is so great to have you posting more again! Really appreciate the conversations you get going!
(01-07-2022, 02:12 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]I have been out on that for a while now. The old Mavs would have been all over it even if it costs them future assets. I hope that the new regime comes with new deadline ideas. Say no to veteran rentals.
Oh I agree, just wonder how much Luka will still push for it.
(01-07-2022, 01:58 PM)MaxiThreeba Wrote: [ -> ]Would the Knicks (or the Mavs) look at a deal of Burke/WCS for Kemba. Gives the Knicks a healthy PG option they are familiar with and WCS is expiring.
Mavs take on a bigger contract and a big injury risk and stick him in the 6th man role. They also open up a roster spot and sign Chriss.
I don't know how hurt Kemba really is and how much the Knicks value him.
Maybe nothing here but the money works and Kemba and Powell give you some expiring contract ammo next year.
Standard it's not my money caveat and this just further complicates Cubes avoiding the Tax.
Mentioned this earlier as an option if Cuban is willing to pay the tax. If the tax isn´t an issue expiring contracts (WCS, Burke) and the TPE turn into valuable trade assets.
(01-07-2022, 02:12 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]I have been out on that for a while now. The old Mavs would have been all over it even if it costs them future assets. I hope that the new regime comes with new deadline ideas. Say no to veteran rentals.
If the team is really as bad as it looked during the first 2/3 of the season, I completely agree. If they are actually closer to how they've looked lately, I could see it still being a desirable move in some ways.
(01-07-2022, 02:20 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]expiring contracts (WCS, Burke)
The sheet on page one of this thread indicated that Burke has a PO. Is that accurate?
(01-07-2022, 02:08 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]My educated guess is that they let Chriss go after his 2nd 10-day is up while making it clear to him that they'd love to have him back as soon as they have an open roster spot. He may get another 10-day contract somewhere else, but I think the chance of someone scooping him up with a guaranteed deal is still pretty low. So by the trade deadline he'll be back.
This makes some since. Since they brought Chriss in for a workout 2-1/2 weeks prior to the start of H&S 10-days. And told him then that they liked him but did not have a roster spot at the time. But hay, with Kidd now in H&S protocol, maybe another player will be entering the protocol this weekend. Can Chriss get a 3rd 10-day contract?
(01-07-2022, 02:21 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]If the team is really as bad as it looked during the first 2/3 of the season, I completely agree. If they are actually closer to how they've looked lately, I could see it still being a desirable move in some ways.
The sheet on page one of this thread indicated that Burke has a PO. Is that accurate?
Yes. Might need to add some cash to pay for a potential buyout/waive.
(01-07-2022, 01:34 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Brown has guaranteed money next year
Pretty sure his contract is non-guaranteed next year. I'm guessing we are just keeping him as TDL filler. I don't think he's a rotational player in the NBA. I also wouldn't lose much sleep if Chriss is let go. Same for Frank to a lesser extent. These are fringe NBA players.
(01-07-2022, 02:26 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Pretty sure his contract is non-guaranteed next year. I'm guessing we are just keeping him as TDL filler. I don't think he's a rotational player in the NBA. I also wouldn't lose much sleep if Chriss is let go. Same for Frank to a lesser extent. These are fringe NBA players.
Sorry, we were talking about SBrown for that part. It's confusing, I know. I forgot to add the "S."
(01-07-2022, 02:08 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Here is the interesting possibility (need cap help here). Willie for DJ works straight up, but, you could also structure the deal to bring DJ in as part of the TPE. Normally you can't aggregate UNLESS the player was acquired using cap space. What I'm wondering is whether the TPE counts as "cap space". It was created because of cap space, but isn't technically cap space. The benefit, if this works, is you could combine DJ with other players before the TDL and he brings back up to $12mm. So, instead of Willie as a trade chip, you could have DJ as a trade chip.
Here's the relevant passage from Larry Coon:
Quote:For two months after receiving the player in trade, if the trade aggregates the player's salary with the salaries of other players. However, the team is free to trade the player immediately, either by himself or without aggregating his salary with other salaries. This restriction applies only to players who were acquired using an exception (and not cap room).
The way he phrases it, I would interpret the Traded Player Exception counting as an exception that would instigate the two-month trade restriction. But I agree that there's a little bit of ambiguity there.
3 not-quite-connected notes on some discussions here
1 Waiving WCS (or not) isn't likely to be an issue of the money. Well, it shouldn't be, at least. It's "sunk cost" at this point (ie, the money is spent already, no matter what you do) so the determining factor only needs to be whether WCS has future value to the Mavs in some way (either on the court, or in trade), and if so, how much.
2 In most cases, looking for another team to "take out the trash" for you (ie, swap for your junk, so you can do something else with the roster spot and money) is a complete waste of time. They want your good stuff, not your junk, and they usually need more roster slots just like you do.
3 The Simmons-to-Dallas trade proposals being made here make no sense to me. He wants to be THE ball handler, where he goes. But I cant imagine the Mavs taking the ball out of Luka's hands, and we've already seen in Philly what happens when he's an unhappy camper. Playing him off the ball, with no shot, that doesn't work either, and we've already seen his (lack of) desire to fix that. Then you're paying a monstrous amount of your payroll for this? Plus giving up multiple players who do have value to you?
His defense would be helpful, but the rest of what he would bring is such a non-starter for the Mavs.
(01-07-2022, 02:26 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Pretty sure his contract is non-guaranteed next year. I'm guessing we are just keeping him as TDL filler. I don't think he's a rotational player in the NBA. I also wouldn't lose much sleep if Chriss is let go. Same for Frank to a lesser extent. These are fringe NBA players.
Still think Frank has a legit chance to be a rotational player. Don't see him in the same class as Brown/Chriss/WCS.
(01-07-2022, 02:46 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]3 The Simmons-to-Dallas trade proposals being made here make no sense to me. He wants to be THE ball handler, where he goes. But I cant imagine the Mavs taking the ball out of Luka's hands, and we've already seen in Philly what happens when he's an unhappy camper. Playing him off the ball, with no shot, that doesn't work either, and we've already seen his (lack of) desire to fix that. Then you're paying a monstrous amount of your payroll for this? Plus giving up multiple players who do have value to you?
My impossible, won't happen scenario would be to convince him to come here to be the center and secondary ball handler.
(01-07-2022, 02:46 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]He wants to be THE ball handler, where he goes
I think the overall post is full of good, helpful logic.
And IF this quoted portion is true, then I agree, Simmons isn't an option. It might very well be the case, but do we know for sure?