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(05-09-2022, 12:53 PM)Jakeospikez Wrote: [ -> ]Instead of trying to trade Brunson, what about trading Dinwiddie? Knicks

Brunson is a FA. He decides where he wants to go. And if he decides he wants to be elsewhere, SnT is the only hope to get at least some value back. 

Dinwiddie to Knicks is an interesting idea. He has been great in regular season but not really good in playoffs. He doesn't seem to have a great technique, more relying on a straight line drive and his shot is average. He can move the ball when defense scrambles but I haven't seen him create much for others. 

I don't want Randle or Fournier, but I would be intrigued with any other contract they have (Burks, Noel, Kemba and Rose are all expiring) if we can get additional asset in FRP or young player. I doubt Knicks would ruin their long term flexibility though.

(05-09-2022, 01:55 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Brunson is a FA. He decides where he wants to go. And if he decides he wants to be elsewhere, SnT is the only hope to get at least some value back. 

Brunson is a FA.  But there has been no hint internally that he wants to go, no hint that Cuban wont pay him, and no hint or reason he would want to go to the Wiz.  I'm all for rosterbating, but it does seem strange how much time folks are spending on coming up with crappy S&T trades for a guy that is likely staying here.

(05-09-2022, 01:46 PM)michaeltex Wrote: [ -> ]No, but he was pretty much down across the board from last season.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/pla...l#per_game

Question is whether he is still worth an average of $29MM over the next 4 seasons. I like him as a player, but not sure how he fits with Kidd's offense. 

I'm still gun shy about taking on that much salary without answering some questions.

Yep agreed. It's a lot of money. I'm not saying it's the right move, just a possibility. I'm just happy the trade market for bigs looks really healthy this offseason. Something will get done and there's enough supply out there to find a good deal. Whatever big they get will probably tell us a lot on what their ideal type is for Kidd's system.

(05-09-2022, 01:39 PM)michaeltex Wrote: [ -> ]Maxi and DP both bring unique skill sets that help DAL win games. Trading one (or both) away affects the team versatility. 

Maxi gives you some rim protection, help defense and an ability to pull his defender away due to his 3pt shooting.
DP provides energy, rim running, PnR partner for LD.

We just need to be careful about giving one of these roles up without a replacement.

Hasn't the goal been to find the fusion of these 2 players for the past few years.

(05-09-2022, 02:15 PM)Jakeospikez Wrote: [ -> ]Hasn't the goal been to find the fusion of these 2 players for the past few years.

Sure, if we could find someone like the last two MVP winners, Jokic and Giannis. But I think we actually want one or the other, DP or Maxi, with improved defensive ability.

DP is a rim runner, he's not going be effective setting up outside the arc for a Luka pass. Similarly, a 3pt specialist like Maxi isn't going to give an offensive lane presence typical of a big. That's not complementary to Luka's game.

Based on recent performance, I don't worry about big-on-big defense as DAL seems to have a handle on how to deal with that. They have reduced both Ayton and Gobert to minimal factors in these playoffs. Did it with LAC's center last two years as well.

A little more rim protection when the perimeter defense breaks down would be nice.

Seems like there should be an upgrade somewhere, even to depth, Dal could get without breaking the bank.

(05-09-2022, 12:47 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]Why are we worried about powell/brown/burke/boban?  They are a one year problem.  Any one of them can be waived next year at no future cost if we need the roster spot.

If we are really concerned with salary construction then turn THJ into a starting center (and add the pick if you have to) and stretch waive Bertans.  After next year we will have Din and a little over 5 mil for Bertans hitting the books.  Almost clean slate in one season.

I'm not worried about them.  I think those are the roster spots that are an avenue to improvement, along with potentially THJ.

The 3 B's may actually be useful along with Powell and Green/Pick because that's a lot of expiring money for someone looking to get out of a multi year commitment.  I just don't know if that player exists and/or makes sense for the Mavs.

I would hope Cuban would be willing to cut any of the 3 B's to pick up the roster spot if/when it's needed...and they already showed they would do that this season with the 4th B.

The salary construction is also entirely dependent on Cuban's willingness to pay LT.  If his comments about LT hell for a year are an indicator then they already have their off ramp plans in place for 2023-24.

(05-09-2022, 02:59 PM)MaxiThreeba Wrote: [ -> ]I would hope Cuban would be willing to cut any of the 3 B's to pick up the roster spot if/when it's needed...and they already showed they would do that this season with the 4th B.

My final move of the offseason would be to dump Burke and Brown if they are still on the roster for two vets that can contribute in the playoffs. Dragic and someone like Ingles, Ibaka or one of many vet centers (Lopez, Cousins, Dieng, Dedmon,...). Vet leaders and ring chasers.

(05-09-2022, 12:44 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I would. I would try to avoid trading DFS to get him, but I personally pull that trigger. I think Kidd/Nico are going to have success finding 3&D players, so I think DFS is more easily replaceable than someone like JC.

(05-09-2022, 01:29 PM)Jakeospikez Wrote: [ -> ]Maxi to me is a great help defender but just an alright 1 on 1 defender.

Sorry, but I bevlieve this to be flat-out wrong. I have not checked any metrics but the eye-test screams at me that Maxi is a GREAT 1- on 1 defender.

He is strong, he is quick, he can guard 1-5. Sure, someony like Gobert shoves him around and someone like Ja will just blow by him but these are terrible matchups for anybody. Maxi gives you very solid D against any opponent.

Can anybody confirm this with some numbers?

One nice thing about extended playoff runs, is that they make it clear what your weaknesses are, and your greatest strengths. With the Mavs, oddly enough, both can be described with the same term: 3&D. This team is clearly at its best playing 5-out, when Luka and Brunson can be surrounded by long defenders who can shoot. The flaw is that we simply don't have enough of those guys, and we're having to play DFS, Bullock, and Maxi a lot more minutes than is ideal.

The top priority this offseason is obviously re-signing Brunson. After that, we need a starting center, ideally one who can shoot, but if not, someone who at least does more things in the playoffs than Powell, who is easily made irrelevant. And next, we need another 3&D wing to keep DFS and Bullock from running themselves into the ground. The Batum suggestion earlier was great, if he can be had for the taxpayer MLE. It's nice to hope Green can grow into that role, but we need a proven veteran option in case he doesn't.

A player i'd love the mavs to take a good look at is Germany's Johannes Voigtmann, one of my favorite players on the national team. 
He's already 29 and never made the jump to the NBA, but i wonder how well he could work in our current roster to complement Maxi/Powell. His play reminds a bit of Jokic (on a much lower level of course), has a big body (6-11, ~255), moves pretty well, he can hit the 3 (40%+ from FIBA distance), a good passer and is generally a high IQ player. Not sure how his defence would translate. If he works out, definitely a short term solution due to his age, but also not a project.

He's signed in CSKA Moscow, but left the country after the attack on Ukraine, so his future is currently uncertain. Maybe he has an NBA exit clause that helps him to get out of the contract situation cleanly and we could pick him up around the veteran min (he's estimated to earn around €1m after tax in Russia)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyprPpEM_eM

Voigtmann would be an interesting try, for sure. I think he's the best german big man in a classical sense right now, which says something, if you count Maxi and Theis (who both play very differently but are still considered "bigs").

(05-10-2022, 07:07 AM)meistermatze Wrote: [ -> ]Voigtmann would be an interesting try, for sure. I think he's the best german big man in a classical sense right now, which says something, if you count Maxi and Theis (who both play very differently but are still considered "bigs").

Personally, if we are going after a German big, the top on my list would be Hartenstein.  I doubt we can get him for the tax MLE, but he would be a perfect add to our frontcourt without giving up the pick.

(05-10-2022, 04:13 AM)meistermatze Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry, but I bevlieve this to be flat-out wrong. I have not checked any metrics but the eye-test screams at me that Maxi is a GREAT 1- on 1 defender.

He is strong, he is quick, he can guard 1-5. Sure, someony like Gobert shoves him around and someone like Ja will just blow by him but these are terrible matchups for anybody. Maxi gives you very solid D against any opponent.

Can anybody confirm this with some numbers?

Great is a very strong word. I just go off my eye test here too, there's stats based on the nearest player on nba.com to see how someone did 1 on 1 but I'm not gonna bother. Sure you can blame the apparent injury but he got murdered repeatedly 1 on 1 by Kawhi last playoffs. Powell has looked better 1 on 1 vs Kawhi historically from my memory. Feel free to dispute. He's been looking pretty good to great guarding guys like Booker on the perimeter, especially the last couple games. He is still an undersized 5 though and he's been holding his ground vs Ayton, but it's more like "do what you can to bother him as much as possible, but really you are praying he misses his shot on a moderately contested look." A great defender will make Ayton say, "I can't get a clean look, I need to pass this out to do something better for the team."

That's just how I see it. This team values the perimeter defense way more anyway, he fits great on this team. I'm not gonna let my bias blind the fact that he's an alright to good 1 on 1 defender. More on the good to great side vs smaller guys for a big.

Agree that Maxi has some struggles against power 5s. The whole team does. But the league seems to have evolved to the point that those guys are dinosaurs, driven to extinction by 5-out offense on the other end. And Maxi is pulling his weight in this regard with the timely return of his 3 ball. So in this context, yes, I would call him a great defensive player. One we can’t afford to lose. 

In fact, as the league gets smaller and smaller, I hafta wonder whether Maxi and Doe-Doe might be able to handle most of the 5 minutes next year.

(05-10-2022, 12:21 PM)Jommybone Wrote: [ -> ]Agree that Maxi has some struggles against power 5s. The whole team does. But the league seems to have evolved to the point that those guys are dinosaurs, driven to extinction by 5-out offense on the other end. And Maxi is pulling his weight in this regard with the timely return of his 3 ball. So in this context, yes, I would call him a great defensive player. One we can’t afford to lose. 

In fact, as the league gets smaller and smaller, I hafta wonder whether Maxi and Doe-Doe might be able to handle most of the 5 minutes next year.

Not sure this is strictly on your topic, but...

If the game development of the next 10-15 years keeps in line with that of the past 10-15, a guy like Kleber will eventually be too big, lumbering and slow to get on the court, even in his prime. Teams will be looking for Durant/Giannis type of bodies to man the 5 spot.

Maxi has had more of a positive impact on the game than Gobert and Ayton through 10 games

What more can we ask?

(05-10-2022, 12:58 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]Maxi has had more of a positive impact on the game than Gobert and Ayton through 10 games

What more can we ask?

Personally I think Maxi outplaying Ayton through 4 games of this series is the biggest reason we are in it.  If that trend continues, we have a real chance at this.

(05-10-2022, 11:41 AM)Jakeospikez Wrote: [ -> ]Great is a very strong word. I just go off my eye test here too, there's stats based on the nearest player on nba.com to see how someone did 1 on 1 but I'm not gonna bother. Sure you can blame the apparent injury but he got murdered repeatedly 1 on 1 by Kawhi last playoffs. Powell has looked better 1 on 1 vs Kawhi historically from my memory. Feel free to dispute. He's been looking pretty good to great guarding guys like Booker on the perimeter, especially the last couple games. He is still an undersized 5 though and he's been holding his ground vs Ayton, but it's more like "do what you can to bother him as much as possible, but really you are praying he misses his shot on a moderately contested look." A great defender will make Ayton say, "I can't get a clean look, I need to pass this out to do something better for the team."

That's just how I see it. This team values the perimeter defense way more anyway, he fits great on this team. I'm not gonna let my bias blind the fact that he's an alright to good 1 on 1 defender. More on the good to great side vs smaller guys for a big.

I remember Maxi doing a great job on Kawhi the first year until he hurt his back. Then last year he went into the playoffs with his back being bad. That’s why I’ve been wanting him to not get as many minutes during the season, so he could go into the playoffs ready to go at tip top shape.