(05-05-2022, 12:49 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Their talent level (and advantage, even over the Mavs) isn't as overwhelming as some are making it out to be.
After Luka, you'd be hard pressed to take any Mav starter over a Suns starter, especially based on performance in the series considering how well Crowder has played and how poorly everyone else on our team has played. Even in the most generous case, four of the first five players you'd pick would be Suns. And considering the Mavs have had their doors blown off twice now, I'd lean more towards an overwhelming advantage than the opposite. And that's not even including the disparity in role players with the likes of Johnson, McGee, Payne and Shamet. Suns 3rd string center probably has better numbers in very limited action than our starting center.
My question is how do we mesh Luka's greatness while also letting others shine with the ball? It didn't work with KP. It was probably fault on both sides and time will tell if the trade was for the best in the longrun. Dinwiddie has been good here. Although there are times when he comes in and he doesn't get a chance to create until 3-4 minutes into his run. If we look to upgrade our talent, does that player come here and get put into the same role Jalen, DFS, Maxi, etc play. Or does our offensive grow a little where we aren't solely dependent on a transcendent player.....IE...waiting for Luka to pass the ball to them? Or is that why we need to focus on a player who doesn't need touches (Gobert).
When I think of the perfect fit for Luka, I think he should be someone who covers up his flaws and takes advantage of his strengths... Guys like PGeorge/Siakam/Adebayo/Middleton come to mind strong defenders who don't burn the ball.. but no they need it to be effective...obviously these guys aren't easy to get...personally I'd take a chance on guys like Isaak or Warren (if the medical staff gives the go-ahead), even if it cost us Jalen... Since of those mentioned above, I don't think we can get them
(05-05-2022, 03:20 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]My question is how do we mesh Luka's greatness while also letting others shine with the ball?
Luka and the coaching staff need to buy in and reinvent the offense. Luka is amazing with the ball in his hands and while watching him toy with defenders and defensive schemes is a great show, he just has to exert too much energy to get his. This will wear him down over the course of a game, over the course of a season and over the course of a playoff series. It also prevents other teammates who can create from getting into the game. There is a time and a place for Luka magic, but pounding the air out of the rock every possession just isn't going to work. Further, it's going to be hard for any second star to mesh with Luka if that's all the offense consists of.
Bertans is the perfect example. We should be able to run sets and action to get him 5-6 open looks a game that don't involve Luka driving to the paint and drawing 2 or 3 defenders at a time.
Luka is the team's best passer, scorer, and rebounder one if not 2 of those roles need to be lifted off his shoulders this offseason somehow
Lot of ink has been spilled arguing for guys like Holmes, Collins, Turner but -- connecting roster talk to what we're seeing vs the Suns -- I don't think any of those guys change the outcome of game 1 or 2. Maybe Turner changes things a little but it's not like he's stopping Chris Paul or Devin Booker in the midrange.
Obviously the series isn't over, but if we're talking about building a contender, we're back to where we always land.
What stars are available and how do we get one? Because right now, this is a good team that looks like the fourth best in the west.
Dallas certainly needs to get better play from its bigs but unless Brunson figures out how to start putting up 24 every night this team needs a second star.
Will Brunson get a deal this summer paying $100M or up?
After round 1, that seemed to be the consensus. Some were even calling him a max player.
Now?
If the Mavs can sign him to something like $80-$90M over 5 years, it's probably not a deal they will end up hating. Are we there yet?
(05-05-2022, 05:19 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]Will Brunson get a deal this summer paying $100M or up?
After round 1, that seemed to be the consensus. Some were even calling him a max player.
Now?
If the Mavs can sign him to something like $80-$90M over 5 years, it's probably not a deal they will end up hating. Are we there yet?
Mavs would love that number. I'd be surprised if he doesn't get north $100M. A year after THJ's 4YR deal and certainly JB is more valuable.
(05-05-2022, 04:54 PM)vfromlmf Wrote: [ -> ]Lot of ink has been spilled arguing for guys like Holmes, Collins, Turner but -- connecting roster talk to what we're seeing vs the Suns -- I don't think any of those guys change the outcome of game 1 or 2. Maybe Turner changes things a little but it's not like he's stopping Chris Paul or Devin Booker in the midrange.
DP has been so bad, any of those 3 would have changed the outcome.
And despite JC's lackluster performances during the play-offs, if he is healthy, it would have been different if he was a Mav. If Maxi can produce this much being the stretch 5, imagine what JC would do.
New Orleans is a team that desperately need shooting and has a couple of bad contracts of their own in Graham and Temple. Graham is small, not really good defensively and will never work well next to CJ. Besides, New Orleans have another two small PG on the bench in Lewis and Alvarado. Mavs have THJ and Bertans that would fit much better next to CJ than Graham does. Temple is 35 and seems he has fallen out of rotation. He is only guaranteed for one year though.
Of course Graham and Temple are not players I want, but they might be easier to move to a third team than either THJ or Bertans.
So the questions:
- how much could cost for Mavs to trade Bertans for those two contracts? Would a couple of second rounders do it?
- how much could Mavs get by trading THJ for those contracts? Would protected 2023 FRP be a reality?
I am thinking about something like this:
NO: THJ
Sac: one of Temple or Graham and NO pick
Dal: Holmes and one of Temple or Graham
(05-06-2022, 10:17 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]New Orleans is a team that desperately need shooting and has a couple of bad contracts of their own in Graham and Temple. Graham is small, not really good defensively and will never work well next to CJ. Besides, New Orleans have another two small PG on the bench in Lewis and Alvarado. Mavs have THJ and Bertans that would fit much better next to CJ than Graham does. Temple is 35 and seems he has fallen out of rotation. He is only guaranteed for one year though.
Of course Graham and Temple are not players I want, but they might be easier to move to a third team than either THJ or Bertans.
So the questions:
- how much could cost for Mavs to trade Bertans for those two contracts? Would a couple of second rounders do it?
- how much could Mavs get by trading THJ for those contracts? Would protected 2023 FRP be a reality?
I am thinking about something like this:
NO: THJ
Sac: one of Temple or Graham and NO pick
Dal: Holmes and one of Temple or Graham
If there is an option to use Bertans in a trade that doesn’t involve more than our 22 pick (or Green) I’m taking it. I think THJ will be much easier to move than DB.
(05-06-2022, 10:31 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]If there is an option to use Bertans in a trade that doesn’t involve more than our 22 pick (or Green) I’m taking it. I think THJ will be much easier to move than DB.
I'm at the point with Bertans where I'm actually ok if he's on the roster for at least the next year. He's a stretch big that can knock down threes at a premium rate. His defense leaves a lot to be desired and he can't do many other things, BUT shooting trumps all.
Also I just don't think the Mavs can realistically move off of him without paying a hefty price. If we're paying a hefty price, I'd rather us use our assets to bring in the best possible player rather than using some of said assets to move off a bad contract. It's not like we need the cap space.
(05-06-2022, 11:48 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I'm at the point with Bertans where I'm actually ok if he's on the roster for at least the next year. He's a stretch big that can knock down threes at a premium rate. His defense leaves a lot to be desired and he can't do many other things, BUT shooting trumps all.
Also I just don't think the Mavs can realistically move off of him without paying a hefty price. If we're paying a hefty price, I'd rather us use our assets to bring in the best possible player rather than using some of said assets to move off a bad contract. It's not like we need the cap space.
I expect Bertans to be here for a while. Just going to be tough to find takers.
I don't know if I truly believe this but I do think it is possible if the Mavs found an elite defensive center, Bertans could be more valuable to this team than Kleber. Salary considerations need to factor in too though. But if you had an elite defensive center, I could see Bertans in a sniper role off the bench for 15 or so minutes a game.
(05-06-2022, 10:17 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]New Orleans is a team that desperately need shooting and has a couple of bad contracts of their own in Graham and Temple. Graham is small, not really good defensively and will never work well next to CJ. Besides, New Orleans have another two small PG on the bench in Lewis and Alvarado. Mavs have THJ and Bertans that would fit much better next to CJ than Graham does. Temple is 35 and seems he has fallen out of rotation. He is only guaranteed for one year though.
Of course Graham and Temple are not players I want, but they might be easier to move to a third team than either THJ or Bertans.
So the questions:
- how much could cost for Mavs to trade Bertans for those two contracts? Would a couple of second rounders do it?
- how much could Mavs get by trading THJ for those contracts? Would protected 2023 FRP be a reality?
I am thinking about something like this:
NO: THJ
Sac: one of Temple or Graham and NO pick
Dal: Holmes and one of Temple or Graham
If dealing with NO, why not just get Hayes from them? He's got a much higher ceiling than Holmes. If the Mavs were gonna get Holmes I think it would be something simple like just giving them an expiring so the Kings clear their cap instead of taking on a dead contract.
(05-06-2022, 12:50 PM)Jakeospikez Wrote: [ -> ]If dealing with NO, why not just get Hayes from them?
Personally, I am not interested. I think Mavs should move for more established players, not after someone that might develop.
(05-06-2022, 12:50 PM)Jakeospikez Wrote: [ -> ]If the Mavs were gonna get Holmes I think it would be something simple like just giving them an expiring so the Kings clear their cap instead of taking on a dead contract.
I don't think there would be just one team in Holmes sweepstakes. Competition will drive the price up.
Gobert trade ideas:
Mavs: Bullock, Powell, Bertans and two FRP
Getting rid of Bertans contract would be big value in itself. 2 FRP hurt and Mavs would need to find a replacement for Bullock. THJ is not it imho. So the key for me would be, can you do something with THJ and remaining assets. Bring in Grant for THJ and the two remaining picks and you have a huge team. And very expensive
Exploring the trade market for Donovan Mitchell, Rudy Gobert (yahoo.com)
Would Ainge want Powell back?
Do we dare trade with Ainge?
I like Bullock.
(05-06-2022, 02:17 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Gobert trade ideas:
Mavs: Bullock, Powell, Bertans and two FRP
Getting rid of Bertans contract would be big value in itself. 2 FRP hurt and Mavs would need to find a replacement for Bullock. THJ is not it imho. So the key for me would be, can you do something with THJ and remaining assets. Bring in Grant for THJ and the two remaining picks and you have a huge team. And very expensive
Exploring the trade market for Donovan Mitchell, Rudy Gobert (yahoo.com)
I have been thinking if Gobert/Turner plus a solid 4 type player would be enough to turn us into a contender. Bullock has been valuable during the playoffs. I am not trying to run him off, but I think long term I would prefer him as a high minute bench player. Maybe I am wrong though.
Not sure if Bertans would interest Utah with that contract. Could you include Maxi in there would that also work? That would pretty much give Utah expirings and a semi solid Asset in Bullock plus picks. It may not be the best offer, but I could see some value for Utah sort of cleaning the books.
Get Grant and Gobert. How? I’m not sure, that’s Nico’s job.
(05-06-2022, 07:53 PM)Dirknows Wrote: [ -> ]Get Grant and Gobert. How? I’m not sure, that’s Nico’s job.
We may soon know if Nico is really the GM or just window dressing.