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(02-05-2022, 03:21 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]I disagree here.  Hardaway's contract isn't as bad after this year as everyone on this board claims.  Harris is an expiring and is not good at basketball, no on is offering anything of real value for him (in my opinion).  Orlando can't attract free agents and Harris is going to walk for nothing most likely.  Also, the money remaining this season is a wash between Harris and Hardaway so that aspect of the contract shouldn't really come into play. If you told Orlando that they could shop the open market for a shooter to replace Harris' minutes or they could have Hardaway for 3 years at 53 mil this offseason...I think they'd be happy with Hardaway.  Not to mention the Mosley ties.

Orlando has basically zero need for THJ. They are rebuilding and will not aim for something soon. They also have young Suggs and Hampton at the position that they will want to develop instead of playing a vet. Rebuilding team is taking on money for assets.

(02-05-2022, 03:31 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Orlando has basically zero need for THJ. They are rebuilding and will not aim for something soon. They also have young Suggs and Hampton at the position that they will want to develop instead of playing a vet. Rebuilding team is taking on money for assets.

I can see POR having interest in THJ. He's out for the season now but they aren't trying to win games. Theoretically THJ gives you 75% of McCollum so he can be used as a replacement for him next year with a healthy Dame. They open up a ton of cap-space with moving off of Nance and taking on THJ's declining contract too and go all in next season.

Should it not work then THJ's contract is a good trade chip the final two years for a contender. 

All I'm saying is it makes a ton of sense for both parties.

(02-05-2022, 03:31 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Orlando has basically zero need for THJ. They are rebuilding and will not aim for something soon. They also have young Suggs and Hampton at the position that they will want to develop instead of playing a vet. Rebuilding team is taking on money for assets.

I agree the crowded backcourt could definitely come into play when it comes to decision making (Fultz and Anthony need minutes on top of the two you mentioned) but right now Harris is still playing minutes for them because that roster is continually hurt and I wouldn't be surprised if they want to move those young assets while they still have value and choose certain ones to keep around (speculation I know).

Just saying I don't think Hardaway's contract is not as big a factor in this hypothetical in my opinion.

I like the idea of buying low on CJ, but I'm struggling with how that will work with Brunson.  I don't think we can start Luka/CJ/Brunson together.  I like the idea of having 2 of them on the court at all times, but that means one of them is not starting, and Brunson makes the most sense for that spot.  I'm worried about the impact that have on Brunson free agent decision.  At a minimum THJ would need to be going out.

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(02-05-2022, 03:38 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I can see POR having interest in THJ. He's out for the season now but they aren't trying to win games. Theoretically THJ gives you 75% of McCollum so he can be used as a replacement for him next year with a healthy Dame. They open up a ton of cap-space with moving off of Nance and taking on THJ's declining contract too and go all in next season.

Should it not work then THJ's contract is a good trade chip the final two years for a contender. 

All I'm saying is it makes a ton of sense for both parties.

THJ is basically a bigger Norman Powell.  With both Powell and CJ out THJ makes a lot of sense next to Lillard.

So Tim took a discount to sign with the Mavs. If you turn around and trade him 6 months later, who’s gonna take a hometown discount ever again?

(02-05-2022, 04:08 PM)Jommybone Wrote: [ -> ]So Tim took a discount to sign with the Mavs. If you turn around and trade him 6 months later, who’s gonna take a hometown discount ever again?

Good point...it will also look questionable to agents and free agents in the future.   It can be overcome, but it could cost us.

question:  Was KP on the bench last night?  I don't remember seeing him.  I would imagine he was.

Second, I was looking at his Instagram and noticed he is not following the Dallas Mavs account.   Is there a way you can see if this is a recent development?  Most of the players follow the team account.  

This isn't going to happen, but isn't there a world where there is a remote chance that Nets would want KP over Ben Simmons in a Harden trade?   Ok, probably not very likely, but where KP has injury concerns (maybe he is not as injured as reported LOL), Simmons brings all sorts of other questions to the table.   Would they want a great perimeter defender who is a great passer but reluctant scorer or a good rim protector who in theory should be able to space the floor?  Especially since you may be matchup up against Embid, Bam and others in a playoff series.

(02-05-2022, 05:38 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]This isn't going to happen, but isn't there a world where there is a remote chance that Nets would want KP over Ben Simmons in a Harden trade?

I think so. Brooklyn has already tried the multi-ballhandler thing, and if it was working they wouldn't be talking about trading Harden. But a true big like KP could complement Kyrie and Durant much better.

(02-05-2022, 05:38 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]question:  Was KP on the bench last night?  I don't remember seeing him.  I would imagine he was.

I just re-watched the second half and never saw him. Definitely a little odd.

Also of interest is that Maxi was there but never had any visible ice or wrap on the "knee effusion" that kept him out of the lineup.

On a completely unrelated note, the trade deadline is Thursday.

(02-05-2022, 04:08 PM)Jommybone Wrote: [ -> ]So Tim took a discount to sign with the Mavs. If you turn around and trade him 6 months later, who’s gonna take a hometown discount ever again?

The players that want to stay on a team and can see with their own eyes that THJ has given the team a hometown discount in his play!

(02-05-2022, 04:08 PM)Jommybone Wrote: [ -> ]So Tim took a discount to sign with the Mavs. If you turn around and trade him 6 months later, who’s gonna take a hometown discount ever again?

I don't think Timmy took a discount out of sheer generosity for Cuban and his pockets. He did it because he felt the Mavs gave him the best situation for him overall. 

Looking at the other reported teams that offered him more, the Pelicans and the Pistons, I can see why he took the Mavs offer instead. There is a price and value to winning. THJ valued that. Timmy and his agent sat down and laid out his options and he took probably the biggest deal that gave him that. It just so happened to be the Mavs offering it. 

Further I highly doubt we'd be so motivated to trade THJ if he didn't put up 4 months of putrid basketball and no defense. There is accountability there. If a team wants to win a championship we can't be run as a charity. Thus, I don't think trading THJ would have any affect to how the Mavs are perceived. If anything we're sending THJ to a place where he'll be heavily featured next to one of the best PG's in the NBA and another supposed winning situation.

(02-05-2022, 09:31 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think Timmy took a discount out of sheer generosity for Cuban and his pockets. He did it because he felt the Mavs gave him the best situation for him overall. 

Looking at the other reported teams that offered him more, the Pelicans and the Pistons, I can see why he took the Mavs offer instead. There is a price and value to winning. THJ valued that. Timmy and his agent sat down and laid out his options and he took probably the biggest deal that gave him that. It just so happened to be the Mavs offering it. 

Further I highly doubt we'd be so motivated to trade THJ if he didn't put up 4 months of putrid basketball and no defense. There is accountability there. If a team wants to win a championship we can't be run as a charity. Thus, I don't think trading THJ would have any affect to how the Mavs are perceived. If anything we're sending THJ to a place where he'll be heavily featured next to one of the best PG's in the NBA and another supposed winning situation.

Absolutely agree. Except for the 4 months part. To me he's been doing it for two and a half years (in a Dallas uniform) and the FO was dumb enough to give him that contract because he was a "locker room" guy. SMH.

(02-05-2022, 09:31 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think Timmy took a discount out of sheer generosity for Cuban and his pockets. He did it because he felt the Mavs gave him the best situation for him overall. 

Looking at the other reported teams that offered him more, the Pelicans and the Pistons, I can see why he took the Mavs offer instead. There is a price and value to winning. THJ valued that. Timmy and his agent sat down and laid out his options and he took probably the biggest deal that gave him that. It just so happened to be the Mavs offering it. 

Further I highly doubt we'd be so motivated to trade THJ if he didn't put up 4 months of putrid basketball and no defense. There is accountability there. If a team wants to win a championship we can't be run as a charity. Thus, I don't think trading THJ would have any affect to how the Mavs are perceived. If anything we're sending THJ to a place where he'll be heavily featured next to one of the best PG's in the NBA and another supposed winning situation.

Right.  Is anybody slamming Portland for trading Powell months after trading for him and then signing to big (similar) contract?

(02-05-2022, 10:14 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]Right.  Is anybody slamming Portland for trading Powell months after trading for him and then signing to big (similar) contract?

Hindsight and all but they'd be in a much better position had they just retained Trent Jr and retooled the next version of the Dame led Blazers he and Simons.

My #1 goal would be getting Collins here without losing Brunson. Losing DFS would suck but might be necessary.

Great points regarding the THJ situation.  I retract my earlier comments.  I think I just got caught up in how much I really do think THJ likes playing here.  I do feel that in different circumstances it could hurt......how much would depend on the situation.   How long?....probably only temporarily unless you keep doing it over and over.

The point that Tim signed here because he wanted to win? Right. Which shouldn’t be a factor at all if you know you’re probably gonna get traded a few months later to who knows where.

(02-06-2022, 12:04 AM)Jommybone Wrote: [ -> ]The point that Tim signed here because he wanted to win? Right. Which shouldn’t be a factor at all if you know you’re probably gonna get traded a few months later to who knows where.

That's why players get compensated so heavily, because they can get transferred at any moment pre TDL. It's a business. Teams don't trade players that have made themselves indispensable.

Idea at Fish.com:


With all of this in mind, here is the three-way trade we believe would be beneficial to all parties involved:

Mavs receive: Buddy Hield, Richaun Holmes

Knicks receive: Jalen Brunson

Kings receive: Tim Hardaway Jr., Maxi Kleber, Mitchell Robinson and the Knicks' 2023 first-round pick acquired from the Mavs in the Kristaps Porzingis trade

Then, if the Mavs end up not thinking they won't end up with Goran Dragic on the buyout market for whatever reason, they could put their TPE (traded player exception) to use by adding more secondary playmaking and bench scoring:

Mavs receive: Kemba Walker


Knicks receive: Mavs' $10.9 TPE and protected future second-round pick



I’m not traditionally a Hield fan, but I like that you are shortening the window for this position to two years instead of THJ’s longer deal.  The article mentions Hield lives in Dallas in the off-season.  The thing I like about Holmes is he can anchor the C position on nights KP is out much better than Powell or Maxi.  I think Holmes is mobile enough to play alongside KP.  I would probably keep the proposed NY 2023 and give Sacramento our 2022 pick instead.

This feels a little light.  If Hield and THJ are a wash, then this is JB and Maxi for Holmes and you are helping NY offload Kemba’s money in 2022-23.  Seems like Dallas would be owed something more.