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Joe Ingles at age 36 and coming off an ACL recovery, might he be (a) gettable with the taxpayer MLE and (b) able to man the 5 spot for 18-20 minutes to spell Maxi?

(05-13-2022, 09:45 PM)Jommybone Wrote: [ -> ]Joe Ingles at age 36 and coming off an ACL recovery, might he be (a) gettable with the taxpayer MLE and (b) able to man the 5 spot for 18-20 minutes to spell Maxi?

I bet he ends back up in Utah.  Love JIngles though.

All this talk of Turner, Collins, Wood and Holmes... wouldn't surprise me if the Mavs do a low key trade at draft night.

Brown+Burke+Chris+26 for Olynyk+46

Why for Detroit: All 3 players are expiring contracts, and 20 spots is a big jump. Really no use for Olynk unless they need a token center for the years they are trying to rebuild. 

Why for the Mavs: Olynk of course can shoot and can't be any worse than Bertans on defense. Trade also consolidates three contracts rather than waive them. Pick at 46 may not amount to anything, but there's a chance pick 26 wouldn't too. 

I'd pull the trigger if the likes of Jovic, Kamagate, Kessler, Robinson and Jalen Williams are not available at 26.

Another pick swap I like is Muscala + 34 for (Brown+Chris or Burke+Chris) + 26. OKC has a ton of picks and may not value lower end picks just the same as any other team. This trade only happens if OKC really has someone in mind at 26 that may not be available at picks 30 and 34.


If the Mavs have either Muscala or Olynk in this playoffs, I'd bet neither DP or Bertans would sniff the floor.

(05-14-2022, 12:58 AM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: [ -> ]All this talk of Turner, Collins, Wood and Holmes... wouldn't surprise me if the Mavs do a low key trade at draft night.

Brown+Burke+Chris+26 for Olynyk+46

Why for Detroit: All 3 players are expiring contracts, and 20 spots is a big jump. Really no use for Olynk unless they need a token center for the years they are trying to rebuild. 

Why for the Mavs: Olynk of course can shoot and can't be any worse than Bertans on defense. Trade also consolidates three contracts rather than waive them. Pick at 46 may not amount to anything, but there's a chance pick 26 wouldn't too. 

I'd pull the trigger if the likes of Jovic, Kamagate, Kessler, Robinson and Jalen Williams are not available at 26.

Another pick swap I like is Muscala + 34 for (Brown+Chris or Burke+Chris) + 26. OKC has a ton of picks and may not value lower end picks just the same as any other team. This trade only happens if OKC really has someone in mind at 26 that may not be available at picks 30 and 34.


If the Mavs have either Muscala or Olynk in this playoffs, I'd bet neither DP or Bertans would sniff the floor.

I have no interest in effectively giving up our pick for a 31 year old backup center.  If we are going to trade our pick away for a rotation center, it would make way more sense to go after a younger guy that might develop into something more.

Any Demarcus Cousins fans out there?

https://youtu.be/fDlgOMELnsY

hope we don't do that Olynyc trade it doesn't move the needle at all...I'm all for drafting it looks like a deep flat draft...there are a number of guys that intrigue me and one could go down...love Tari Eason /Agbachi/K.brown/Hardy ...imagine how great it would be to get a talented gem similar to (Maxey or Bane)...Luka is still a kid, it's very important to get talent from the Draft in my opinion.. just look Raptors got OG/Siakam with a +- pick on our range

(05-14-2022, 03:35 PM)DallasMaverick Wrote: [ -> ]Any Demarcus Cousins fans out there?

https://youtu.be/fDlgOMELnsY

Saying Boogie can't defend isn't exactly a new concept.  I'd take him on the cheap and use him for matchups or run second unit offenses through him.  My Kanter strategy.

Cousins is still a good scorer and rebounder, and excellent for the price these days if he fits.

But would he? He can't defend the perimeter, can't shoot 3s that well, isn't very mobile, isn't a lob target. So while the numbers are enticing. I'm not sure it's something that gets him minutes here. The biggest indictment on him is that he's much like Boban in what he might offer, and we already have all of those we need.

In terms of draft options, Kessler is probably the better choice over Robinson in terms of guys who might be in the late-1st range. Of course Mark Williams would be the ideal, but hard to see how the Mavs move up to the range where we could take him.

(05-14-2022, 09:14 PM)Branduil Wrote: [ -> ]Of course Mark Williams would be the ideal, but hard to see how the Mavs move up to the range where we could take him.

I agree Williams is very unlikely to get to 26, but tend to think there's going to be a swap-up shot at Williams, assuming he isn't drafted before the teens. He's more of a specialty player imo (rim-runner with mobility and some defense) whereas teams often are looking for ball handlers and 3-pt shooters and scorers.

(05-14-2022, 09:50 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]I agree Williams is very unlikely to get to 26, but tend to think there's going to be a swap-up shot at Williams, assuming he isn't drafted before the teens. He's more of a specialty player imo (rim-runner with mobility and some defense) whereas teams often are looking for ball handlers and 3-pt shooters and scorers.

I think the only way the Mavs could move up in that case is if a team desperately wants to shed some salary and Powell+Green+26 for their pick+salary baggage would be enough.

Chances of making next year’s squad better by adding whomever we guess might be the best player standing at #26? Very, very slim in my estimation. The best center standing? Even slimmer. 

Far greater chance to improve via trade, trade exception, taxpayer MLE, and/or internal improvement. In that order. Even vet mins offer a more likely opportunity for immediate improvement than late picks in the draft. Seems to me you all are just kidding yourselves. 

Marquis Chriss has the size, mobility, and 3-point range (sometimes) to give you hope. Any comparably capable player in this draft goes in the lotto. 

Sorry to be a downer.

(05-14-2022, 10:39 PM)Jommybone Wrote: [ -> ]Chances of making next year’s squad better by adding whomever we guess might be the best player standing at #26? Very, very slim in my estimation. The best center standing? Even slimmer. 

Far greater chance to improve via trade, trade exception, taxpayer MLE, and/or internal improvement. In that order. Even vet mins offer a more likely opportunity for immediate improvement than late picks in the draft. Seems to me you all are just kidding yourselves. 

Marquis Chriss has the size, mobility, and 3-point range (sometimes) to give you hope. Any comparably capable player in this draft goes in the lotto. 

Sorry to be a downer.

I think the more likely scenario is a team in the 10-20 range being willing to give up their current C after getting Williams. Atlanta, Indiana, and Houston all have picks in that range.

(05-14-2022, 10:39 PM)Jommybone Wrote: [ -> ]Chances of making next year’s squad better by adding whomever we guess might be the best player standing at #26? Very, very slim in my estimation. The best center standing? Even slimmer. 

Far greater chance to improve via trade, trade exception, taxpayer MLE, and/or internal improvement. In that order. Even vet mins offer a more likely opportunity for immediate improvement than late picks in the draft. Seems to me you all are just kidding yourselves. 

Marquis Chriss has the size, mobility, and 3-point range (sometimes) to give you hope. Any comparably capable player in this draft goes in the lotto. 

Sorry to be a downer.

If we guess right who the best player available is at #26, he´ll be a far better player than anyone we can sign/acquire via the TPE or TMLE. Since we won the championship the top 3 players available at #26:

2011: Butler, Bogdanovic, Parsons, (Thomas)
2012: Draymond, Middleton, Crowder (Satoransky)
2013: Gobert, Covington, Theis/Neto
2014: Jokic, Grant, Bogdanovic, (Clarkson, Dinwiddie, Joe Harris, Kyle Anderson)
2015: Harrell, Holmes, Richardson (Looney, Connaughton,Osman)
2016: Siakam, Murray, Brogdon (Zubac, Korkmaz)
2017: Kuzma, White, Brooks (Hart, Hartenstein)
2018: Brunson, Graham, Trent Jr. (Robinson)
2019: Poole, Porter Jr., Gafford (Claxton, Paschall)
2020: Bane, McDaniels, Maledon
2021: Dosunmu, tbd, tbd,

He´ll probably be the 2nd best player on the team, when Luka is 24.

(05-13-2022, 06:21 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think the Mavs would be interested in trading Maxi. Or DFS. Much less both.

Those are exactly the sort of players they want to fill their rotation, 2-way with a 3pt shot and making MLE-like money, and the contract size of each player in the rotation is going to be a big part of that. Bullock imo fits in that category too.

While I totally agree with this sentiment, I struggle to call those guys 2-way players.  They don't score at a high level, they don't create for others and they don't create for themselves.  They are defensive players that have an offensive skill (3 point shot) the keeps (or limits) them from being a negative on the offensive end.  

True 2 way players that can score/create at a high level as well as be plus defenders are rare and very expensive.  Guys like Lebron, Giannis, Kawhi, George, Jrue.  We don't have a single one on this team right now, and in the long term that is the kind of player we need to pair with Luka.

(05-15-2022, 01:55 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]If we guess right who the best player available is at #26, he´ll be a far better player than anyone we can sign/acquire via the TPE or TMLE. Since we won the championship the top 3 players available at #26:

2011: Butler, Bogdanovic, Parsons, (Thomas)
2012: Draymond, Middleton, Crowder (Satoransky)
2013: Gobert, Covington, Theis/Neto
2014: Jokic, Grant, Bogdanovic, (Clarkson, Dinwiddie, Joe Harris, Kyle Anderson)
2015: Harrell, Holmes, Richardson (Looney, Connaughton,Osman)
2016: Siakam, Murray, Brogdon (Zubac, Korkmaz)
2017: Kuzma, White, Brooks (Hart, Hartenstein)
2018: Brunson, Graham, Trent Jr. (Robinson)
2019: Poole, Porter Jr., Gafford (Claxton, Paschall)
2020: Bane, McDaniels, Maledon
2021: Dosunmu, tbd, tbd,

He´ll probably be the 2nd best player on the team, when Luka is 24.

This is wildly overstated.  Luka will be 24 next year.  Brunson and Dorian are better than over half these guys now, let alone in their rookie year.  And there is very little evidence this FO is capable to make that correct choice (which when narrowed down properly is probably less than 10 percent hit rate).

I'm not against using that pick to try to get some long term cheap value from the draft, but thinking we are going to get someone at 26 that is going to significantly contribute (especially a big) in their first year is wildly optimistic.

(05-15-2022, 11:04 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]True 2 way players that can score/create at a high level as well as be plus defenders are rare and very expensive.  Guys like Lebron, Giannis, Kawhi, George, Jrue.  We don't have a single one on this team right now, and in the long term that is the kind of player we need to pair with Luka.

I don't think you have to look so high as to "need" to get the players you listed. There is a tier or 2 below the highest of the high end player. Mann and Brooks are 2 guys that are a tier or 2 below those guys, but are able to do what you're talking about. Those are the types of guys I have been trying to propose we get. Forget the stars, I'm not convinced Luka would fit well with someone who "has" to have a high usage. Go for the lesser guys that will make more of an impact with the ball in their hands.

https://twitter.com/prisonersdilem5/status/1525757783337050120?s=20&t=q_-S9dLijhwBTKGVacrS-A

Every Mavs offseason for me

We tend to think that trading is always about teams needing talent. However, no fan ever knows which teams need to move players because of contracts and cap space (just as we will). 

So there will be players made available, because GMs have to think about future cap space. I would be surprised if the Mavs didn't do their best to capitalize on this in some way. At the very least, they can upgrade their bench.

(05-15-2022, 01:55 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]If we guess right who the best player available is at #26, he´ll be a far better player than anyone we can sign/acquire via the TPE or TMLE. Since we won the championship the top 3 players available at #26:

2011: Butler, Bogdanovic, Parsons, (Thomas)
2012: Draymond, Middleton, Crowder (Satoransky)
2013: Gobert, Covington, Theis/Neto
2014: Jokic, Grant, Bogdanovic, (Clarkson, Dinwiddie, Joe Harris, Kyle Anderson)
2015: Harrell, Holmes, Richardson (Looney, Connaughton,Osman)
2016: Siakam, Murray, Brogdon (Zubac, Korkmaz)
2017: Kuzma, White, Brooks (Hart, Hartenstein)
2018: Brunson, Graham, Trent Jr. (Robinson)
2019: Poole, Porter Jr., Gafford (Claxton, Paschall)
2020: Bane, McDaniels, Maledon
2021: Dosunmu, tbd, tbd,

He´ll probably be the 2nd best player on the team, when Luka is 24.

I think that’s what they call “cherry picking,” no? History of the #26 pick in the draft (try not to drool):

2021 Bones Highland, Virginia Commonwealth—Denver Nuggets
2020 Payton Pritchard, Oregon—Boston Celtics
2019 Dylan Windler, Belmont – Cleveland Cavaliers
2018 Landry Shamet, Wichita State University – Philadelphia 76ers
2017 Caleb Swanigan, Purdue – Portland Trail Blazers
2016 Furkan Korkmaz, Turkey – Philadelphia 76ers
2015 Nikola Milutinov, Partizan – San Antonio Spurs
2014 P.J. Hairston, Texas Legends (D-League) – Charlotte Hornets
2013 Andre Roberson, Colorado – Minnesota Timberwolves
2012 Miles Plumlee, Duke – Indiana Pacers
2011 Jordan Hamilton, University of Texas at Austin – Dallas Mavericks