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(12-03-2021, 02:46 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think there is a single person here that dislikes DFS so much that they want him to be off the team

Maybe there are, maybe there aren’t. But, if there are, they’d surely agree that he’s going to get another NBA contract, right?

(12-03-2021, 02:48 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe there are, maybe there aren’t. But, if there are, they’d surely agree that he’s going to get another NBA contract, right?

While it is opportunistic to do so while he's in such a horrible shooting slump, I hope we are talking to his agent about an extension.  Locking him up to another long term sweetheart contract would be amazing.

I'd be happy if we had 6 DFS guys..he can defend 1/4, bounce, shoot 3 open and he's a hard worker..I would happily hand him the Bullock contract..it's the least of our problems .. If we could change Bullock + Picks for a 4/5 guy like .. Isaak / PJ Washinton or even Covington / Thad / Anderson ... I think we would improve a lot .. also start Frank who is the best defender on the roster and is nowhere near In my opinion..
Luka / Frank / DFS / Isaak? / KP .. Luka / KP alongside 3 strong defenders..with Frank helping with handling
Jalen / Green / THJ / Maxi / Powell .. 2 candidates for 6 man + 2 good defenders and Powell in his ideal role. + Burke / Boban / Brown / Omoruyi perfect on a 3 string paper ..

(12-02-2021, 11:41 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]I just don't see any way to measure him as  overrated.  30 minutes a night at 4M.  He's got to be on one of the best contracts in the league relative to what he contributes.  I also understand his limitations but why begrudge anyone of being a fan of him.  An underdog who we watched grow before our eyes, who maximized his gifts and even though he makes next to nothing by NBA standards, gives back to the community he grew up in.  I'm biased obviously, he's my favorite player on the team but the rational side in all of us should have some perspective.

I really like the guy too, I just don’t like him as much as you, that makes him overrated as we learned with the conversation KL and I had.

(12-03-2021, 07:24 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I really like the guy too, I just don’t like him as much as you, that makes him overrated as we learned with the conversation KL and I had.

That's an odd definition for overrated.  And no one loves the God King as much as I do.

(12-02-2021, 11:41 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]I just don't see any way to measure him as  overrated.

Even when @"KillerLeft" says he is one of the top 10 most important Mavs of ALL TIME?

(12-02-2021, 06:46 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]DFS was lucky as he came to Mavs in tanking years where he was given plenty of opportunity to develop. I don't think there would be any chance DFS would see floor if he came to Dallas last season. Which I think is wrong and which is a point I am trying to make for Green (or Moses, or Omoruyi,...). I think a team should always have at least two youngsters with upside on developmental minutes. If not everygame, at least against a team like NO, for example. Garbage time with one team 30 points ahead doesn't really count.

This is exactly what I think.  I was down on DFS at first, but he won me over.  I've always thought we should have at least two youngsters at all times that we develop in house.

(12-03-2021, 02:46 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think there is a single person here that dislikes DFS so much that they want him to be off the team

Me either, but I do think there are many of us who would love to upgrade his spot in a heartbeat if it were possible. I love DFS, he’s a  hard worker, but he’s a bit overrated on this board.

At his current salary, he’s one of the biggest bargains in the league. But it would be nice to have a guy that does what he does and can either make contested threes, handle the ball, and/or have a more well rounded offensive game in general. I know those guys cost about 3 - 4 times what he does, but if I could move him and another piece for one of them, I do it in a heartbeat.

(12-03-2021, 11:55 AM)embellisher Wrote: [ -> ]Me either, but I do think there are many of us who would love to upgrade his spot in a heartbeat if it were possible. I love DFS, he’s a  hard worker, but he’s a bit overrated on this board.

At his current salary, he’s one of the biggest bargains in the league. But it would be nice to have a guy that does what he does and can either make contested threes, handle the ball, and/or have a more well rounded offensive game in general. I know those guys cost about 3 - 4 times what he does, but if I could move him and another piece for one of them, I do it in a heartbeat.

The thing is, that guy would probably replace somebody else in the starting lineup like THJ.  If I am choosing between those two, I would rather have DFS in the starting lineup where his defense and intangibles are most valuable.  THJ makes a lot of sense as a 6th man.

(12-03-2021, 09:59 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Even when @"KillerLeft" says he is one of the top 10 most important Mavs of ALL TIME?

(12-03-2021, 02:37 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]THJ makes a lot of sense as a 6th man.

Help me understand this part. I read this around here all the time, and I don't agree. Here is my thinking:

I'm his biggest fan here, probably, but even I don't think he's a "create your own shot" type of player. When I think 6th Man, I think "instant offense." Van Exel, JET, Brunson, Clarkson, etc. Hell, even Burke might flourish in a role like that on the right team. 

I can see an argument that THJ might be below the quality of the top 5 players on the team, especially this season, but I don't view his game as something that's going to be suddenly more effective off of the bench. 

I'm not even saying I wouldn't bench him (he has been bad this year), and I definitely agree that DFS should be the one who starts, if pressed. I guess I just view THJ's value (when playing well) as a high minute, high volume shooter. For whatever reason, this year's offense hasn't prioritized creating opportunities for him. He also hasn't been shooting very well, so far, so I'm not sure which is the chicken and which is the egg. But, imho, if they decide THJ is not a starter (or closer) here, which is very possible as they determine how all of this fits together, he needs to be traded off of the team. I just don't think he's going to have much impact as a bench player. I could be way wrong, clearly, but it certainly didn't look like he was a fit in that role the last two times it was tried. Then again, different coach, different teams.

Speaking of trading him, someone remind me - does his new contract exempt him from trades for the entire season, or will he be good to move by the TDL?

(12-03-2021, 11:55 AM)embellisher Wrote: [ -> ]But it would be nice to have a guy that does what he does and can either make contested threes, handle the ball, and/or have a more well rounded offensive game in general.

You're basically describing Paul George. Yes, I'd trade DFS in a package for Paul George. I think that might be a tad unrealistic, however, and I don't know that the list of players who check off the boxes you're describing is all that long.

(12-03-2021, 09:59 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Even when @"KillerLeft" says he is one of the top 10 most important Mavs of ALL TIME?

A broken clock is right twice a day.

Yeah I don't think this roster is salvageable. Might as well blow it up because this core has peaked.

THJ will still have value with other teams. KP... see what you can get.

Tim's only skill is to shoot 3 and get off the bench..a 35% career shooter (and improved along with Luka) at $ 20 per year..doubt he has much value..Who would want Tim? .. with Hield (firing at 40% with more volume) available .. Mcdermott at half price ... shooting 41% ... Forbes $ 4 shooter 42% etc etc.. Giving him that contract, it didn't make sense..only NOP showed interest..I know we love our boys, but Man Tim is a 10/12 $ guy, just like Jalen, let's not fool ourselves..what do they do + - the good 6 men .. Clarkson / Rose, Mount Morris

This team needs a shake-up badly, but I have a real hard time to even come up with some realistic trades.

Trade 1:

THJ + Powell for Warren + Lamb + Bitadze

Trade 2:

Kleber + Bullock for Bagley + Len

This gives us enough financial flexibility to comfortably re-sign Brunson, DFS and Bagley next summer.
Doncic/Ntilikina
Brunson/Lamb
DFS/Green (Warren injury projection?)
Bagley/Omoruyi
Porzingis/Bitadze

Develop a younger team with some upside, so one or two can become key contributors for the future, while you wait for the Dragic/Favors buyouts. Hope you can convince them to join. Maybe TJ Warren is healthy by play-off time and you are looking at making a push through the play-in tournament with....

Doncic/Dragic/Ntilikina
Brunson/Lamb/Brown
DFS/Warren/Green
Bagley/Favors/Brown
Porzingis/Bitadze/Boban

You start Brunson, DFS and Bagley to show them that they are in a great spot to stay/re-sign with the Mavs.

why would Indiana do that ..? Powell / THJ are overpaid .. why would they pay Powell 10? having Sabonis / Turner locked up? and Goga on a rookie contract? ... Warrem / Lamb combined make less money than Tim .. and Warren healthy, he is a far superior player .. Our best asset is Jalen and I don't think it has much value, it is expiring and the scoring guards of doubtful and small defense have a limited value (in the line of Graham, Monte Morris etc) a 1 afternoon, at best .. If you want Warren to cost us Brunson (and because he is injured and expiring), the good sized Wings that can create their own shot are valuable. Why do that Kings? With our assets we can go after overpaid guys like Hield, Horford, Gordon ...

(12-04-2021, 05:56 AM)Mikelo Wrote: [ -> ]why would Indiana do that ..? Powell / THJ are overpaid .. why would they pay Powell 10? having Sabonis / Turner locked up? and Goga on a rookie contract? ... Warrem / Lamb combined make less money than Tim .. and Warren healthy, he is a far superior player .. Our best asset is Jalen and I don't think it has much value, it is expiring and the scoring guards of doubtful and small defense have a limited value (in the line of Graham, Monte Morris etc) a 1 afternoon, at best .. If you want Warren to cost us Brunson (and because he is injured and expiring), the good sized Wings that can create their own shot are valuable. Why do that Kings? With our assets we can go after overpaid guys like Hield, Horford, Gordon ...

They are 9-16. Warren has played 10 games since March 2020 with what appears to be a chronic injury. Their rotations are clearly not working as Sabonis is coming off the bench now. They are not a free agent destination. They are nearly capped out in 2022 anyway even without Warren/Lamb. Carlisle knows and trusts THJ/Powell. 

You want to win a trade, you need to find desperate teams. The Pacers and Kings both want to make the play-offs. They are 9-16 and 9-14 respectively. They have expiring players that have no current win value in Warren and Bagley, because they are injured/and or pouting. This is about the upgrade your rotation now value.

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