Bracing myself for Kelly Olynyk’s arrival.
I know the loss is fresh on our minds, but I'm looking forward to this offseason. I think we're in good hands with Nico, Kidd and the Mavs brain trust.
My personal goals:
1) Upgrade our front court with 2 players
Here's the list of players that I believe are available.
Mo Bamba
Christian Wood
Richuan Holmes
On Day 1 of free agency, I would go after Mo Bamba. I think he would be terrific in Dallas. I would then trade for Wood or Holmes. I don't think it would be difficult to acquire Woods or Holmes
2) Draft a 3-D guy with the #26 pick. We need another DFS and Bullock type player. Let's see if our scouting department under Nico can find that player in this draft. Hopefully, a much better player than Josh Green who had one good game in this entire playoff run.
So if the Mavs like the Myles turner, it would really help if Turner played his part of wanting to go to Dallas and won’t sign an extension if traded somewhere else.
I may be wrong, but my asking price if I am Indiana is Kleber, Josh Green and a future first. Indiana gets Maxi who could be moved to a contender. They get a young prospect with Green and a future first. I think that is a competitive offer. Do u think that is too much? What is the one piece of the three, you would like to keep?
I am interesting to see what the Mavs do with Green. I would call this season a success for him. He just wasn’t ready to play playoff minutes yet. We just need to stop comparing him to Bane or Maxey. He will never be that good. It was a major miss my Bob V. The more I think of his tenure, I think he really made some awful moves. Donnie had to go, but I think Bob B was the bigger problem. I would play Josh in the summer league with the instructions that he needs to look to score all the time. See how he does with tat responsibility.
(05-27-2022, 12:31 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]I am interesting to see what the Mavs do with Green. I would call this season a success for him. He just wasn’t ready to play playoff minutes yet. We just need to stop comparing him to Bane or Maxey. He will never be that good. It was a major miss my Bob V. The more I think of his tenure, I think he really made some awful moves. Donnie had to go, but I think Bob B was the bigger problem. I would play Josh in the summer league with the instructions that he needs to look to score all the time. See how he does with tat responsibility.
All is progress seems like a distant memory and mostly erased by his playoff performance. I wish he had just sucked but refusing to shoot is just inexcusable. Frank might not be the better shooter but at least he pulls the trigger. Eye test tells me Frank's defense is much more impactful. I wonder if advanced stats would agree.
I'd hate to give up Maxi in Turner deal, he's the perfect bench player for how the team currently plays. I'd also rather give up '22 than a future. I don't think Green adds value to any deal.
(05-27-2022, 12:23 AM)Mavs03 Wrote: [ -> ]I know the loss is fresh on our minds, but I'm looking forward to this offseason. I think we're in good hands with Nico, Kidd and the Mavs brain trust.
My personal goals:
1) Upgrade our front court with 2 players
Here's the list of players that I believe are available.
Mo Bamba
Christian Wood
Richuan Holmes
On Day 1 of free agency, I would go after Mo Bamba. I think he would be terrific in Dallas. I would then trade for Wood or Holmes. I don't think it would be difficult to acquire Woods or Holmes
2) Draft a 3-D guy with the #26 pick. We need another DFS and Bullock type player. Let's see if our scouting department under Nico can find that player in this draft. Hopefully, a much better player than Josh Green who had one good game in this entire playoff run.
Cannot get Mo Bamba he's a S&T guy. Wood and Holmes are both good options.
(05-27-2022, 12:31 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]I may be wrong, but my asking price if I am Indiana is Kleber, Josh Green and a future first.
Would you take Powell, Brown, and a 1st.
The Mavs really can't afford to give up any of their core 6 without a bona-fide star coming back. When your depth is this thin you're gonna have to spend time building it back up.
(05-27-2022, 02:21 AM)Branduil Wrote: [ -> ]Cannot get Mo Bamba he's a S&T guy. Wood and Holmes are both good options.
Couldn´t Bamba theoretically sign his QO and simply agree to a trade? I
Obviously you have the problem of re-signing him next summer, but such a scenario is at least in play. It helps Bamba get to a team that will give him minutes and Orlando can extract some value instead of losing him for nothing.
I have a hard time seeing another team offering him more than the MLE and his QO is $10.1M, which does fit into our TPE.
(05-27-2022, 02:35 AM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]Would you take Powell, Brown, and a 1st.
Can’t imagine they would. That’s the issue with the idea of keeping our core six. We have just about nothing to trade outside of those six and picks. We don’t even have meaningful expiring contracts outside of Powell.
It will be difficult to get someone who might be our 3rd/4th best player if we aren’t willing to put one of our top six in the mix. Otherwise, we are simply talking about trying to add a useful seventh guy. Don’t get me wrong. I see value in that (have been arguing the need for one more guy for two seasons prior to this). But I suspect such an outcome will feel a little uninspiring to most around here.
(05-26-2022, 11:46 PM)Jakeospikez Wrote: [ -> ]That Powell extension.. oof... wasn't a fan the moment it was signed and it has rippled all the way down into potentially costing this team a title on a year where there were lots of injuries and it was up for grabs.
Boy I hope this idea that “we could have won it all in 2022 except for ______” doesn’t become part of the narrative around here. We finished exactly where our talent allowed us to finish…possibly higher. We didn’t have nearly the depth to compete against GS and the series wasn’t that close (and they were missing an exceptional on-ball defender in Payton).
Do we need upgrades AND some additional depth…absolutely. Should we have been adding some of that while we were dicking around the two summers prior to the Bullock summer…yes. Did Powell’s MLE contract (essentially) somehow prevent us from doing some move we would have otherwise done? I don’t see it.
(05-27-2022, 06:41 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Can’t imagine they would. That’s the issue with the idea of keeping our core six. We have just about nothing to trade outside of those six and picks. We don’t even have meaningful expiring contracts outside of Powell.
It will be difficult to get someone who might be our 3rd/4th best player if we aren’t willing to put one of our top six in the mix. Otherwise, we are simply talking about trying to add a useful seventh guy. Don’t get me wrong. I see value in that (have been arguing the need for one more guy for two seasons prior to this). But I suspect such an outcome will feel a little uninspiring to most around here.
I never thought we would be able to add the 3rd guy this offseason. We can't trade future picks easily, and we don't have a critical mass of expiring contracts and/or young players.
We have the tax MLE, trade exception, and #26 to work with. After re-signing Brunson, my priority would still be to try and trade for a starting center. If that doesn't work, draft the BPA (and don't screw up this time), sign a solid veteran with the MLE, and find a way to add depth with the exception as well.
(05-27-2022, 06:55 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]I hope this idea that “we could have won it all in 2022 except for ______” doesn’t become part of the narrative around here. We finished exactly where our talent allowed us to finish…possibly higher.
You may not agree, but I truly believe the Mavs went (and will go) as far as Luka could carry them. When he played close to his potential? They won and kicked butt. When he underperformed on his end? They struggled.
I truly think a matured Luka can get them to the Finals next year without changing much of anything at all. I also think a Luka that isn't more mature, could have them flame out in the 1st round if he doesn't perform at his best.
I think the Mavs need to be methodical in roster building, only making moves that are thoughtful and make sense. No reason to get desperate as Luka is the source of their largest growth area IMO.
Luka can improve as much as he wants but that will only go so far if our starting center is a 3/3/0 guy and DFS and Bullock have to play 42 mpg because our backup wings can't get wet in the ocean.
(05-27-2022, 07:13 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]You may not agree, but I truly believe the Mavs went (and will go) as far as Luka could carry them. When he played close to his potential? They won and kicked butt. When he underperformed on his end? They struggled.
I truly think a matured Luka can get them to the Finals next year without changing much of anything at all.
We have a chicken/egg dilemma here. We kicked butt when the role players hit their shots. Did those shots fall because Luka was engaged and mature or was Luka engaged/mature because things were humming.
To be clear, I agree that Luka has another level left in him. I’m just not sure that if we saw that level a year from now that the outcome would change. Even the greatest general can’t win a war without the right army.
(05-27-2022, 07:26 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]We have a chicken/egg dilemma here. We kicked butt when the role players hit their shots. Did those shots fall because Luka was engaged and mature or was Luka engaged/mature because things were humming.
To be clear, I agree that Luka has another level left in him. I’m just not sure that if we saw that level a year from now that the outcome would change. Even the greatest general can’t win a war without the right army.
The if that really killed us was THJ being injured "all season". It's like the Bucks losing Middleton.
You can spare some games, but having some heavy hitter unavailable long time will come on you.
(05-27-2022, 07:31 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]The if that really killed us was THJ being injured "all season". It's like the Bucks losing Middleton.
You can spare some games, but having some heavy hitter unavailable long time will come on you.
He wasn’t gone at the injury point, he was gone at the beginning of the season. Why are people not acknowledging this? He was a bad player, and then he got injured!
https://twitter.com/espndallas/status/15...74976?s=21&t=NhIeTN95LGWysf-YxWo8Lw
"We see what we need," Cuban said in the wake of the Warriors' closeout win. "When one of their guys is getting 17, 18 rebounds a night, it kind of tells the story. That's one of the things that we'll try to fix."
THJ is a huge question mark. He did not play well this year, and he struggled to fit in Kidd's system before the injury. We can hope I guess that another offseason will make a plus off the bench, and he'll regain his shooting form from the previous seasons, but we'll see.
(05-27-2022, 07:49 AM)JamesConway912 Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/espndallas/status/15...74976?s=21&t=NhIeTN95LGWysf-YxWo8Lw
"We see what we need," Cuban said in the wake of the Warriors' closeout win. "When one of their guys is getting 17, 18 rebounds a night, it kind of tells the story. That's one of the things that we'll try to fix."
No matter how you slice it, that fix does not come in the form of John Collins playing C for us!
(05-27-2022, 07:26 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]We have a chicken/egg dilemma here. We kicked butt when the role players hit their shots. Did those shots fall because Luka was engaged and mature or was Luka engaged/mature because things were humming.
To be clear, I agree that Luka has another level left in him. I’m just not sure that if we saw that level a year from now that the outcome would change. Even the greatest general can’t win a war without the right army.
I think these are valid arguments. But what makes me think Luka is large part the source is the data.
In Luka's 191 mins against GSW, the Mavs were -32.2 (!), -11.2 offensively and -21.0 defensively. Even if say all -11.2 offensively was a result of the role players just randomly missing when Luka was on court and making when he was off court, there is stil the glaring -21.0 on the defensive end. People made a big deal of Luka being embarrassed defensively against PHX, but Luka was more embarrassed defensively by GSW at an exponential level IMO. GSW knew exactly how to attack the Mavs to expose Luka on the defensive end.
Also, I think Luka's methodical approach against GSW played right into their hands. I believe the role players had worse looks with Luka on the court because the whole GSW defense was geared to make Luka's preferred style of play unsuccessful. Sure, there was some noise and randomness involved in it, but my eyes 100% agree with the data that the Mavs were worse offensively and especially defensively in the Luka minutes.
And it was totally opposite against PHX. Luka's minutes were +15.5. He absolutely carried the O against PHX and the D basically broke even with him.