Gotta keep Maxi, perfect bench big and suitable starter if there's an injury. Proven playoff performer too. Would need to be for a big time star if he's added in any deal.
Are Frank and Josh Green not pretty much the same exact player? Frank is less deer in the headlights in the playoffs right now but that's about it really.
Scanning through all the teams and operating under the assumption that we do not p*** away assets for small short-term gains, it´s really hard to make any realistic moves, unless some major deal opens up that is worth throwing all the chips into the middle (Lillard, Lavine, Beal, Butler, Mitchell etc.)
Honestly the best trade I could find is something like THJ + Dinwiddie + Powell for Westbrook.
Lakers get a much needed shooter in THJ, a willing veteran play-maker to deviate to LeBron and depth for their thin frontcourt in Powell.
This clears so much money for us.
We still have all our most crucial core players (Doncic, Brunson, DFS, Bullock, Kleber) and with ONE sweeping move we have moved most long-term money off our books except for Bertans.
It´s still not great, but you are now in a comfortable position to re-sign Maxi next summer, use the full MLE to replace Powell and swing some trades with all our assets still in place.
Furthermore with the PG whisperer Jason Kidd instead of Carlisle, I think there might be a chance he can make this work.
We´d be down to Doncic/Brunson as ballhandlers again. Especially on a second unit with four guys spreading the floor for him, we can still unleash the freight train Westbrook. Unlike in Los Angeles, we´d have 3-4 guys spreading the floor for him and he can just go downhill. Furthermore he´s a good rebounder and we can always use one of those, especially when he´d share the floor with Maxi and Bertans. Plus I think he´s actually a good locker room guy. I don´t care much what the media says about a player, but what other players say about their peers. He´ll be 34 years old next summer, too. So he might be willing to re-sign for less money and accept a new role.
Even if he caused massive chaos next season, we can just waive him, go in the tank for a year, let Luka go for 38 PPG winning the scoring title and we keep our 2023 1st round pick lottery pick in a great draft, might be able to find a legit Robin for the next decade.
I don´t see any downside to this deal, but a lot of upside.
(05-06-2022, 02:17 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Gobert trade ideas:
Mavs: Bullock, Powell, Bertans and two FRP
Getting rid of Bertans contract would be big value in itself. 2 FRP hurt and Mavs would need to find a replacement for Bullock. THJ is not it imho. So the key for me would be, can you do something with THJ and remaining assets. Bring in Grant for THJ and the two remaining picks and you have a huge team. And very expensive 
One way of knowing if this seems reasonable is looking at the other trades proposed where we don’t have fan-boy loyalties to consider. I think he did a pretty good job elsewhere. Therefore, I think this feels about right.
I’ve long said it would take two picks from us. Note other teams are offering more “talent” and for the most part just one pick. If we somehow get away with neither DFS or Maxi in the outgoing, then they will absolutely want Reggie. They need perimeter D. In fact, Reggie and the picks are the basis of the deal. Powell is a place holder until the center they draft or trade for is ready for a starting role (Bertans and our pick for Holmes?).
I think the replacement for Bullock is already here. Whether he starts or comes off the bench, THJ is going to eat some minutes at SF. The PG/SG minutes all go to the three ball handlers. So, there is only a 16 to 20 minutes role and it probably goes to either Josh or Frank. Whether it is a starting role or a backup role with Maxi on the floor instead of Gobert will depend on 3 point shooting. It would be hard to start Luka, JB and THJ from a defensive standpoint even with Gobert and Dorian. But, as we’ve seen, it is also hard to start Gobert with either Josh or Frank as that is two non-shooters (at least for now). Ideally, one or both of the young wings learns to hit a 3 and you start three good defenders with JB and Luka and your bench is largely SD, THJ and Maxi.
I’d do this deal. Gobert is a star and highly impacts winning. If you can get him and still have most of your team in tact (or a means to fill in the gaps created), then you absolutely do it.
(05-07-2022, 05:44 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly the best trade I could find is something like THJ + Dinwiddie + Powell for Westbrook.
I don´t see any downside to this deal, but a lot of upside.
No, No. A thousand times No.
I just threw up in my mouth a little.
Can we now stop including Maxi in trades?
Unless it's a clear run away upgrade, Maxi shouldn't be part of a trade.
3 and D C-PF types aren't exactly dime a dozen.
3 and D C-PF types that can keep up with wings are much rarer.
See what you can get with THJ-DP-Sterling-Burke. The upgrade wouldn't wow everyone, but I'm pretty sure THJ can get you something.
My hope is to retain the pick, Mavs need a chance to get lucky. I hope Green stays too, but I wouldn't be surprised if he is shipped out.
(05-07-2022, 07:24 AM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: [ -> ]Can we now stop including Maxi in trades?
Unless it's a clear run away upgrade, Maxi shouldn't be part of a trade.
Maxi has been unquestionably GREAT and one of the bright spots of the playoffs.....
BUT he is 30 going on 31, injury prone, and not necessarily consistent. I personally think you cash him in this summer if someone is enamored by his playoff run. That is just me. I get it if you keep him as well.
(05-07-2022, 07:15 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]I’d do this deal. Gobert is a star and highly impacts winning.
Absolutely this. Gobert would help you fight for the #1 seed every year IMO. THEN you figure it out in the playoffs. I get that the Jazz haven't figured it out with him, but that doesn't mean you give up on a player that is SO CLEARLY impactful on winning.
I am 500% out on any Gobert deal which involves future picks
(05-07-2022, 08:18 AM)Branduil Wrote: [ -> ]I am 500% out on any Gobert deal which involves future picks
Then you're out on any Gobert deal
(05-07-2022, 07:29 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Maxi has been unquestionably GREAT and one of the bright spots of the playoffs.....
BUT he is 30 going on 31, injury prone, and not necessarily consistent. I personally think you cash him in this summer if someone is enamored by his playoff run. That is just me. I get it if you keep him as well.
There would be a lot of great trade partners for Kleber in the middle of the first round.
Hornets #13
Cavs #14
Hornets #15
Hawks #16
Bulls #18
Wolves #19
All desperate win now teams with tight cap situations in need of a mobile defensive stretch 4/5. Though getting an additional first round pick by adding a bad salary + Kleber would be a great asset management, I just don´t think that´s how the Mavs operate.
(05-07-2022, 09:56 AM)Jmaciscool Wrote: [ -> ]Then you're out on any Gobert deal
Correct.
IMO, what the Mavs need to become perennial contenders, besides Luka and Brunson continuing to grow (obviously we must keep Brunson), are two starters. We need a legitimate starting center, ideally one who can play 5-out on offense and cover the perimeter as well as providing rim protection on D. Basically, we need the starter version of Maxi. Myles Turner is the obvious choice, but there are other guys who could work as well.
The other guy the Mavs need is a two-way scoring wing. Someone like Klay Thompson, or Jordan Poole, or Desmond Bane (oops), etc. So if we need a starter version of Maxi for our center we need a STAR version of Reggie for our wing.
(05-07-2022, 10:27 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]Hornets #13
Cavs #14
Hornets #15
Hawks #16
Bulls #18
Wolves #19
I think Maxi is way overvalued by Mavs fans. Yes, his last night was phenomenal. Problem is, this is the only game in the playoffs he played like that. So one in nine. He had another game where he couldn't miss a three and two more solid performances. The rest he was invisible. He is a third big. I am ok if they keep him but wouldn't share a tear if he is moved. He is expiring in his thirties.
I doubt any of the teams will see him as a starter and I doubt any team will pay a solid FRP for him. I think trades where we add assets for a better player are more realistic way of thinking.
Charlotte has a younger and arguably better version of Maxi in PJ Washington. You can perhaps get one of those picks if you take Hayward, but that is two years of risky contract and someone else besides Maxi going out. I would consider Maxi and THJ for Hayward and a pick though.
Cavs have Markkanen and Mobley at the position. We could also count Okoro. I fail to see why they would have a strong need for a PF.
Hawks want to upgrade. Maxi is not a starter, so they will be solving their starter problems first and the assets will go there.
Bulls have Williams at the position. Sure they could use a backup, but I don't see them paying that pick for that.
Wolves could use a guy like Maxi, but I guess their main effort will be to upgrade Russell or Vanderbilt. Maxi is not that.
(05-07-2022, 10:27 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]There would be a lot of great trade partners for Kleber in the middle of the first round.
Hornets #13
Cavs #14
Hornets #15
Hawks #16
Bulls #18
Wolves #19
All desperate win now teams with tight cap situations in need of a mobile defensive stretch 4/5. Though getting an additional first round pick by adding a bad salary + Kleber would be a great asset management, I just don´t think that´s how the Mavs operate.
This goes back to what I have been saying all along, Maxi is more valuable to us than what we would get for him in a trade. I doubt a team would actually give up a mid first for him, and I am not sure how much sense it makes for us to do that anyways? Are we not one of those cap strapped teams that want to win? We are already thin in the front court and even more so in the playoffs with Powell being near useless. The goal should be to bolster our frontcourt, not trade what we have away for a mid first.
I understand the desire to manage assets well, something this FO has always struggled with, but we are currently in the second round of the playoffs competing against the best team in the NBA. With Luka likely hitting another level as soon as next season, it does not feel like the time to step back in competitiveness for a moderate asset.
It does not help that our last pick in that range has not been a great result. I'm not really sure what Nico is going to bring to the draft room, but I am skeptical it changes all that much. Honestly I think the biggest value we got from Nellie was his eye for European talent and we might actually be worse now.
(05-07-2022, 10:46 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I think Maxi is way overvalued by Mavs fans. Yes, his last night was phenomenal. Problem is, this is the only game in the playoffs he played like that. So one in nine. He had another game where he couldn't miss a three and two more solid performances. The rest he was invisible. He is a third big. I am ok if they keep him but wouldn't share a tear if he is moved. He is expiring in his thirties.
I doubt any of the teams will see him as a starter and I doubt any team will pay a solid FRP for him. I think trades where we add assets for a better player are more realistic way of thinking.
Charlotte has a younger and arguably better version of Maxi in PJ Washington. You can perhaps get one of those picks if you take Hayward, but that is two years of risky contract and someone else besides Maxi going out. I would consider Maxi and THJ for Hayward and a pick though.
Cavs have Markkanen and Mobley at the position. We could also count Okoro. I fail to see why they would have a strong need for a PF.
Hawks want to upgrade. Maxi is not a starter, so they will be solving their starter problems first and the assets will go there.
Bulls have Williams at the position. Sure they could use a backup, but I don't see them paying that pick for that.
Wolves could use a guy like Maxi, but I guess their main effort will be to upgrade Russell or Vanderbilt. Maxi is not that.
One game? He´s averaging 12 PPG in the play-offs, shooting 57/50/69 with good defense and he´s on a cheap expiring contract. You might consider this a hot streak, but it´s not just one game.
Hawks would easily trade Kleber for Gallinari to upgrade huge defensively. Unfortunately our cap doesn´t allow that.
A Cavs trade could be centered around multiple players: Kevin Love, Collin Sexton, Cedi Osman.
The Bulls have a 140ish pay-roll after a Lavine extension. Kleber would immediately become their third rotational big behind Vucevic and Williams. Pretty good fit, too. They are in win now mode and I doubt they´d find as good a 3rd as Kleber in free agency. Wolves the same.
Spurs also have #20 and #25 and no PF on the roster at all. Maybe they´d be giving up a pick.
(05-07-2022, 07:29 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Maxi has been unquestionably GREAT and one of the bright spots of the playoffs.....
BUT he is 30 going on 31, injury prone, and not necessarily consistent. I personally think you cash him in this summer if someone is enamored by his playoff run. That is just me. I get it if you keep him as well.
Whaaaa??????
I thought Mavs’ view was that centers don’t come into their own until age 30? Maxi seems to be adding to his game, not declining. Gobert is only 1 year younger with more mileage on those tires.
Playoffs showing Mavs have 5 guys who can ball, in this order:
Luka
Jalen
Dorian
Maxi
Reggie
Nobody else is good enough. Yes, we need more. But quit trying to trade away our best players.
(05-07-2022, 12:04 PM)Jommybone Wrote: [ -> ]Playoffs showing Mavs have 5 guys who can ball, in this order:
Luka
Jalen
Dorian
Maxi
Reggie
Nobody else is good enough. Yes, we need more. But quit trying to trade away our best players.
Honestly if you are driving off playoff performance, you really need to put THJ on this list as well. He played well the prior two playoffs.
(05-07-2022, 12:59 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly if you are driving off playoff performance, you really need to put THJ on this list as well. He played well the prior two playoffs.
Agreed, lets not write THJ off. I could see him being a huge boost next year off the bench. Hopefully he will mesh with Dinwiddie and return to form without having to be in the starting lineup.
(05-07-2022, 05:44 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly the best trade I could find is something like THJ + Dinwiddie + Powell for Westbrook.
That might be the most horrific trade I've seen. Gotta add at least Luka or Brunson if you want the Lakers to take you serious.
(05-07-2022, 06:24 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]That might be the most horrific trade I've seen. Gotta add at least Luka or Brunson if you want the Lakers to take you serious.
At least include Bertans so it makes me think for a few seconds. lol