And I'm kind of torn on Golbert
That's going to take multiple first rounders to pull off and I'm not sure how much it helps in the final minutes of a big playoff game.
Like he absolutely raises our ceiling in the regular season and in the first say 43 minutes of a playoff game. But when the game really matters how much does he really help over Powell? In a lot of ways you could argue that Powell should play over him in a lot of those scenarios
(04-01-2022, 12:59 PM)Jym Wrote: [ -> ]And I'm kind of torn on Golbert
That's going to take multiple first rounders to pull off and I'm not sure how much it helps in the final minutes of a big playoff game.
Like he absolutely raises our ceiling in the regular season and in the first say 43 minutes of a playoff game. But when the game really matters how much does he really help over Powell? In a lot of ways you could argue that Powell should play over him in a lot of those scenarios
I'm with you. But, I think you have to pull the trigger if you can. I'm getting to the point where I trust Kidd and the others to make the right calculated risk with this stuff.
And, what if it
didn't take multiple first rounders? Would that make you feel better about it?
(04-01-2022, 01:05 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]And, what if it didn't take multiple first rounders? Would that make you feel better about it?
Yeah if it was basically just the "THJ, Maxi, and the pick" framework that I mentioned, I don't know how you can turn that down
Like it's a disappointment to me if that pairing doesn't win 60+ games
(04-01-2022, 12:59 PM)Jym Wrote: [ -> ]And I'm kind of torn on Golbert
That's going to take multiple first rounders to pull off and I'm not sure how much it helps in the final minutes of a big playoff game.
Like he absolutely raises our ceiling in the regular season and in the first say 43 minutes of a playoff game. But when the game really matters how much does he really help over Powell? In a lot of ways you could argue that Powell should play over him in a lot of those scenarios
Curious as to the point about Powell. I've seen enough of Gobert switching now to trust that he can do it, he's simply not asked to as much in Utah. I also feel that he would be wayyyyyy better as a lob threat here than he is in Utah because of Luka. Just kind of feels like he'd be a Powell upgrade on both ends.
(04-01-2022, 01:12 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]I've seen enough of Gobert switching now to trust that he can do it, he's simply not asked to as much in Utah.
I agree here. He's an underrated switcher. But, for how much longer? That's the issue, imo: Which will end first, his effectiveness or his super huge contract?
(04-01-2022, 01:14 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I agree here. He's an underrated switcher. But, for how much longer? That's the issue, imo: Which will end first, his effectiveness or his super huge contract?
Ya my biggest issue has always been the contract. The idea of paying Gobert 46 million at the age of 34....raises concerns to say the least. But I would say that you have a championship window opened if you retain the core of Luka/Brunson/Dimwiddie/Dorian/Bullock and add Gobert to that.
(04-01-2022, 01:16 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]The idea of paying Gobert 46 million at the age of 34
Exactly. How slow will his feet be by THEN?!
Not even saying it's a bad move...just needs some careful consideration, that's all.
(04-01-2022, 01:17 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly. How slow will his feet be by THEN?!
Not even saying it's a bad move...just needs some careful consideration, that's all.
I have a feeling the new CBA is also going to create some leeway in terms of managing these absurd contracts that got handed out over the past 5 years or so. Obviously not saying that we should rely on like an amnesty option or anything....just saying there's an obvious problem for the league right now and the chance to correct it is smack dab in the middle of his contract.
(04-01-2022, 12:59 PM)Jym Wrote: [ -> ]And I'm kind of torn on Golbert
That's going to take multiple first rounders to pull off and I'm not sure how much it helps in the final minutes of a big playoff game.
Like he absolutely raises our ceiling in the regular season and in the first say 43 minutes of a playoff game. But when the game really matters how much does he really help over Powell? In a lot of ways you could argue that Powell should play over him in a lot of those scenarios
Its super annoying how the modern Nba has diminished bigs. Gobert is clearly a stud and a much better individual player than Powell, but I share your concerns. I wouldn’t be sure if he’s even an upgrade in the last few minutes of a high profile playoff game. Just imagine him getting switched on someone like Booker/CP3/Steph out on the permiter possession after possession.
I‘d much rather blow our remaining trade ammunition on a two way wing/forward than another big.
(04-01-2022, 12:59 PM)Jym Wrote: [ -> ]And I'm kind of torn on Golbert
That's going to take multiple first rounders to pull off and I'm not sure how much it helps in the final minutes of a big playoff game.
Like he absolutely raises our ceiling in the regular season and in the first say 43 minutes of a playoff game. But when the game really matters how much does he really help over Powell? In a lot of ways you could argue that Powell should play over him in a lot of those scenarios
I mean, he is better than Powell at just about everything. Better offensive player, way better rebounder and defender. Whether its a key rebound, or block or whatever, I would much rather have Gobert out there. The contract is crazy, but I think the impact would be huge.
Not a fan of Rupert. I hope he stays in Utah where Luka can roast him year after year.
(04-01-2022, 01:28 PM)JamesConway912 Wrote: [ -> ]Its super annoying how the modern Nba has diminished bigs.
Interesting. Annoying, how?
There's more skill on the floor than at any other time in the sport's history, no?
(04-01-2022, 01:16 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]The idea of paying Gobert 46 million at the age of 34
That's a huge salary cap hit if you factor in Luka+JB+Gobert as the base.
If acquired this summer, Luka/SD/RB/Gobert/DFS is ~$113M in starting lineup salary. Bench with Bertans/One of DP or MK/Brunson adds another $48M-ish. This assumes THJ and the other of DP/MK is traded and Brunson is retained somewhere around $20M. That's ~$151M for your top 8 salaries.
With an aging Gobert on a Supermax that runs through 25/26 season. He'll be clogging up more than driving lanes at that point.
The only thing I question is what is Utah's plan if they were to move Gobert. If they traded him in a Mavs package, it is tough to see them as a contender anytime soon. Maybe you can argue they aren't a contender now, but in theory at least they look like a contender on paper. That opens up the question what happens with Mitchell. They want Mitchell to be a long timer in Utah but there has already been some whispers that he may want a bigger market. Even if he does not get along with Gobert, moving him for Hardaway, Maxi and picks probably accelerates the timeline he asks to be out. And Utah is not exactly a FA hot spot. So unless a Mitchell trade was coming and this is a full scale blowup, I fear another team could beat Dallas' offer. Would Atlanta throw Capella and a few youngsters?
This Mavs team looks scary good. This is the best Luka to date. Best DFS to date. Same with Brunson Same with Powell. An all-star that has found a suited place in Dinwidie that has something to prove. A great signing in Bullock. Most of all, the pieces work together, the sum is greater than the individual parts. Missing that big that dominates physically inside. But I believe Maxi will get his game back before playoffs.
Gobert is a good offensive player, he is not a volume scorer, nor will he create anything... but he is super efficient and surely puts up the best screens in the league... which would be especially valuable with Luka/Jalen/SD... I don't see how could we catch him certainly...
(04-01-2022, 02:17 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]The only thing I question is what is Utah's plan if they were to move Gobert. If they traded him in a Mavs package, it is tough to see them as a contender anytime soon. Maybe you can argue they aren't a contender now, but in theory at least they look like a contender on paper. That opens up the question what happens with Mitchell. They want Mitchell to be a long timer in Utah but there has already been some whispers that he may want a bigger market. Even if he does not get along with Gobert, moving him for Hardaway, Maxi and picks probably accelerates the timeline he asks to be out. And Utah is not exactly a FA hot spot. So unless a Mitchell trade was coming and this is a full scale blowup, I fear another team could beat Dallas' offer. Would Atlanta throw Capella and a few youngsters?
I think the coach leaves first for one of the rumored cities right after they lose 1st rd. Then Mitchell demands a trade. Gobert would just be an obvious dump after that. I wouldn’t give up more than 1 FRP though. That contract is massive and big men are all injury prone. It would probably be the best player we could add this summer though
(03-31-2022, 10:20 AM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]"I spoke with four NBA executives who told me they believe Myles Turner can still get a protected first-round pick outside the lottery if he’s traded this offseason. When I asked the executives which teams they believe could try and trade for him, the usual suspects came up, including Charlotte, Toronto and Dallas.... I know if he does get traded, Dallas would definitely be one that interests him personally because that’s his hometown team."
https://hoopshype.com/lists/pacers-rumor...cky-rubio/
Well duh.
Last 10 games
Goga Bitadze 16/7 with 2 blocks and 2 assists
Jalen Smith 13/8 with 1.5 blocks
plus a potential young lottery big.
Makes no sense to keep Turner, while rebuilding.
Even if Carlisle can convince the owner to go hopeless veteran play-in chasing next year, there is still the issue of his expiring contract.
In isolation I´d honestly rather have either of the young lads.
Since that won´t happen, I´m very open to Turner for THJ/Kleber.
It´s just painful to watch Maxi become the new Porzingis, the guy the opposing defense puts on ignore so they can play everybody else tight.
(04-01-2022, 02:25 PM)burekemde Wrote: [ -> ]This Mavs team looks scary good. This is the best Luka to date. Best DFS to date. Same with Brunson Same with Powell. An all-star that has found a suited place in Dinwidie that has something to prove. A great signing in Bullock. Most of all, the pieces work together, the sum is greater than the individual parts. Missing that big that dominates physically inside. But I believe Maxi will get his game back before playoffs.
They're scary good when they are engaged and making shots. This team needs total contributions from more than just two players consistently. I still think they're too dependent on Luka. I mean he's a monster, easily top 5 in the league currently. Who wouldn't hitch their wagon to him? The thing about this team is, they'll" shit the bed" every now and then like last night vs teams they're supposed to beat. Don't want to hear the B2B excuse, other teams play them too. Can't have that during the playoffs when B2B's won't come into play.