(04-28-2022, 07:02 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]But, I think we've talked about this enough to know that "that" guy who does all of the things Maxi and Powell can do well and rebound and team defend while also protecting the rim just doesn't exist. So, the center you trade for better be absolutely dominant at something. Otherwise, I'm not sure we can easily improve upon the diverse skills of the platoon we have.
I feel like you are overselling what we are getting from Powell and Maxi. Maxi is perfect defensively, but very limited offensively and struggles with big minutes. Powell is a defensive 4 that we are playing at the 5 out of necessity. Kidd is doing a great job making it work, but I think we would get more value from a true center who is mobile enough to play P&R defense. I feel like there have been several guys mentioned that would be more effective as a starting center, but still fit in Kidd's scheme (Capela, Turner, Collins, Holmes).
Right now the only frontcourt players Kidd trusts for significant minutes are Powell/Maxi/DFS. Powell and Maxi are better off in the low 20s minutes wise and all three are undersized. Even if you argue that someone like Holmes is not an upgrade, getting 28 minutes a game from someone like that allows Maxi to play some 4 and DFS to play some 3. It also helps to keep us from being screwed by an injury (which is common with Maxi).
(04-28-2022, 08:19 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]These are all the reasons I would look very hard to upgrade the team. Doesn't have to be a star, but a better center (Turner, Holmes and perhaps Wood would fit the prototype that would fit the Mavs system) and a big two way wing would certainly be among offseason goals for me.
I agree with a lot of this, but I have no idea how we would acquire a big two way wing? That is a very expensive commodity and we have limited assets. Personally, I think just getting a starting center would make a huge difference. That would allow you to play Maxi at the 4 more, which helps alleviate the crazy minutes for DFS/Bullock.
(04-28-2022, 09:33 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with a lot of this, but I have no idea how we would acquire a big two way wing? That is a very expensive commodity and we have limited assets. Personally, I think just getting a starting center would make a huge difference. That would allow you to play Maxi at the 4 more, which helps alleviate the crazy minutes for DFS/Bullock.
So, I’m not sure that big 2way wing is a realistic goal for this upcoming offseason, but that IMO should be a goal. I am in full agreement that a starting C would make a huge difference.
(04-28-2022, 10:14 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]So, I’m not sure that big 2way wing is a realistic goal for this upcoming offseason, but that IMO should be a goal. I am in full agreement that a starting C would make a huge difference.
What would be an example for non-star bigger two way wing?
Also a center good enough to start over Powell/Maxi and fitting our needs is a star himself.
My goal would be keeping Brunson,adding a 3rd Center and sending out Brown. And then let's see what's possible at the TDL
(04-28-2022, 10:59 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]1. What would be an example for non-star bigger two way wing?
2. Also a center good enough to start over Powell/Maxi and fitting our needs is a star himself.
My goal would be keeping Brunson,adding a 3rd Center and sending out Brown. And then let's see what's possible at the TDL
1. I don’t know many of the young players around the league, but my thought is a young Marcus Morris. Whether through draft or trade, I want that guy!
2. Agree to disagree.
(04-28-2022, 11:04 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]1. I don’t know many of the young players around the league, but my thought is a young Marcus Morris. Whether through draft or trade, I want that guy!
2. Agree to disagree.
If he is our draft pick, I'm fine. I just don't think this player even exists.
Everybody thinking we will add another star will be disappointed.
(04-28-2022, 10:59 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]What would be an example for non-star bigger two way wing?
Also a center good enough to start over Powell/Maxi and fitting our needs is a star himself.
My goal would be keeping Brunson,adding a 3rd Center and sending out Brown. And then let's see what's possible at the TDL
Guys like Capela, Turner and Collins would be clear upgrades at center and are not stars. Powell is starting at center in the playoffs and getting 5 points, 4 rebounds and half a block a game while not bringing elite defense. That is easily upgradable without getting a star.
I agree the two-way wing is a lot more difficult.
(04-28-2022, 10:59 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]What would be an example for non-star bigger two way wing?
A couple examples that perhaps could be available:
Jerami Grant
PJ Washington, although I think Charlotte will keep him.
Marcus Morris was mentioned to be on the block and would bring a bit of what Mavs lack
Tobias Harris if Philly would be looking for a lower salary shooter like THJ
(04-28-2022, 12:09 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Tobias Harris if Philly would be looking for a lower salary shooter like THJ
Nothing excites me about Tobias. He seems to shrink the brighter the lights get.
(04-28-2022, 12:11 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Nothing excites me about Tobias. He seems to shrink the brighter the lights get.
You can't have good and cheap. Harris is not perfect, but he is a very solid player. So basically he fits that non star description perfectly. He is paid like a star, which is why he should be cheap to get. He is also very solid in playoffs this season (and was also last season. Not sure he really shrinks).
I am afraid that once you get Tobias to Dallas there would be longing for the contributions of KP.
Truth of the matter is Jalen has played any further overpaid options out of contention. So anyone who makes more than THJ + Powell combined is going to be prohibitive due to the Lux Tax.
Now as a backup plan to losing Jalen, then that opens the pocket book a little bit.
(04-28-2022, 12:09 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]A couple examples that perhaps could be available:
Jerami Grant
PJ Washington, although I think Charlotte will keep him.
Marcus Morris was mentioned to be on the block and would bring a bit of what Mavs lack
Tobias Harris if Philly would be looking for a lower salary shooter like THJ
Don't think Marcus Morris fits this role anymore. He no longer has the D.
Tobias has never been a particularly good defender. He is a scorer. Would not call him 2 way.
(04-28-2022, 11:04 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]1. I don’t know many of the young players around the league, but my thought is a young Marcus Morris. Whether through draft or trade, I want that guy!
2. Agree to disagree.
I would suggest PJ Washington that Omahen proposed is probably the closest thing to a young Marcus Morris starter kit.
(04-28-2022, 12:19 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]You can't have good and cheap.
Who said anything about this. Harris might be good but he's the opposite of cheap. Pretty sure he missed a game winning bunny in this playoff series.
(04-28-2022, 12:36 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]PJ Washington
I am affraid his strong second half of the season will make Charlotte put him as one of cornerstones of their future. He was a bit redundant as long as they were playing Hayward. But I guess he will be the one on the move now.
(04-28-2022, 11:56 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]Guys like Capela, Turner and Collins would be clear upgrades at center and are not stars. Powell is starting at center in the playoffs and getting 5 points, 4 rebounds and half a block a game while not bringing elite defense. That is easily upgradable without getting a star.
I agree the two-way wing is a lot more difficult.
I won't argue Collins is the dream, but to me he is a "star" and paid like one.
Capela and Turner might be better players than Powell/Maxi but I just can't see them fitting our approach of aggressive team defense and pick&roll, heliocentric and 5-out offense.
I would try to solve any issues with the bigger end of the roster in June by
1 drafting Mark Williams if he's available
2 if not, perhaps trade for Holmes (if he's considered 'desirable' by Mavs - not certain he is), in a salary-dump deal for SAC with Brown/Chriss outgoing
3 or I might inquire re Gobert, but the UT ask is probably going to be way more than I'd offer in light of his limitations and contract (something like THJ-Powell).
(04-28-2022, 01:02 PM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]I won't argue Collins is the dream, but to me he is a "star" and paid like one.
Capela and Turner might be better players than Powell/Maxi but I just can't see them fitting our approach of aggressive team defense and pick&roll, heliocentric and 5-out offense.
I'm not sure 23 mil is "star" money. That is neighborhood of what we will pay Brunson. Stars get the max.
If Capela and Turner don't fit this defense, then you are not looking for a center at all. I think in the long run the tradeoffs are better playing a mobile defensive center instead of playing a defensive 4 at the center position.
(04-28-2022, 01:02 PM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]I won't argue Collins is the dream, but to me he is a "star" and paid like one.
Capela and Turner might be better players than Powell/Maxi but I just can't see them fitting our approach of aggressive team defense and pick&roll, heliocentric and 5-out offense.
I don’t see how you can think that about Turner. He’s a rich man’s Maxi Kleber.
(04-28-2022, 09:27 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I feel like you are overselling what we are getting from Powell and Maxi. I feel like there have been several guys mentioned that would be more effective as a starting center, but still fit in Kidd's scheme (Capela, Turner, Collins, Holmes).
Maybe. Or maybe others are overselling how realistic Capela, Turner, Collins and Holmes are or how realistic it is for Cuban to take on even more money. Note, I didn’t say I don’t want us to add a center (or a good defensive wing for that matter). I said I’m starting to think it won’t happen. I totally agree Powell behind Turner would be fantastic. I totally agree that Maxi behind DFS would be fantastic. Is it realistic to make $16mm Bertans a zero-minutes 5th big? Fine with me as it isn’t my money. But, I’m dubious it happens in the real world.
As a thought exercise, if I could pretend there weren’t 31 other teams and money wasn’t an obstacle, I’d probably pick Turner over the other three as he defends and hits 3’s where Capela, Collins and Holmes only do one of those. Since I’m in fantasy land, I’d trade THJ for him with #26. That firms the C/PF rotation with Turner/Powell/DFS and Maxi. Bullock and Josh (top 25% in D-EPM and as a PNR defender and he’s still a baby) would be fine with me at the three and I’m good with the three guards taking the 1–2 minutes.
I think people spend way too much time working about expiring Brown, Burke and Boban. The killer is coming up with a way to move THJ and Bertans and add talent at the same time. MAYBE you can construct something with some draft capital to move one of them. Both? I doubt it. So, if you can’t move both, do you bring in someone who marginalizes the future value of the player you are stuck with (making it even more difficult to move these guys)? I see the need/desire to add talent. I’m just not sure it happens this summer.