(05-22-2022, 02:35 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Rich Paul.
I am convinced there are additional money flows with his deals, either legal (advertising contracts) or more under the table sort. Just so many unlogical signatures when he wants to make things happen. Just two of recent examples: Monk and Nunn were likely worth more, but they signed for Lakers.
Monk was coming off a season where he violated the NBA's drug policy for cocaine and played ok for a tanking Charlotte team. Nunn definitely took a discount, but I don't know how much of a discount given the fact there are several backup guards that took less than Nunn.
In either case it doesn't matter what Rich Paul has done to make Lebron teams better, Rich Paul works for Zach Lavine and is obligated to put Lavine in the best situation for himself. Zach wants to make the most money possible while winning. Lakers cannot offer either objectively. Of course it is possible that there is some far off scenario where several NBA teams go out of their way to help the Lakers sign Zach all the while making themselves worse. I just don't think it's likely. And even if it were to happen, the Lakers aren't any better off in my mind as Lavine/AD/Lebron+9 minimum guys isn't that good of a team.
I think Lavine is just making sure Chicago maxes him. Out of the teams listed, the only realistic ones are the Hawks and Mavs in my mind, and I think only the Hawks really have a shot.
It's real money, and that matters, whether you want to accept it or not.
The examples you give from OKC didn't really involve OKC eating actual money, which is why the price seems fairly modest. It was money that they were going to pay for being under the minimum, but instead paid to the player(s) they added. But that outlay was able to be worked into their budget while rebuilding with a very cheap roster.
OTOH, if they now took on RW, their extra room is already spent, so they would have to write a massive check and would probably even be a taxpayer. All of which is why you shouldn't plan on OKC having any interest in taking RW.
Who is this "experienced writer" who you are saying is floating this as a likelihood, and exactly what did he say?
Question. There has been a lot of discussion in this thread about pursuing Gobert in the off-season. Would Gobert have made a difference in the outcomes of the first 2 games in this GS series?
Or would he have been played off the floor by GS going small?
with Gobert...Looney wouldn't have a race night that's for sure...the whole narrative about Rudy being taken off the track in Playoff, I don't buy it...I think Jazz's terrible outside defense is exposed in Playoff. . Gobert may be limited on offense, but he's a defensive monster that changes the opposition's offense. I also think he would fit perfectly in the Mavs.. Luka/Brunson/Bullock/DFS/Rudy.. He wins the ring this year(in my opinion)...the question is if you want to pay him $46 when he's 34
Mavs must use their 1st-round pick to upgrade at starting center. Whether that's drafting a big or through a trade, there are a variety of options but they must succeed at one of them.
Backup wing is much easier. Just go get Batum.
(05-22-2022, 11:15 PM)Branduil Wrote: [ -> ]Mavs must use their 1st-round pick to upgrade at starting center. Whether that's drafting a big or through a trade, there are a variety of options but they must succeed at one of them.
Backup wing is much easier. Just go get Batum.
Really not in love with any of the prospects who will be available at 26. I hope they trade it as well. Turner+Batum and a healthy THJ isn't a bad offseason at all.
Playmakers: Luka, JB, Dinwiddie
Wings: DFS, Bullock
Stretch Bigs: Maxi
Roll Bigs:
End of Rotation youngins: Green, Ntilikina, Pick #26
Wasted roster spots: Burke, Brown, Boban
Bloated Salary: Bertans, Powell, THJ
Other Avenues: TPE, TP MLE
Somehow have to use the bottom four categories to add to the top 4 categories. Nico has a big offseason ahead.
Mavs need a rim protecting, rebounding, switchable big who is decent as a stretch big.
If the Mavs need 2 players to get those roles, they should.
If DP isn't shipped out, just make him the third string C.
And even with DP, the need isn't just for 1 big.
Mavs can't go by 2 bigs with Maxi being the other one.
They need at least 3 rotation bigs in the play-offs.
(05-22-2022, 11:18 PM)loki Wrote: [ -> ]Really not in love with any of the prospects who will be available at 26. I hope they trade it as well. Turner+Batum and a healthy THJ isn't a bad offseason at all.
I am okay with Jaylin Williams if we cannot find a trade. His offensive game doesn't exist right now but he plays our style of defense, rebounds, and takes charges. And he at least has the potential to become 3&D a few seasons from now.
From a veteran standpoint, I think there are some positive things to look forward to. With the Mavs exceeding expectations in the playoffs, maybe we can get in line for contributors looking to compete for a ring. Nico and Kidd also almost certainly better recruiters than Donnie and Rick.
(05-22-2022, 03:13 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]Who is this "experienced writer" who you are saying is floating this as a likelihood, and exactly what did he say?
Already told both
Jaylin Williams or any big from the draft isn't enough.
Have to get another thru trade or TP-MLE.
Doesn't have to be someone who can wow you, but a decent one who can actually play in the play-offs would be better.
A combo should be made: one needs to shoot from 3, the other can rebound, rim-run and protect the paint. One should be switchable and the other not-so-bad.
Jaylin + Boucher
Kessler + Boucher
Jaylin + Holmes
Jaylin + Muscala
Jaylin + Olynyk
I'm not including Washington or Hayes since they would most likely cost the Mavs the pick. A pick swap is all you can hope for for them.
Kamagate is another one to consider if Jaylin and Kessler aren't available.
(05-22-2022, 11:27 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]From a veteran standpoint, I think there are some positive things to look forward to. With the Mavs exceeding expectations in the playoffs, maybe we can get in line for contributors looking to compete for a ring. Nico and Kidd also almost certainly better recruiters than Donnie and Rick.
Yes and some of our assets might be more desireable in trades now than before the playoff run. Unless GS made us pumpkins again.
(05-22-2022, 05:13 PM)rocky164 Wrote: [ -> ]Question. There has been a lot of discussion in this thread about pursuing Gobert in the off-season. Would Gobert have made a difference in the outcomes of the first 2 games in this GS series?
Or would he have been played off the floor by GS going small?
Gobert would be a difference maker. Right now the Mavs are playing 4 on 5. They have no rim protection. And Looney is good enough to stop Powell from rim running. Gobert would stop all of that. And it would be easier on the offense since Looney wouldn't be running free grabbing rebounds and getting putbacks.
I want no part of Lavine. Lavine is empty stats and nothing more. He is a bunch of empty stats with an ACL tear waiting to happen. No thanks at any price.
Part of the difficulty next year is that we have next to no assets to improve with. We can't really give up any of the core six (Luka, Brunson, DFS, Maxi, Bullock, Dinwiddie) because we just don't have enough bodies right now. We have the 26th pick, the tax MLE, a TPE, and a few expiring contracts. Maybe THJ is still appealing to the right team. We absolutely have to maximize those assets to get a starting center and backup wing.
(05-22-2022, 11:27 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Already told both
If you're talking of Hollinger, it was just one thought among many he tossed out there in a by the way fashion, of what OKC might do with their space, rather than an analysis that taking RW was likely or on the burner.
Again, I'm extremely skeptical of the likelihood of that option at that price, in light of the wasted money (real dollars) it would cost the OKC owners. Prior moves cost them nothing in real dollars, which no one seems to have noticed while Presti played around with contracts and accumulated picks for the future. Flushing $47M (adding a player, to waive him) is big money.
You may be right in thinking otherwise, that it's a cheap, easy, likely idea.
I do not - I think the price demanded would be high, and LAL will keep RW because they won't want to pay to through the nose to dump him. I also think OKC's willingness to take on contracts in June will prove to be at a much lower level than that, and they will demand a much higher price than previously if they do any of it. We'll see soon.
--- If OKC is wheeling and dealing as cheap as you say in June, I am more interested in how there might be a play for the Mavs there, not LAL. Their 2nd pick, #12, feels enticing. Swapping out a bad contract or 2 feels enticing. Micic seems enticing. Favors might fill a need here, and/or a backup wing. How much of that can you do where it's still a better value for OKC than gagging down RW's 47M waiver?
BTW, for the record OKC extracted quite a bit more in taking on Horford than you are saying, as they 1) got a FRP (#16) like you said, but also got 2) a very high high 2nd, close to a FRP, to pick Maledon, 3) the rights to Micic (the 2 time Euro MVP who many teams apparently want), and 4) a player in Horford that they figured they could flip later and pick up another FRP (which they did). The value was about like 4 FRPs, not just 1. But most of all, for all of that they spent $0 extra cash out of pocket to net any of that, which I believe was a very big part of their internal thinking. What they do with their cap room in June will be a good test of that, since they have now used up all their free contractual cash that they could spend with no net cost to them.
(05-23-2022, 03:22 AM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]If you're talking of Hollinger, it was just one thought among many he tossed out there in a by the way fashion, of what OKC might do with their space, rather than an analysis that taking RW was likely or on the burner.
I never said he said it was a rumor or something like that. I clearly said it is an idea. However, you might use it as an indicator of salary cap space price coming from experienced writer.
(05-23-2022, 03:22 AM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]BTW, for the record OKC extracted quite a bit more in taking on Horford than you are saying, as they 1) got a FRP (#16) like you said, but also got 2) a very high high 2nd, close to a FRP, to pick Maledon, 3) the rights to Micic (the 2 time Euro MVP who many teams apparently want), and 4) a player in Horford that they figured they could flip later and pick up another FRP (which they did). The value was about like 4 FRPs, not just 1. But most of all, for all of that they spent $0 extra cash out of pocket to net any of that, which I believe was a very big part of their internal thinking. What they do with their cap room in June will be a good test of that, since they have now used up all their free contractual cash that they could spend with no net cost to them.
There is also an aspect of the buyout, that might not cost OKC the full 47 mil. I really don't know what WB market value is, but I would assume it should be MLE level. Than the buyout would cost only 37 mil.
Or if we put it the other way - how much would WB leave on the table to play for a competitive team? Griffin, for example, left 13 mil on the table.
(05-23-2022, 03:22 AM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]--- If OKC is wheeling and dealing as cheap as you say in June, I am more interested in how there might be a play for the Mavs there, not LAL. Their 2nd pick, #12, feels enticing. Swapping out a bad contract or 2 feels enticing. Micic seems enticing. Favors might fill a need here, and/or a backup wing. How much of that can you do where it's still a better value for OKC than gagging down RW's 47M waiver?
I am sure a lot of swaps are possible with them. Were you thinking something in the line of Burke, Brown, whatever for Favors? I don't see any other bad contract on their roster. I am not really impressed by Favors any more, he has several bad seasons behind him. Not sure he can turn it around in a better environment.
I am not in favour of paying assets just to dump Bertans. I am only interested in trades that improve the roster. Bertans is 30 mil cheaper next season than WB, but will clog the salary cap fro two more seasons when the team might actually want it. That is why I think the price of dumping Bertans is similar or even higher than price of dumping WB.
I am affraid I don't understand how would we be getting the #12 pick from them?