On Lavine-to-LA, the idea that he would take less than the max is not consistent with everything he has said he is expecting. Reportedly, he thinks he has been underpaid, and is of the belief he deserves and will get every last penny available this time. He wants a max deal. He has earned it. It's a really big deal to him.
CHI can put 5 yrs 212M on the table (and is expected to do so).
In your planned scenario, LAL wouldn't be able to even offer him a max deal. In fact, none of the teams being mentioned seem like someone with a realistic way to entice him - some (like DAL) are just as absurd of an idea financially as LA.
And you think he's still headed to LA? I don't. I think LA is at most just a smokescreen for him to ensure he will get what he wants from CHI, or some writers sharing speculations (by Ball and others) on a slow news day.
(05-23-2022, 05:07 AM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]On Lavine-to-LA, the idea that he would take less than the max is not consistent with everything he has said he is expecting. Reportedly, he thinks he has been underpaid, and is of the belief he deserves and will get every last penny available this time. He wants a max deal. He has earned it. It's a really big deal to him.
CHI can put 5 yrs 212M on the table (and is expected to do so).
In your planned scenario, LAL wouldn't be able to even offer him a max deal. In fact, none of the teams being mentioned seem like someone with a realistic way to entice him - some (like DAL) are just as absurd of an idea financially as LA.
And you think he's still headed to LA? I don't. I think LA is at most just a smokescreen for him to ensure he will get what he wants from CHI, or some writers sharing speculations (by Ball and others) on a slow news day.
I think you are right but then again teams seem to bend over backwards to help out LA more often than not so you can't ever rule out the Lakers pulling a rabbit out of a hat.
(05-23-2022, 01:23 AM)Branduil Wrote: [ -> ]Part of the difficulty next year is that we have next to no assets to improve with. We can't really give up any of the core six (Luka, Brunson, DFS, Maxi, Bullock, Dinwiddie) because we just don't have enough bodies right now. We have the 26th pick, the tax MLE, a TPE, and a few expiring contracts. Maybe THJ is still appealing to the right team. We absolutely have to maximize those assets to get a starting center and backup wing.
I agree with this for the most part. I could still see Powell being a regular season starter though.
At the very least, sign Muscala for cheap and he will be an upgrade to Powell. Kleber is the real starter anyway...even though him playing big minutes is not ideal. At least Muscala would help cut into those minutes.
(05-23-2022, 10:05 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with this for the most part. I could still see Powell being a regular season starter though.
Gross.
GSW only has 8 players under contract for next season. The top 4 salaries total ~$147MM.
Not under contract are Looney, Iguodala, Porter, Bjelica, Lee, GP II. Highest current salary among that group is Looney at ~$5.2MM, everybody else is under $3MM.
To me, GSW will be limited in who they can sign and for how much. I know it's painful right now, but are there any candidates we would be interested in picking off to improve the DAL roster?
(05-23-2022, 11:22 AM)michaeltex Wrote: [ -> ]GSW only has 8 players under contract for next season. The top 4 salaries total ~$147MM.
Not under contract are Looney, Iguodala, Porter, Bjelica, Lee, GP II. Highest current salary among that group is Looney at ~$5.2MM, everybody else is under $3MM.
To me, GSW will be limited in who they can sign and for how much. I know it's painful right now, but are there any candidates we would be interested in picking off to improve the DAL roster?
Looney, GPII, and Porter.
(05-23-2022, 11:27 AM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: [ -> ]Looney, GPII, and Porter.
Looney may have played himself out of our price range, sadly.
(05-23-2022, 11:30 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Looney may have played himself out of our price range, sadly.
He´s averaging 6/7 with 0.3 blocks in these play-offs. He´s just not Dwight Powell. An argument I have made many times. There are literally hundreds of centers that can catch a basketball and dunk it into an empty basket, which is Dwight Powell during the regular season. Many of them are paid NBA minimum level wages in the NBA or elsewhere. Yet parts of this fanbase have us convinced that it´s impossible to find a center that can set screens, reasonably move his feet, while not having any shooting, rebounding, passing or shot-blocking ability. Outside of the overall FG% Powell´s career numbers are inferior to Pokusevski´s first two years in the league.
We can easily upgrade the C position via free agency and the draft. Robin Lopez/Bismack Biyombo minimum, Hartenstein/Smith/Bryant (taxpayer MLE) and Koloko/Liddell/Williams (draft/additional pick). Draft Wendell Moore. Replace Burke, Powell, Boban, Chriss.
Doncic, Dinwiddie, Ntilikina
Brunson, THJ, Brown
Bullock, Moore, Green
DFS, Kleber, Bertans, Chriss
Hartenstein, Biyombo, Koloko
That´s something that can easily be achieved this summer.
Then the big question becomes whether we can make the big Robin trade, but that´s a matter of opportunity. Maybe Lavine is there rlght now. Maybe Portland realizes in sixth months that it´s over and trades Lillard. Maybe Beal has enough of Porzingis in 12 months.
Boban needs to go too. Waste of $3.5M roster space. There's gotta be a G-League castoff big desperate to make an NBA roster who brings more to the table.
Powell being on the team next year would be a disappointment. At the very least, there better be trade rumors this summer of dumping him. I want to know they at least tried because lets face it, it's a tough sell.
Thoughts on Josh Green, trade piece or is year 3 his "big" jump?
- I always said when he got drafted, it would take until year 3 to see something out of him. Despite that, I am starting to be weary on his development. I prefer him over Ntilikina, for what it's worth.
And how about Spencer Dinwiddie?
- Career inefficient chucker who can pass. He is about to turn 30 and tore both his left/right ACL; big contract on the books too. Sell high or hold onto him? I lean towards selling high assuming THJ is back.
Re: Josh vs Frank. Just my eye test but I always see Frank's defense as more impactful. Josh seems more comfortable with the ball in his hands. Frank is willing to take (and miss) open shots and Josh looks like a deer in the headlights. Both are young and cheap, unlikely to get any value in return and more useful than most of the rest of the bench.
Dinwiddie being a no show for the majority of the playoffs is concerning. I'm not sure what value you can return for him. His last year is only partially guaranteed but it is still $10m.
Powell and Boban will be here to start next season. Powell's expiring might be useful at the TDL.
(05-23-2022, 12:25 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Re: Josh vs Frank. Just my eye test but I always see Frank's defense as more impactful. Josh seems more comfortable with the ball in his hands. Frank is willing to take (and miss) open shots and Josh looks like a deer in the headlights. Both are young and cheap, unlikely to get any value in return and more useful than most of the rest of the bench.
Dinwiddie being a no show for the majority of the playoffs is concerning. I'm not sure what value you can return for him. His last year is only partially guaranteed but it is still $10m.
Powell and Boban will be here to start next season. Powell's expiring might be useful at the TDL.
Dinwiddie is giving the Mavs the typcial THJ inconsistency right now. Overall his numbers aren´t even that bad. 14ppg 56% TS. But it is the typical two great games/four bad games split.
If the opportunity arises to move on of them the Mavs should do it. Redundant roles.
Woul definitely keep Frank and Josh. Both have close to zero value. Solid 11th-12th bench pieces right now. With the potential to be more in the future.
Boban has no on court value but will stay as the team mascot. Chemistry guy.
Brown, Burke and Chriss are on my "get rid of list". Create a roster spot for the first round pick and potentially for a tax-player MLE guy. Also wouldn´t be suprised if they want to keep Pinson. Listening to the staff and Nico they seem to value his contribution.
(05-23-2022, 01:29 PM)Hypermav Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.theringer.com/2022/5/23/2313...uka-doncic
Good article. One thing to point out is that last summer players like Hartenstein/Jalen Smith were very available in the last 12 months and we opted for WCS/Boban instead, previously Jarrett Allen or Daniel Gafford. These younger options are there all the time, but we just love our old veteran farts in blue. As the article suggests this won´t be fixed in one summer. It´s time for a plan 2024.
(05-23-2022, 12:41 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Dinwiddie is giving the Mavs the typcial THJ inconsistency right now. Overall his numbers aren´t even that bad. 14ppg 56% TS. But it is the typical two great games/four bad games split.
If the opportunity arises to move on of them the Mavs should do it. Redundant roles.
I don't see them as redundant. THJ can't create off the dribble or run the pick and roll like Dinwiddie. I guess they're similar in their inconsistency and poor defense. I could understand not wanting both on the floor together for those reasons, but I think they have completely different roles.
(05-23-2022, 12:07 PM)Fuerza1 Wrote: [ -> ]Thoughts on Josh Green, trade piece or is year 3 his "big" jump?
- I always said when he got drafted, it would take until year 3 to see something out of him. Despite that, I am starting to be weary on his development. I prefer him over Ntilikina, for what it's worth.
And how about Spencer Dinwiddie?
- Career inefficient chucker who can pass. He is about to turn 30 and tore both his left/right ACL; big contract on the books too. Sell high or hold onto him? I lean towards selling high assuming THJ is back.
I feel like inefficient chucker who can pass is not really a good assessment of Din. He is a quality playmaker that can get to the rim. He is not a great three point shooter, but he does pull the trigger when necessary (an issue a lot of our role players have) and there is reason to believe that his percentages will be better here as he plays more off ball.
All that being said, I don't think folks are going to read too much into his small sample stint in Dallas, and his year as a whole is worse than most of his Brooklyn years. Like everyone else listed above (Green, Frank, THJ) I don't think he has much value in trade right now other than salary matching.
I don't get why people are so down in Dinwiddie. He's been playing very well to me. Stats are going to be inconsistent when you're playing the 6th man role. Poole wasn't really able to get much going last game: better focused defense on his drives, some foul trouble, game script etc after a dominating 1st 2. Dinwiddie came in at the trade deadline and picked up this team's scheme pretty well in a few months all things considered.
He's back to regular season form after a tough 1st 2 matchups by blowing by and finishing over a weaker big like Looney. Not sure why it took this long, maybe some carryover from the previous 2 series where his drive wasn't as effective. Ok so with playoff intensity/scouting where the other team sags way off of him and has the best rim protector in the entire world, he's not as efficient as he normally is on drives. He's hitting 3s very well which he needs to do if they sag off so much, and still serves his ball handler role. I don't think you can get rid of Dinwiddie unless there's a 3rd playmaker brought in to replace that role.
(05-23-2022, 01:29 PM)Hypermav Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.theringer.com/2022/5/23/2313...uka-doncic
I remember after the Mavs were down 2-0 (and it was ugly) to the Suns, there was a quality article about how this was a learning experience and hopefully they can sneak in a game or two and get some good learning experience. I'm not holding out a ton of hope, but it would be great if this article ages as poorly as that last one did.
I think most will agree Dallas has to continue to look for a big move. They need to be patient though. Also sometimes the best move is not the obvious big ticket move. Teams who are desperate and make a desperate trade typically don’t work. When Dallas makes that big move, it needs to work.
I am not sure if this is possible as a whole or even each move is possible, but would you be ok with these moves? Let’s say it takes Josh Green, maxi Kleber, Dwight Powell and two future picks plus a pick swap. Let’s say in this hypothetical, Dallas keeps this years first.
They acquire EJ Liddell, Nic Batam and Myles Turner. Is that team ready to compete? Could it compete for the next 4 years? Would it be better to wait for another move?