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(06-18-2022, 09:28 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]I'd do either on a one-year minimum.

But I suspect there's not enough minutes to interest either of them, as a 3rd-string center who only plays in somewhat of an emergency (to bang with a bigger center, or in case of injury to Wood or Kleber). Last season McGee got about 16 mpg and played almost every game, and Drummond about 20 mpg, and both played almost every game. Players want to play, not sit.

The more I think about it, the more I figure they are probably about set at C, unless they can swap Powell for just the right combo of ability, patience, big-ball skills, and healthiness. Might be a tough guy to find.

I don’t disagree that they may be done but with Kleber’s injury history and Powell’s playoff run… It looks really bleak after Wood in the depth chart.

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Additionally, after looking at your proposed depth chart the glaring eye sore is Bertans. I see almost no role for him and can’t imagine Cuban wanting to pay the tax on that salary. He could be the next domino to fall!

(06-18-2022, 09:28 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]The more I think about it, the more I figure they are probably about set at C, unless they can swap Powell for just the right combo of ability, patience, big-ball skills, and healthiness. Might be a tough guy to find.

Then I look at the list of unrestricted free agent (UFA) centers, and see that the 2021-22 salary of EVERY ONE of them except for 3 (Nurkic, Ibaka, Bryant) was less than Mavs' txMLE. So that leaves me thinking the Mavs can perhaps afford almost any of them they want ... which is intriguing.

(06-18-2022, 09:38 PM)Smitty Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t disagree that they may be done but with Kleber’s injury history and Powell’s playoff run… It looks really bleak after Wood in the depth chart.

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Additionally, after looking at your proposed depth chart the glaring eye sore is Bertans. I see almost no role for him and can’t imagine Cuban wanting to pay the tax on that salary. He could be the next domino to fall!

Bertans is likely untradeable this year. Furthermore, I wouldn't agree he has NO role. It's an end of the bench role, but it clearly exists, as we can see with him playing playoff minutes and actually being a positive much of the time. There will be times we need his stretch shooting, especially if we end up trading THJ.

Mavs get Cristian Wood and all of a sudden, the C is set.
Alright, the small ball C might be set but Mavs are still pretty short on bigs.

Let's see what they have:

Wood - Capable of pulling off 10 rebounds per outing, but can be bullied by stronger forwards and Cs. Will probably give up 15 rebounds an average for the likes of Embid, Jokic and Gobert.
Maxi - Staying behind the 3 point line, understandably limits his rebounding, and he is better guarding against big wings than stronger taller Cs.
DP - well... he only counts in the regular season. And even so, does a poor job on the boards.
Bertans - I really don't count him as a big. He is just a tall shooter, not much else. Spot minutes in PF is ok, as if the Mavs have any choice anyway.

So, Mavs only have 2 bigs. And these 2 aren't even very big to begin with. Mavs still need at least one PF or C. If you think DFS and Bullock were over worked wait until you see Wood and Maxi get battered. And the Mavs better hope Maxi holds up or they'll be down with just Wood.

Would prefer to have DP and/or THJ shipped out for this 3rd big, but if no ones bites on this then TP-MLE is the way to go. But I'd even be happy with a rookie being the the third string PF/C. You'll never know if the rook might be usable than DP or Bertans.

Bottom line: Just get another big. Even a slight injury for either during the play-offs spells imminent doom.

I agree that one more big would be nice, in terms of an actual big who can rebound, shot-block, and defend the post. I wouldn't spend the MLE on them though, either a minimum signing or trading for one would do the trick. It would need to be someone okay with spot minutes barring injury.

Generally those kinds of vet bigs have become quite cheap, so I think someone will be available.

(06-19-2022, 12:25 AM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: [ -> ]Mavs get Cristian Wood and all of a sudden, the C is set.
Alright, the small ball C might be set but Mavs are still pretty short on bigs.

Let's see what they have:

Wood - Capable of pulling off 10 rebounds per outing, but can be bullied by stronger forwards and Cs. Will probably give up 15 rebounds an average for the likes of Embid, Jokic and Gobert.
Maxi - Staying behind the 3 point line, understandably limits his rebounding, and he is better guarding against big wings than stronger taller Cs.
DP - well... he only counts in the regular season. And even so, does a poor job on the boards.
Bertans - I really don't count him as a big. He is just a tall shooter, not much else. Spot minutes in PF is ok, as if the Mavs have any choice anyway.

So, Mavs only have 2 bigs. And these 2 aren't even very big to begin with. Mavs still need at least one PF or C. If you think DFS and Bullock were over worked wait until you see Wood and Maxi get battered. And the Mavs better hope Maxi holds up or they'll be down with just Wood.

Would prefer to have DP and/or THJ shipped out for this 3rd big, but if no ones bites on this then TP-MLE is the way to go. But I'd even be happy with a rookie being the the third string PF/C. You'll never know if the rook might be usable than DP or Bertans.

Bottom line: Just get another big. Even a slight injury for either during the play-offs spells imminent doom.

The only bigs that count (in Kidds eyes) are the ones that have quick feet and can also stay on the perimeter. That's why the Gobert's and Jokic's are never in the Finals. What they add with rebounds and inside play they tend to lose on the perimeter, or at least some of it. Teams find ways to target them in the playoffs, not as much during regular season. We have a big in Boban, but his inability to move around in the quick Kidd defense, made him unplayable.

(06-19-2022, 12:04 AM)Branduil Wrote: [ -> ]Bertans is likely untradeable this year. Furthermore, I wouldn't agree he has NO role. It's an end of the bench role, but it clearly exists, as we can see with him playing playoff minutes and actually being a positive much of the time. There will be times we need his stretch shooting, especially if we end up trading THJ.

That’s why I said with the proposed depth chart... With a healthy THJ there is no role (extremely limited or virtually nonexistent to be more precise) as I want Green to get all of the minutes before Bertans would. Also, I’m not speaking on his trade value rather the cost to Cuban for keeping him is borderline astronomical for his ‘limited’ role.

Signed, a fan of Bertans play.

(06-18-2022, 09:05 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]                           REGULARS                              DEEP BACKUP/DEVELOP

BIGS  (48 mins)        Wood,     Kleber                    Powell

CREATOR (96 mins)  Luka
                                             Dinwiddie               Dragic
                              Brunson
                                                                                                                   PLAYER 15
WING (96 mins)       DFS                                        Bertans
                                               THJ
                              Bullock                                   Green, Franky, Pinson

In this proposed roster, the “Top 8” is undisputed. With #9 & #10 being Powell and Dragic. 

The reason I say Bertans has no role is because I see Green being #11 and even Franky #12. 

There is ‘no’ regular role for the 13th player on the roster despite all the bickering that happens here about the 13-15th player on the team.

And paying the tax on 16M for the 13th player on the roster is not something I see Cuban doing tbh.

(06-19-2022, 12:46 AM)burekemde Wrote: [ -> ]The only bigs that count (in Kidds eyes) are the ones that have quick feet and can also stay on the perimeter. That's why the Gobert's and Jokic's are never in the Finals. What they add with rebounds and inside play they tend to lose on the perimeter, or at least some of it. Teams find ways to target them in the playoffs, not as much during regular season. We have a big in Boban, but his inability to move around in the quick Kidd defense, made him unplayable.

I do not disagree with what Kidd wants, if you have guys like Luka and JB on the floor, they need to be the weakest of the weakest links in defense. Kidd doesn't want to put further pressure with a big that's going to be worse than Luka on defense. And you need not tell me about Boban, LOL, everyone and their mothers know he doesn't fit Kidd's system or the modern game for 5s.

But the comment about Jokic, well, I disagree. Never is a strong word. Being an All-Star or an MVP for that matter, doesn't mean your team is going be finals-bound every year, or every other year, or even in a decade. It's incredibly difficult even for MVP type players regardless of player position.

Now as for being a 5, Jokic is a monster. If Jokic had a healthy team behind him, who knows what could happened in the play-offs? If the Mavs faced a healthy Denver squad, I'm not optimistic they'll come out on top.

(06-19-2022, 06:39 AM)Smitty Wrote: [ -> ]And paying the tax on 16M for the 13th player on the roster is not something I see Cuban doing tbh.

He may not like it, but what choice does he have?

The players you can trade Bertans with or any combo of Bertans plus THJ and Green is limited.

Can THJ+Bertans net Tobias Harris? , Hayward?

I’m guessing Cuban is too proud to tell Dirk, Fin, Kidd he won’t pay tax. Especially Dirk who left money on the table. Bringing Dirk into management = a commitment to pay tax dollars at Golden State levels. 

Dragic for the full TPMLE. 

THJ for Jonathan Isaac.

Jeff Green or Rudy Gay into the TPE.

Of course, I also predicted Chriss would be a long-term Mav.

https://www.24ur.com/sport/ena-na-ena.html

Goran interview from yesterday. He was speaking about his last 2 games for Slovenia, about winning eurobasket 2017, some kind depression (lack of sports motive) he had after reaching a goal of winning a eurobasket and also about his future plans.

Basically, he says he would like to play 2-3 more seasons in Nba, he wants to win a championship and he knows how his role in Nba has changed and that his role now is more of a mentorship and helping a young players.

He confirmed that there is possibilty that he comes to Dallas, but he can't speak with other clubs except Brooklyn (who told him that they want him back) until 1.7. 2022 and then he will accept the best choice available.

He is also very grateful to Miami Heat, they gave him everything and they are more than just a friends. He says he also have an agreement with them that after retirement he will work for them. He is also planning to stay in Miami after retirement and he would like to become scout or GM. And if he can prefer, he would work for a Heat.

In Toronto they told him after the trade that they have no intensions of playing him, because he dosn't fit their timeline and their plan is playing young players. Then they agreed to go back to Miami and practice until right trade offer comes.

(06-19-2022, 07:58 AM)MAVS-SLO Wrote: [ -> ]he knows how his role in Nba has changed and that his role now is more of a mentorship and helping a young players.

Good news for the Mavs. Him accepting a lesser role behind Doncic, Brunson, Dinwiddie would make things a lot easier. Burke´s minutes combined with Boban´s role as Luka´s friend.

(06-19-2022, 07:58 AM)MAVS-SLO Wrote: [ -> ] 
Basically, he says he would like to play 2-3 more seasons in Nba, he wants to win a championship and he knows how his role in Nba has changed and that his role now is more of a mentorship and helping a young players.
 

Does this sound like the TP-MLE?  3 years, not all of them guaranteed.

(06-19-2022, 08:28 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Does this sound like the TP-MLE?

Sure hope not! Anyone filling the Burke role should be a minimum player. If SD is outgoing, then Dragic for the TMLE makes more sense.

(06-19-2022, 08:28 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Does this sound like the TP-MLE?  3 years, not all of them guaranteed.

I would prefer if it's for vet min.

Goran is known that he is humble and not money-seeker so in my opinion most of the teams even if they offer him more money falls away. There is also a part of interview when he was asked that he is millionaire now and he respond ''that money doesn't matter''. ''He is just relaxed that him and his children have enough money till the end of theirs lifes. More money - more problems. ''

I think he will be sign for a new franchise in a view of following matters:

1. Needs to be contender. Have a big desire to won a ring before retirment.

2. He is valued and appreciated there.

3. Have friends and connections in those clubs.

So in my opinion only few clubs can  check those things. Miami, Dallas, maybe Brooklyn (depends on how situation ended in their locker room) and there are some ''dark horse'' teams who can sign him in my opinion like GS, but think he will accept an offer from the first 3 teams mentioned.

As i said i would prefer him to vet min and  then try for T-MLE for Hartenstein, Bamba, Smith, maybe DiVincenzo, Lamb or Čančar. Ingles, Warren could also be interesting for vet min., while Monk, Young and Prince will probably be out of our range.

I´d be shocked, if the Mavs don´t add another C via the TPE, TP-MLE, draft or a trade.

I´d also be shocked, if they signed another PG above the minimum, unless he´s a super bargain at the TP-MLE. Dragic is a borderline minimum guy with no upside and no speciality skill (defense) we are lacking in that area.

I´d say the free agency candidates that provide upside and/or value at the TP-MLE are:

Harris
Nurkic
Warren
Harrell
Bryant
J. Smith
Hartenstein
Bagley
Bamba
DiVincenzo
Monk
Schroeder

(06-18-2022, 05:58 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]2 They divide the problem again (like they did with KP), and swap THJ for TWO players, each making less and one of them being a 2-way decent wing (perhaps the other being an undesirable), resulting in using up that 15th slot.

With the Dragic talk (and THJ coming off of injury), I wonder if the player divided might not be Dinwiddie.  

On the Locked On NBA Draft podcast, Sac traded down to 6 and got Brogdon and a future Top 5 protected first for Holmes and 4.  Point being Sac wanted a bigger PG to rotate with Fox and Davion Mitchell.  

Dinwiddie for Holmes, Harkless and maybe #37 (Two-way) would be similar outcome in terms of a larger guard and make Dragic a third guard here rather than a fourth guard.  It would also give Dallas more front court versatility and solve the C/PF rotation for years to come with prime aged guys if you assume they extend Wood in six months.

Holmes/Powell           Bertans
Wood/Maxi                Harkless
DFS/Bullock               Green
Brunson/THJ              Pinson
Luka/Dragic               Frank

Nothing in that interview sounds like vet min with Dallas to me. With Miami? Maybe. Not with Dallas.