(12-03-2021, 04:39 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]You're basically describing Paul George. Yes, I'd trade DFS in a package for Paul George. I think that might be a tad unrealistic, however, and I don't know that the list of players who check off the boxes you're describing is all that long.
I did say and/or. I know a guy who does all of those things is George/Butler/Kawhi/Durant.But to upgrade DFS, you need a guy who has more offensive game than catch & shoot threes at ~36%.
(12-04-2021, 01:01 PM)embellisher Wrote: [ -> ]I did say and/or. I know a guy who does all of those things is George/Butler/Kawhi/Durant.But to upgrade DFS, you need a guy who has more offensive game than catch & shoot threes at ~36%.
Again, I don't disagree with your assessment of the player, necessarily, just the idea that finding someone better is easy. I assume that he's going to be very close to his recently normal percentage (37-40%) by season's end. If that's the case, and you mix in his defense, versatility, ability to play high-minutes with incessant energy, the apparent fact that he holds no illusions about his place on the team and is willing to do anything asked of him, etc...idk. I think he's one of the rarest animals in the sport, personally.
It seems like Kidd is asking him to handle and facilitate a bit more. Are we sure he can't add that to his game reliably, given time? I'm not sure, but I refuse to underestimate him. You can say there are similar players who shoot a good catch-and-shoot percentage but at a much higher volume, and that's valid, but I happen to believe that part of the reason he's prone to slow starts of season with his shooting is that he works during the off-season to subtly speed up his release.
I'm not saying you don't add a Paul George or a Kawhi if you get the chance, and if you have a star who plays DFS's position, then you're probably better off. But, I reject the idea that DFS is an after thought in the NBA. I think he'll have interest this summer, and what's more I think he's in the "defensive minded, long wing who can shoot" category that literally every team is scouring the Earth to find these days. He's going to continue to get better for years, just like Crowder has, for example. As long as the bidding doesn't get out of control for his next deal, I think he's a keeper.
I would move
anyone in the right deal, if I was in charge. I just think DFS is the type of player we'd miss a lot once he was gone.
I think I might have officially joined Team....
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Just one thing. Stop trading for or signing former Knicks players.
(12-04-2021, 11:16 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Just one thing. Stop trading for or signing former Knicks players.
TAKE THAT BACK!
FN is the only good thing going right now!!!
These are tough times. At least in 2018/2019, the team was bad but we were excited at the potential of the future because of the unknown. Fast-forward to now and the outlook is very bad.
There's not much they can do with the contracts and roles given to KP/THJ/Powell...we are stuck for at least another 1-2 years
(12-04-2021, 11:18 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]TAKE THAT BACK!
FN is the only good thing going right now!!!
Burke
Frank
THJ
Luka
KP
The Don`Knicks. All of them played 20+ minutes for the 17/18 Knicks (29-53). Plus Luka.
I like Frank but it is really telling the story of the offseason that the last minute minimum signing is outplaying all other additions.
(12-04-2021, 11:18 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]TAKE THAT BACK!
FN is the only good thing going right now!!!
Don't be mean to God King DFS.
(12-04-2021, 11:18 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]TAKE THAT BACK!
FN is the only good thing going right now!!!
I feel like aside from Luka obviously, the only guys I like to absolutely keep are Maxi and FN.
DFS if he does not cost too much.
And Boban, well.. for a third string center, he offers more value than what he is paid, so he stays.
Everyone else can be traded.
(12-04-2021, 11:21 PM)SwisherPrice Wrote: [ -> ]These are tough times. At least in 2018/2019, the team was bad but we were excited at the potential of the future because of the unknown. Fast-forward to now and the outlook is very bad.
The problem is, this is largely the same exact team from 2018/2019. They were a flawed team then, they're a flawed team now. Funnily with the same exact flaws we were complaining about then more or less! For whatever reason Cuban/Donnie felt that internal growth would fix it. We still have 8 players from that 2018 roster. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
I don't know if it's Cuban's ineptitude or just general disinterest that has him refusing to upgrade this team. This is one of the few times I think it's good to make a trade just to make a trade. It doesn't have to be a home run. This team needs a shakeup in the worst way.
THJ/Bullock/Brown/Powell/WCS/Burke/Green all should be on the chopping block first.
Brunson/DFS/Kleber for something really good. Heck maybe even KP if the right player is available.
Pretty much only Luka is untouchable.
(12-05-2021, 03:20 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]For whatever reason Cuban/Donnie felt that internal growth would fix it. We still have 8 players from that 2018 roster.
Well I finally got what I wanted which was roster stability. I used to complain so much about the revolving door of the past. The roster turnover during the Dirk era was insane. Essentially a new team every 3 years
But yeah we need to do something. We're built to be a regular season team and even that isn't working out too great
I want to see the Mavs trade for RoCo and Nurkic and have the following starting line up:
Luka, FN/Bullock, RoCo, KP, Nurkic
Bench :
JB, THJ, DFS, Maxi, Boban
Maybe they could offer a package of DP, WCS, Burke, Josh Green (maybe Bullock is a possibility) plus 2FRPs,
Luka will be surrounded by capable defenders.
Nurkic can be the center the team needs. He can score underneath, can rool, can pop, can be a playmaker.
KP will still play the back up 5 minutes with Maxi playing the 3rd big off the bench. RoCo will start as the SF but will also play minutes as the 4. DFS will play off the bench at the 3 or 4 spot. This will give the team a real depth at the 3 and 4 spots especially defensively.
Frank or Bullock will start at the 2 guard spot to give the starting line up a defensive presence at the perimeter and can spot and shoot.
JB and THJ will be the offensive firepower off the bench who will make sure that the team will score while Luka and/or KP is resting.
Boban will be a situational player.
They will be also freeing up space to sign someone like Dragic if he is bpught out and/or take on another contract with the Josh Richardson exception.
What concerns me is this is leading towards a panic/desperation trade by a first time GM and an owner who is clearly lost. Therefore, I am gun shy. So I am in the camp of hopefully Goran getting bought out and him coming here (although I am against Jalen losing any minutes) and finding an improvement at center. The center improvement is needed right away imo. If Kidd is against playing KP at Center we literally have no options currently on the roster. I would prefer a short term move where we can see if KP at PF to start games has legs.
Until I feel confident the new front office has a good grasp of things, I would prefer holding off to this offseason to make a big move. I am gun shy with this group.
Other teams are smelling blood in the water and must love Dallas has sort of backed themselves in the corner. They are probably thinking of ways they can get a player on deep discount in a panic trade by Dallas.
(12-05-2021, 09:24 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]What concerns me is this is leading towards a panic/desperation trade by a first time GM and an owner who is clearly lost. Until I feel confident the new front office has a good grasp of things, I would prefer holding off to this offseason to make a big move. I am gun shy with this group.
I´d rather find out sooner than later whether our GM is another Cuban muppet/moron. He already gets a pass for the horrible summer, cause some decisions were probably made before he even got here (aka early tampering) like signing Bullock or re-signing THJ.
He has to make so many decisions that cannot wait:
Is Jason Kidd the right coach?
Do we keep Porzingis?
Do we extend DFS and Brunson or trade them?
Do we move guys like Kleber and THJ for future compensation/younger talent and also get some cap relief?
Can we get rid of Powell, WCS, Burke and Boban? Do we even want to?
Do we actively tank at some point, if this poor form continues?
Overhaul the scouting department?
I just need to see something to lose all faith or regain some.
The first trade no matter how insignificant you all think it will be, can tell us a lot already about the direction of the franchise going forward.
Like you all told me that it doesn´t matter Cuban drafted Satnam Singh, so he can make a Netlfix documentary in India, while Christian Wood was slipping from projected 1st round pick to undrafted status.
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(12-05-2021, 03:23 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I like this idea - THJ and DFS for Hayward. Certainly increases our ceiling.
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Interesting idea. I remember when he was a FA, I thought there was a slimmer of a chance Dallas could swoop in and get Hayward. A player like him would really fit in well here. Obviously his injury concerns are there and he also had some moments where he wasn't great in big moments. Not sure where I land on this trade.
I would be really interested how our Front Office would view a proposal like this. Is it a non starter or are these the type of deals they would heavily consider.
Posted this in another thread but my next move might be to offer Brunson + THJ to Detroit for Jerami Grant
We know Detroit pursued Hardaway heavily in the offseason, reportedly offering him a bigger deal than the one he got in Dallas. Detroit needs quality high volume shooting and that's THJ's super power. Brunson brings veteran leadership and would immediately start.
Grant is an ideal fit for Kidd's defensive system. A Shawn Marion type.
Mavs are giving up two starter quality, heavy minute guys, so they may take a step back in the W/L column but I think a deal like this is the right move long term, and it puts them in a better position to play quality playofff basketball.
Luka -- Burke
Bullock -- Ntilikina
DFS -- Brown
Grant -- Kleber
KP -- WCS/Powell
I think the Pistons idea is for Cade to play the 1..at least in the long run..they also have Hayes there .. I think it's slight of value, considering the suitors Grant would have, if available. Another point with Grant is that I'd rather go Detroit than continue in Denver ... although I would love Grant in Dallas,
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