(02-19-2022, 09:46 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with the thinking in terms of a Jrue/Middleton type of mindset. I'm not sure what to think in terms of a name. None of those guys play center and even if you get one of them, we still have a C rotation of expiring Powell and expiring Maxi. We've improved the roster (depending on the outgoing), yet still have a fairly substantial weakness.
I would be solving the center situation after the first move. Than it would be clear which contracts are left to trade and which assets. Center also depends on the incoming player. If it is Collins, than a shooting center like Maxi is great to have next to him. If it is a wing, than someone like Holmes could be a great option. I would be even comfortable with Powell/Maxi going forward (plus a cheap third center), but it is possible they would be used as outgoing salary in the trade, as they are expiring.
(02-19-2022, 09:54 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I would be solving the center situation after the first move. Than it would be clear which contracts are left to trade and which assets. Center also depends on the incoming player. If it is Collins, than a shooting center like Maxi is great to have next to him. If it is a wing, than someone like Holmes could be a great option. I would be even comfortable with Powell/Maxi going forward (plus a cheap third center), but it is possible they would be used as outgoing salary in the trade, as they are expiring.
Agree with this. Trade for the best two way player available(Jrue/Middleton level). Then make whatever move at center is needed. It’s a position where outside of Embiid and Jokic, your decent centers are all worth about $10 million per. Powell/Maxi are fine to me as well with a cheap 3rd
What do you think of Jakov Poelt? He is a player similar to Gobert (although not as elitist) in the style of play, even a better passer..
13.1 / 9.2/2.8 and 1.8 blocks
Elite defense ,elite placing screens
https://youtu.be/qIPEiU0SElI
thoughts?
I was thinking about the draft. I too will be surprised if we keep the pick. This draft gets pretty ugly where the Mavs will be picking. I actually like some guys in the second round. In the middle to late first you are really looking at several projection guys. I like some of these guys but they will need time. I have sort of been coming down on Mark Williams and Walker Kessler with our pick. Unfortunately in Sam Veccenie latest mock he has both going before the Mavs pick. Williams looks the part but his production hasn't really matched his potential yet. But can he be Robert Williams type in time? Kessler has been fantastic but he projection is a little more tricky. Can he be a Jokob Poetl in time?
So what about landing one of these two and then using your picks plus salary for a John Collins type. Is that enough moving forward considering we will be pick deficient for the foreseeable future?
Personally, if I would take a risk with Gobert... I think that with that contract it should not be very expensive in terms of assets... I think that Rudy's problems in the Playoffs largely have to do with the poor perimeter defense of the Jazz or the aging of Ingles/Bojan etc. I agree that Luka needs good accessories, more than 2 or 3 violins... Really Gobert is an elite role player..not a star..he needs an elite guard to produce anything on offense..ok we got the best.. It would bring the best rim protection and rebounding in the NBA (we don't have anything there) and an important fact is that Rudy is probably the best at putting screens and Luka the one who best takes advantage of them
I like Collins, a young and talented guy, of course it would be great to have him, but he also doesn't address our main problems, which in my eyes are rebounds, rim protection. With a 5 above average, we are ready to Defeat anyone
(02-19-2022, 11:03 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]I was thinking about the draft. I too will be surprised if we keep the pick. This draft gets pretty ugly where the Mavs will be picking. I actually like some guys in the second round. In the middle to late first you are really looking at several projection guys. I like some of these guys but they will need time. I have sort of been coming down on Mark Williams and Walker Kessler with our pick. Unfortunately in Sam Veccenie latest mock he has both going before the Mavs pick. Williams looks the part but his production hasn't really matched his potential yet. But can he be Robert Williams type in time? Kessler has been fantastic but he projection is a little more tricky. Can he be a Jokob Poetl in time?
So what about landing one of these two and then using your picks plus salary for a John Collins type. Is that enough moving forward considering we will be pick deficient for the foreseeable future?
I assume ATL would want the pick for Collins. They need to find 2 new starters for next season assuming they keep Brunson. Either a 3 or a 4 depending on where you slot Dorian, and a 5.
(02-19-2022, 12:20 PM)Dirknows Wrote: [ -> ]I assume ATL would want the pick for Collins. They need to find 2 new starters for next season assuming they keep Brunson. Either a 3 or a 4 depending on where you slot Dorian, and a 5.
I actually don't mind Reggie starting at the 3. He's not too small, his defense has been great, and he can shoot the 3 well.
Obviously if we can find someone more dynamic that also fulfills those things, sure we should replace him. But that'd likely be an all-star.
In any case I think where most of us are falling is trying to get a rim protecting 5 that can rebound. I really struggle with the idea that UTA would trade Gobert at all. Doing so basically means they are rebuilding and Donovan is on his way out.
If we're looking at unrealistic centers that are elite roll guys, switchable on the perimeter, and can actually generate his own shot, why the heck aren't we talking about
Deandre Ayton??
There have been grumblings that PHX doesn't want to pay him. He might be very available. He is EXACTLY the type of center that would thrive next to Luka.
(02-19-2022, 12:33 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]If we're looking at unrealistic centers that are elite roll guys, switchable on the perimeter, and can actually generate his own shot, why the heck aren't we talking about Deandre Ayton??
Mavs can't realistically do a SnT. Even if they could, Phoenix would be looking for a good center on a cheap(er) deal. They have some 20 mil to play with, if they dump Saric. I think Atlanta or Portland are most serious candidates.
(02-19-2022, 10:52 AM)Mikelo Wrote: [ -> ]What do you think of Jakov Poelt? He is a player similar to Gobert (although not as elitist) in the style of play, even a better passer..
13.1 / 9.2/2.8 and 1.8 blocks
Elite defense ,elite placing screens
thoughts?
I'm a fan of Poeltl and think he's very underrated. The opportunity with him is the fact he's expiring and we don't know what SA plans to do post Pop. Maybe he can be had if they are looking for picks rather than resigning him to bigger money at age 28 in a year.
He's always a very positive on-court contributor. My one hesitation is whether he can handle the more aggressive defensive scheme we run most of the time. He's more of a drop coverage guy and we aren't doing as much of that. Are all of the other things he brings to the table worth a change of scheme when he is in the game? Or, should we be looking for the best fit who happens to also excel at our scheme? Holmes isn't as good as Poeltl overall, but is more mobile as an example. PJ Washington isn't as good as Holmes overall, but is probably an even better fit from a scheme standpoint and can also hit a three pointer. Who would Dallas prioritize if given the opportunity to trade for any of the three at the same price?
(02-19-2022, 12:47 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Mavs can't realistically do a SnT. Even if they could, Phoenix would be looking for a good center on a cheap(er) deal. They have some 20 mil to play with, if they dump Saric. I think Atlanta or Portland are most serious candidates.
The key I think you're glossing over is that Ayton decides where he wants to play. Sure he's a RFA, but if Ayton says "I want to go to Dallas, either trade me there or I take the QO", there's not much the Suns can do.
Mavs have cheap bigs that can fill out a trade. Maxi being the most attractive one. I 100% agree that the Mavs role players aren't nearly as attractive as what the majority of other teams can offer, but it doesn't really matter if Ayton wants to go to the Mavs.
(02-19-2022, 12:55 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]The key I think you're glossing over is that Ayton decides where he wants to play. Sure he's a RFA, but if Ayton says "I want to go to Dallas, either trade me there or I take the QO", there's not much the Suns can do.
What he means it it is illegal for us to take a S&T player if we finish the deal above the apron.
(02-19-2022, 01:00 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]What he means it it is illegal for us to take a S&T player if we finish the deal above the apron.
Ah. Ok that is an important facet. In an unrealistic world lets assume PHX accepts Maxi+Powell+picks for Ayton.
Mavs would have to trade away THJ at the very least for air to stay under the apron for Ayton right?
Then resign JB with bird rights.
Definitely difficult. But if Ayton wants to come here there are ways to get it done.
(02-19-2022, 01:42 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Ah. Ok that is an important facet. In an unrealistic world lets assume PHX accepts Maxi+Powell+picks for Ayton.
Mavs would have to trade away THJ at the very least for air to stay under the apron for Ayton right?
Then resign JB with bird rights.
Definitely difficult. But if Ayton wants to come here there are ways to get it done.
If you do SnT, you can't go over the apron any time in the season. The only way to stay under would be dumping JB level more salary in a equal trade for Ayton. This means either letting JB walk or dumping one of other big contracts.
Even neglecting this, I don't see Ayton taking QO over 100+ millions. He can always get traded later, if he doesn't like it in Phoenix.
(02-19-2022, 01:49 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]If you do SnT, you can't go over the apron any time in the season
I did not know this rule. That effectively kills Deandre Ayton idea from the outset!
In any case, I'd still be interested in trading for him if not this summer, then during the season next year if he's still unhappy.
Sad it's this difficult.
(02-19-2022, 10:52 AM)Mikelo Wrote: [ -> ]What do you think of Jakov Poelt? He is a player similar to Gobert (although not as elitist) in the style of play, even a better passer..
13.1 / 9.2/2.8 and 1.8 blocks
Elite defense ,elite placing screens
https://youtu.be/qIPEiU0SElI
thoughts?
My dream KP trade was Poeltl and White. Little did I realize how far off that was. Didn't Poeltl just get traded for significant assets? I doubt he is available for what we would have to offer.
(02-19-2022, 02:33 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]My dream KP trade was Poeltl and White. Little did I realize how far off that was. Didn't Poeltl just get traded for significant assets? I doubt he is available for what we would have to offer.
Poeltl is still on the Spurs. But I do think it would take significant assets to pry him away. He’s still fairly young and a very good NBA center.
Reading that the Hornets offered Washinton+ future 1...on the deadline...apparently it was not accepted...it seemed like a good offer to me (I like PJ, like a cheap version of JCollins)... That White/Poelt Combo that you mention... I have to admit that you have very good taste
(02-19-2022, 10:52 AM)Mikelo Wrote: [ -> ]What do you think of Jakov Poelt? He is a player similar to Gobert (although not as elitist) in the style of play, even a better passer..
13.1 / 9.2/2.8 and 1.8 blocks
Elite defense ,elite placing screens
https://youtu.be/qIPEiU0SElI
thoughts?
I think everyone loves Poetl and San Antonio isnt letting him go unless it's a no brainer deal for them. I really dont see what we have to offer. One 1st isn't getting it done IMO.
Toronto and Charlotte (IIRC) inquired about him at the deadline.