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The Mavs are probably going to be uninvolved in any free agency, because of their limits, except for 2-way and projects to try to develop in the GL They lack roster space at the moment (maybe even locked into 16 so far, not 15), so anyone they find to sign cheaply creates an issue. Plus they can't offer over $6M-ish to sign a player.

They might or might not do a trade to ease the roster crunch  - but another possibility is a trade that adds yet another body, making it even worse, such as using the TPE to add a player.

So Mo Bamba (and others like him) are out of their reach and not really worth discussing, with them being essentially a financial impossibility. Re Bamba, the QO to make him restricted, where ORL controls his rights, is over $10M. The most the Mavs can offer is about $6M to start, on a 3 year deal max.

(04-14-2022, 04:47 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]The Mavs are probably going to be uninvolved in any free agency, because of their limits, except for 2-way and projects to try to develop in the GL They lack roster space at the moment (maybe even locked into 16 so far, not 15), so anyone they find to sign cheaply creates an issue. Plus they can't offer over $6M-ish to sign a player.

They might or might not do a trade to ease the roster crunch  - but another possibility is a trade that adds yet another body, making it even worse, such as using the TPE to add a player.

So Mo Bamba (and others like him) are out of their reach and not really worth discussing, with them being essentially a financial impossibility. Re Bamba, the QO to make him restricted, where ORL controls his rights, is over $10M. The most the Mavs can offer is about $6M to start, on a 3 year deal max.

As usual, your point about roster space is on point.  I have a feeling we'll not keep our selection this year and a portion of that trade will include the likes of Brown/Burke.

(04-14-2022, 04:47 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]The Mavs are probably going to be uninvolved in any free agency, because of their limits, except for 2-way and projects to try to develop in the GL They lack roster space at the moment (maybe even locked into 16 so far, not 15), so anyone they find to sign cheaply creates an issue. Plus they can't offer over $6M-ish to sign a player.

They might or might not do a trade to ease the roster crunch  - but another possibility is a trade that adds yet another body, making it even worse, such as using the TPE to add a player.

So Mo Bamba (and others like him) are out of their reach and not really worth discussing, with them being essentially a financial impossibility. Re Bamba, the QO to make him restricted, where ORL controls his rights, is over $10M. The most the Mavs can offer is about $6M to start, on a 3 year deal max.

I agree that there is very little wiggle room this offseason, but when they get the list of the types of players Kidd wants in his system, I really hope they don’t go into trying to acquire said players with what you said in mind. Miami has been the gold standard for that can-do attitude. I hope this new FO tries more to emulate that.

(04-14-2022, 04:47 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]They might or might not do a trade to ease the roster crunch  - but another possibility is a trade that adds yet another body, making it even worse, such as using the TPE to add a player.

Seems to me the only realistic move this offseason is some sort of trade. Either a minor one where we ship out a heavy protected 2nd and 1 of Burke/Brown/Frank/Chriss and make room for the new draft pick, or a much more major one where the Mavs finally consolidate in a 2 for 1 type of deal possibly including said draft pick.

Some guys we've been debating about all year are actually on the block now given recent news from podcasts/tweets. Do any of these guys strike your fancy?

The Mega Superstars (aka the land of speculation and ephemeral titillation):

Damian Lillard- possibly if Portland fails to do anything significant this summer.
Anthony Davis- heavily doubt this was a real thing, but you never know when LeGM is at the helm.
Rudy Gobert- possible he could be available depending on how poor the playoffs go
Donovan Mitchell- same reason as above
Russell Westbrook- he should feel lucky he's apart of this list as he kind of falls in no mans land. He's basically as free as it gets for a 20ppg scorer right now and is on an expiring contract (Still doesn't make sense to me though).

The 2nd-3rd guys (aka The Flawed Understudies)

Gordon Hayward
Julius Randle
Myles Turner
John Wall
Tobias Harris
Al Horford
John Collins- Who knows of ATL will ever trade him
Clint Capela- See above. 
Mike Conley
Malcom Brogdon
Christian Wood

The Role Players (aka Our only intention is to use the Traded Player Exception)
Richaun Holmes*
Eric Gordon*
Derrick Favors
Nerlens Noel
Jakob Poeltl
Obi Toppin
Isaiah Stewart


*Doesn't fit the TPE but should still count as targets

I'm for sure forgetting a few, but it seems like this is the prime summer where the Mavs can do a 2 for 1 deal. Heck I'd even take a guy like Hayward. The rumor trade for him was for Westbrook and a 1st. I think a Mavs package centered around THJ+Brown+Chriss for Hayward makes MUCH more sense for than freaking Westbrook on a team with Roizer+Ball.

What do you think? Do you think the tax will pose as a pseudo-barrier for any potential trade, or would Cuban not care to pay Brunson+ another big contract? 

My blockbuster prediction is that the Knicks and Lakers do a swap for Randle+Fournier for Westbrook+1st this summer.

(04-14-2022, 07:09 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I agree that there is very little wiggle room this offseason, but when they get the list of the types of players Kidd wants in his system, I really hope they don’t go into trying to acquire said players with what you said in mind. Miami has been the gold standard for that can-do attitude. I hope this new FO tries more to emulate that.

My point on their limits has zero to do with attitude, and is just a recognition of what won't be under consideration (because the rules say so).

But that is not a general prohibition on making changes or acquiring players they want. Free agents (of any market value)? Those are out. They can't be using free agency this summer to acquire anyone who will attract offers exceeding $6M. Using trades or picks to change the roster? That door remains wide open.

(04-14-2022, 09:31 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]My point on their limits has zero to do with attitude, and is just a recognition of what won't be under consideration (because the rules say so).

But that is not a general prohibition on making changes or acquiring players they want. Free agents (of any market value)? Those are out. They can't be using free agency this summer to acquire anyone who will attract offers exceeding $6M. Using trades or picks to change the roster? That door remains wide open.

All I was saying is if they want a guy, I hope they figure out a way to get him like MIA seems to do every offseason with over the cap payroll. I don’t care if the target is Mo Bamba or any FA. If that’s their guy, don’t let our payroll be a hindrance. Do what you have to do to make it happen. Be creative.

(04-14-2022, 09:29 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Seems to me the only realistic move this offseason is some sort of trade. Either a minor one where we ship out a heavy protected 2nd and 1 of Burke/Brown/Frank/Chriss and make room for the new draft pick, or a much more major one where the Mavs finally consolidate in a 2 for 1 type of deal possibly including said draft pick.

Some guys we've been debating about all year are actually on the block now given recent news from podcasts/tweets. Do any of these guys strike your fancy?

The Mega Superstars (aka the land of speculation and ephemeral titillation):

Damian Lillard- possibly if Portland fails to do anything significant this summer.
Anthony Davis- heavily doubt this was a real thing, but you never know when LeGM is at the helm.
Rudy Gobert- possible he could be available depending on how poor the playoffs go
Donovan Mitchell- same reason as above
Russell Westbrook- he should feel lucky he's apart of this list as he kind of falls in no mans land. He's basically as free as it gets for a 20ppg scorer right now and is on an expiring contract (Still doesn't make sense to me though).

The 2nd-3rd guys (aka The Flawed Understudies)

Gordon Hayward
Julius Randle
Myles Turner
John Wall
Tobias Harris
Al Horford
John Collins- Who knows of ATL will ever trade him
Clint Capela- See above. 
Mike Conley
Malcom Brogdon
Christian Wood

The Role Players (aka Our only intention is to use the Traded Player Exception)
Richaun Holmes*
Eric Gordon*
Derrick Favors
Nerlens Noel
Jakob Poeltl
Obi Toppin
Isaiah Stewart


*Doesn't fit the TPE but should still count as targets

I'm for sure forgetting a few, but it seems like this is the prime summer where the Mavs can do a 2 for 1 deal. Heck I'd even take a guy like Hayward. The rumor trade for him was for Westbrook and a 1st. I think a Mavs package centered around THJ+Brown+Chriss for Hayward makes MUCH more sense for than freaking Westbrook on a team with Roizer+Ball.

What do you think? Do you think the tax will pose as a pseudo-barrier for any potential trade, or would Cuban not care to pay Brunson+ another big contract? 

My blockbuster prediction is that the Knicks and Lakers do a swap for Randle+Fournier for Westbrook+1st this summer.

Guys I would send a pick and salary (THJ, Bullock, Maxi) for due to value and fit:

Gobert
Turner
Collins
Capela
Poeltl (I'm guessing this will be met with some disagreement)

Guys I would send that salary out for:

Holmes

(04-15-2022, 09:56 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]Guys I would send a pick and salary (THJ, Bullock, Maxi) for due to value and fit:

Gobert
Turner
Collins
Capela
Poeltl (I'm guessing this will be met with some disagreement)

Guys I would send that salary out for:

Holmes

No disagreement here.  Would do that without hesitation.  I'm not sure we have the ammunition to do the first three names if we are being realistic.

One clarification as to something SH said about trading a second and a player to make room for our pick.  Frank shouldn't be on that list as he's not guaranteed.  We can just drop him.  Not my preference, but it doesn't require a trade to clear down to 15 including the pick.

(04-15-2022, 03:38 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]All I was saying is if they want a guy, I hope they figure out a way to get him like MIA seems to do every offseason with over the cap payroll. I don’t care if the target is Mo Bamba or any FA. If that’s their guy, don’t let our payroll be a hindrance. Do what you have to do to make it happen. Be creative.

Yes, I understand your desire for the Mavs to find a way.

But let me say this again - if we are talking about any free agent this summer good enough to attract non-taxpayer MLE and up, or even a bit lower in the $7-8M starting range - then regarding the Mavs way to get him to Dallas with the deal he wants ....

It. Is. NOT. Possible.

There is no "figuring out" for that guy. It can't be done.

(04-15-2022, 10:18 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Frank shouldn't be on that list as he's not guaranteed.  We can just drop him.  Not my preference, but it doesn't require a trade to clear down to 15 including the pick.

While that's an option, I think they will keep him.

(04-14-2022, 09:29 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]The Role Players (aka Our only intention is to use the Traded Player Exception)
Richaun Holmes*
 
...

*Doesn't fit the TPE but should still count as targets.

Holmes is possible with the TPE in June, if he wants out of Sac. His base salary fits. His trade bonus can be lessened to also fit, if he agrees.

The TPE also opens the door for the Mavs to send a non-matching smaller salary the other way (such as Brown or Chriss or Bobi).

In my thinking, he is definitely on my TPE possibility list, to weigh if he is worth it. (While we might see him as valued, the truth is that he may not be worth his salary.)

They came to the wrong game, eh?

Give Brunson all the money.

Whatever you may think he deserves, JB just guaranteed himself a BIG raise next season.

(04-19-2022, 11:59 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]Give Brunson all the money.

 

Pretty much. At this point, He's probably the guy you would be trading for if he wasn't already on your team. If Cuban doesn't pay him, he's going to look terribly stupid. You can't tell your fan base that you would go over the luxury tax to win a championship and then sabotage that entire thought process in one summer.

as much as i love JB if he doesnt want to take a medium offer to stay and challenge then a huge sign and trade for 2-3 solid rotation guys could improve the team also down the line.

Trading Brunson will prove incredibly difficult, unless a team is willing to take on a Hardaway or Bertrans due to BYC. So you need a team willing to trade pieces when they already have cap space OR have a large Trade Exception to make it work.

Dallas has a Trade Exception that would help the process, but it will expire before Brunson can be Signed & Traded. Brunson has played himself into $20+ million to start and Max years with max raises for Dallas to retain him. Depending on how his new found production is maintained with Luka, he is pushing his initial salary toward the Max as well. JB gonna get paid and I hope he remembers the Kidd who drove the Brinks truck for him -

One advantage in keeping JB is that he seems to LOVE the team AND is apparently an incredibly loyal player... I sure don't  want to find out if he carries grudges against teams that undervalue him.

Just for reference, what is JB's max contract? I assume it's the normal max, not the super max like Luka is starting next season.