(06-16-2022, 10:32 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Even if I think they should, I doubt they'd trade Dray or Klay.
Agreed. They'll retire as Warriors.
(06-16-2022, 10:55 AM)Winter Wrote: [ -> ]I feel like we need another wing unless we want to play Bullock and DFS 40 minutes per game in the playoffs again.
However, I think there are lots of possibilities when you suddenly have at least 8 good players in a playoff rotation. So there are options depending on if and how we add another player going forward into free agency - and which players are left standing.
I think if we get another big then Maxi can play that role of big 3&D wing to give Bullock/DFS a breather. Maxi's versatility allows us a lot more flexibility in roster construction.
(06-16-2022, 01:41 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I think if we get another big then Maxi can play that role of big 3&D wing to give Bullock/DFS a breather. Maxi's versatility allows us a lot more flexibility in roster construction.
Very curious how Maxi gets used moving forward and if we see a lot of the Maxi/Wood pairing on the court this season.
What´s a wing anyway? I think we´ll be just fine with a 3&D guard like Gary Harris for the TP-MLE, if they can´t get one of the young centers.
Luka is a SF/PF defensively, Bullock and DFS spend a lot of time chasing around smaller guards and trying to stay in front of them, cause Ntilikina/Green are a non-factor on offense. Bullock and DFS can probably rest a little more, if they can spend some game time on a SF/PF that´s not moving around as much, while Harris defends one of the opposing guards.
This is my feeling about Hardaway...
He can play with Luka as the 3 where Luka can defend the SF.
When the Mavs go small Brunson/Dinwiddie then Bullock/DFS plays the 3.
I want to go all-in... Give me Richaun Holmes for the TPE and let Dwight Powell begin his transition into coaching.
(06-16-2022, 02:06 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]What´s a wing anyway? I think we´ll be just fine with a 3&D guard like Gary Harris for the TP-MLE, if they can´t get one of the young centers.
Luka is a SF/PF defensively, Bullock and DFS spend a lot of time chasing around smaller guards and trying to stay in front of them, cause Ntilikina/Green are a non-factor on offense. Bullock and DFS can probably rest a little more, if they can spend some game time on a SF/PF that´s not moving around as much, while Harris defends one of the opposing guards.
I would be cool with Harris for the tax MLE, but it seems like he is starting to fully recover from his injuries and I wonder if someone wont pay more. I also struggle to see where Timmy is going to get minutes if we add Gary to the mix.
(06-16-2022, 02:40 PM)SkenfromLMF Wrote: [ -> ]I want to go all-in... Give me Richaun Holmes for the TPE
Seems like overkill to me. You'd be straight ADDING a ton of money (none outgoing) for a guy who's going to get
maybe 10-12 minutes per game if all goes according to plan. Probably fewer minutes than that, actually.
On the other hand, I suppose it insulates you a bit in case Wood's work ethic/personality is so problematic that he goes full Rondo/Odom or something crazy like that.
But, I see zero potential for those two to play
together, if that's what you're thinking. Both of them are 5's and ONLY 5's. I think you
can play Wood at the 4, but not if you expect to be competitive during that time.
(06-16-2022, 01:41 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I think if we get another big then Maxi can play that role of big 3&D wing to give Bullock/DFS a breather. Maxi's versatility allows us a lot more flexibility in roster construction.
I agree with this. I'm not locked into getting another "wing" as I am getting another player that can stay on the floor in the playoffs.
So what's going to happen with Frankie? He's not guaranteed unitl 7/4/22, so they can still cut him without any ramifications.
Pinson's 2-way expires and he'll be due regular contract to keep him.
Luka/JB/Spence/Bullock/Green/THJ for the two guard spots. Is there still room for Pinson and/or Frankie? The salaries are minimal, so do they stay around for continuity?
(06-16-2022, 02:50 PM)michaeltex Wrote: [ -> ]So what's going to happen with Frankie? He's not guaranteed unitl 7/4/22, so they can still cut him without any ramifications.
Too early to tell for sure, but my strong suspicion is that this trade means Ntilikina is safe and will be here. They cleared roster spots so they wouldn't have to eat any of those dudes' money. Avoiding that would be the only conceivable reason to cut Ntilikina, as far as I can tell, and now they don't have to worry about that.
(06-16-2022, 02:50 PM)michaeltex Wrote: [ -> ]Luka/JB/Spence/Bullock/Green/THJ for the two guard spots. Is there still room for Pinson and/or Frankie? The salaries are minimal, so do they stay around for continuity?
Seems to me like Green played almost exclusively at the 3 last season, and I'll bet that's what they'll have in mind for Pinson, too.
(06-16-2022, 02:50 PM)michaeltex Wrote: [ -> ]So what's going to happen with Frankie? He's not guaranteed unitl 7/4/22, so they can still cut him without any ramifications.
Pinson's 2-way expires and he'll be due regular contract to keep him.
Luka/JB/Spence/Bullock/Green/THJ for the two guard spots. Is there still room for Pinson and/or Frankie? The salaries are minimal, so do they stay around for continuity?
I think there is a good chance they will keep him now that they have cleared up the roster. Pinson does not count for minutes as he will be too busy cheerleading. That list of players is for 3 spots not 2. As of now, Dorian will generally play the 4, but may join that list part time.
(06-16-2022, 02:50 PM)michaeltex Wrote: [ -> ]Luka/JB/Spence/Bullock/Green/THJ for the two guard spots. Is there still room for Pinson and/or Frankie? The salaries are minimal, so do they stay around for continuity?
I don't think thinking in terms of 'guard spots' or some of the traditional depth charts people have tossed up (i.e., PG/SG/SF/PF/C) matches up well with how we've seen Kidd approach things (or with Nico's moves to date with the two seemingly on the same page as far as roster philosophy goes).
Assuming everyone is healthy, Kidd will have 2 of Luka, JB, and Dimwiddie on the floor at all times, so those 3 eat up the '2 creators' position.
Wood/Maxi/Powell will eat up all the 'big' minutes (probably in that order)
That leaves 96 minutes/2 spots that will go primarily to DFS and Bullock with THJ as back-up followed by spot minutes for Bertans and Maxi depending on match-ups.
Green and Frankie get development minutes primarily carved out of that same group with maybe a few from the 'creators' as well depending on how their development goes as well as filler for the inevitable injury absences. I guess Pinson falls here too at the very end of the rotation.
(That's with no further roster moves, although I think that's unlikely. Assuming reports that their next priority, after signing JB, is another 3-and-D wing, are still valid then I think they must be planning to switch Hardaway in the above schema so you get a core 8-man rotation of
backcourt: Luka, Brunson, Dimwiddie
'wing': DFS, Bullock, Player X, (Maxi)
big: Wood, Maxi
with Powell as big man back up and Bertrans, Green, Frankie, and Pinson as backups everywhere else.)
When figuring out minutes, the regular season is full of games where players get rested on b2bs or injuries etc. Need to be ready for those.
Dragic would be a good candidate to be the guy that gets all of the minutes when any of the 3 of Luka/JB/Dinwiddie are out for whatever reason if he wants to come here. THJ I guess can also take those bench minutes otherwise but the playstyle will change with him. I think there's enough wing depth to go around.
Still would prefer Jalen Smith/Hartenstein into TPMLE to have a young developing big. Maxi/TPMLE guy are the main backup bigs that still get lots of playtime. Bertans can play some backup 4. Powell can go into more of a come off the bench if someone is out but otherwise not in the rotation role. More of a teacher in practice or whatever. He's made more than enough money here it's a pretty good gig tbh.
(06-16-2022, 02:40 PM)SkenfromLMF Wrote: [ -> ]This is my feeling about Hardaway...
He can play with Luka as the 3 where Luka can defend the SF.
When the Mavs go small Brunson/Dinwiddie then Bullock/DFS plays the 3.
I want to go all-in... Give me Richaun Holmes for the TPE and let Dwight Powell begin his transition into coaching.
Powell for Holmes is way better, and probably just as doable.
(06-16-2022, 04:16 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]Powell for Holmes is way better, and probably just as doable.
Do it sooner rather than later and you maintain the TPE another year...
So here would be my shot at the wing player...
Powell to OKC
JaMychal Green to Dallas
Richaun Holmes to Dallas (TPE)
#34 from OKC to Sac
#37 from Sac to Dal
#49 from Sac to OKC
Future #1 from Dallas to OKC
(06-16-2022, 04:47 PM)SkenfromLMF Wrote: [ -> ]Do it sooner rather than later and you maintain the TPE another year...
That's part of why it's way better to do Powell for RH, than just getting Holmes using TPE.
(06-16-2022, 06:38 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]That's part of why it's way better to do Powell for RH, than just getting Holmes using TPE.
I guess, but I still don't get the urge to do it at all.
If we're worried about the emergency 3rd center, I'd say Powell can do just as well as Holmes in that role, and doesn't cause you to commit to money past this coming year.
If we're thinking about not playing Kleber at the 5 anymore (meaning more backup 5 minutes are needed behind Wood) then I'd suggest we stop thinking about that and start thinking about better things. I thought this was Kleber's best season, post KP trade. I think he's in the
exact role he should be - first big off the bench, playing mostly center. Heck, if Wood gets anywhere near 30 minutes per game when it matters, which is possible, Kleber is probably going to play plenty of 4 this season already, whether they upgrade Powell or not.
Just seems like Holmes isn't needed here very much after this trade to me. Now they need a forward, imo. Grant, Isaac, or someone of that ilk. Tobias Harris would be fine if he didn't make so much money.
(06-16-2022, 06:45 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Now they need a forward
Agree with this and with MacMahon reporting a "playoff rotation wing" is the priority for the Mavs now. If the Mavs are playing Maxi as a center, then they don't need to drop another dime more than the minimum into the center position. They need a "big wing."
(06-16-2022, 06:55 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Agree with this and with MacMahon reporting a "playoff rotation wing" is the priority for the Mavs now. If the Mavs are playing Maxi as a center, then they don't need to drop another dime more than the minimum into the center position. They need a "big wing."
Yeah, for sure. The good news is that in the best case scenario for the Wood addition, they'll probably be able to lower Kleber's minutes some (a good thing) AND play him some at the 4 (already taking some load off of DFS and Bullock). If they can mix in another forward (3/4 or even better: 4/3) then DFS and Bullock's lives get a TON easier and Kidd's choices get much more diverse.