Tonight...
Thompson 13 minutes
Bagley DNP
Len DNP
....and sadly I think the Kings would still turn it down for Porzingis to not mess with their chemistry and depth.
HAguiar95
I'd really like to see JB-Luka-DFS-Maxi-KP lineup to see the results.
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I'd like to see something close to this. If we are going to experiment, why not try some time with KP/Maxi starting together. However, I'd move DFS to the bench and start Bullock. Powell/DFS would be the bench bigs with THJ and Frank as the bench wings. This would work much better if we had Dragic or some other ball handler on the team. The DFS based lineup isn't ideal against guard dominant teams like Portland. The Bullock based lineup isn't ideal against teams with bigger wings like the Clippers (when everyone is healthy). I'm not a fan of single-big Powell, but if you have to do it, do it against bench bigs, not starters.
Next up, how to get Dragic...or someone like him. Inspired by Fifteenth, I've been playing around with Toronto deals. I wonder if things are bad enough with Siakam that they would do some kind of major deal where we get him and Dragic and take Birch into our TPE for a pick. I suspect it would cost Maxi and Green and a decent pick in addition to KP. I think KP would fit well with the bigger wings they have. Siakam (HS in Lewisville) would provide creation and on-ball defense at the PF position. He's not the best 3 point shooter in the world, but lineups with him have been incredibly positive the last several years despite the lack of outside shooting.
Powell/Burch
Siakam/DFS
Luka/THJ
Bullock/Frank
Brunson/Dragic
(11-06-2021, 07:33 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder if things are bad enough with Siakam that they would do some kind of major deal where we get him and Dragic and take Birch into our TPE for a pick. I suspect it would cost Maxi and Green and a decent pick in addition to KP. I think KP would fit well with the bigger wings they have. Siakam (HS in Lewisville) would provide creation and on-ball defense at the PF position. He's not the best 3 point shooter in the world, but lineups with him have been incredibly positive the last several years despite the lack of outside shooting.
For almost exactly a year now, when things blew up with Siakam in TOR and he got benched I have been dreaming of this trade scenario. I still think a general swap of KP for Siakam gets both teams a fresh start and out of a bad situation.
(11-06-2021, 07:49 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]For almost exactly a year now, when things blew up with Siakam in TOR and he got benched I have been dreaming of this trade scenario. I still think a general swap of KP for Siakam gets both teams a fresh start and out of a bad situation.
I think he's about two weeks from getting back on the floor. Birch is eligible to trade on 12/15 if he's part of the deal. Toronto is off to a nice start and hasn't gotten anything from Siakam or Dragic, so anything they get from us is purely additive at this point.
I really like the fit there. Barnes is their PF of the future and OG is their SF. That is much better than what we are able to put around KP in the front court. Between Maxi, Boucher and Achiuwa, they have plenty of size to handle the nights KP needs to rest. Barnes isn't an outside shooter yet and the fit with the Birch and Achiuwa center rotation isn't ideal. KP fixes that. They have inexpensive control of Maxi (which comes into play as Boucher is unrestricted this summer). Green makes some sense as a developmental wing off the bench with Mykhailuk.
(11-06-2021, 07:33 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]HAguiar95
I'd really like to see JB-Luka-DFS-Maxi-KP lineup to see the results.
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I'd like to see something close to this. If we are going to experiment, why not try some time with KP/Maxi starting together. However, I'd move DFS to the bench and start Bullock. Powell/DFS would be the bench bigs with THJ and Frank as the bench wings. This would work much better if we had Dragic or some other ball handler on the team. The DFS based lineup isn't ideal against guard dominant teams like Portland. The Bullock based lineup isn't ideal against teams with bigger wings like the Clippers (when everyone is healthy). I'm not a fan of single-big Powell, but if you have to do it, do it against bench bigs, not starters.
Next up, how to get Dragic...or someone like him. Inspired by Fifteenth, I've been playing around with Toronto deals. I wonder if things are bad enough with Siakam that they would do some kind of major deal where we get him and Dragic and take Birch into our TPE for a pick. I suspect it would cost Maxi and Green and a decent pick in addition to KP. I think KP would fit well with the bigger wings they have. Siakam (HS in Lewisville) would provide creation and on-ball defense at the PF position. He's not the best 3 point shooter in the world, but lineups with him have been incredibly positive the last several years despite the lack of outside shooting.
Powell/Burch
Siakam/DFS
Luka/THJ
Bullock/Frank
Brunson/Dragic
Would rather use the TPE for Favors and have a lineup of:
Favors/Powell
Siakam/DFS
Luka/THJ
Bullock/Frank
Brunson/Dragic
That's a team that can make it out of the 1st round.
(11-06-2021, 08:29 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Would rather use the TPE for Favors and have a lineup of:
Favors/Powell
That minor change (Favors instead of Birch) would throw Dallas into the LT. I was trying to design something that allowed Dallas to add bodies without doing that. Such a deal also takes OKC further from the minimum salary. That might benefit them if they have some bigger deal in mind...or it might not.
(11-06-2021, 08:42 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ] would throw Dallas into the LT.
Saddens me so much we're this many years into Luka's career and that's still a concern
We should have gone all-in 2 years ago
(11-06-2021, 08:42 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]That minor change (Favors instead of Birch) would throw Dallas into the LT. I was trying to design something that allowed Dallas to add bodies without doing that. Such a deal also takes OKC further from the minimum salary. That might benefit them if they have some bigger deal in mind...or it might not.
Would adding Burke to OKC fix either issue?? Not really for OKC so the questions become how much does OKC want for Favors and what would adding another player from Dallas do to the cost?
As scary as it is, KP is probably the key for us becoming a contender. If he can be a lower tier 2nd best player, this team is not far away.
I love how Jalen has been playing even when his shot is off. I don't think he is your third though. Maybe 3.5. If KP plays and is productive, it also makes Hardaway into a nice to have player. Not a player who we count on heavily to get to 20. We already have solid depth. We just need another 3.5 or 4 best player on the roster with continued internal advancement.
KP's health will also be the big question mark though. I loved how he played last night over the guy who waits at the three point line.
I am 100% out on Favors, and I am not sure why he is being considered other than for its via a buyout situation. I would much rather keep Powell because Powell can at least do something at a very high level.
I am not sure what value he would add to our team.
There are some players we can get with that TPE that can fix short term problems while also provide long term solutions into being apart of what we are building.
Favors is a short term option nothing else.
Bagley should be the guy we are targeting and players that fit a similar situation of needing a fresh start with high upside.
(11-07-2021, 05:12 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]As scary as it is, KP is probably the key for us becoming a contender. If he can be a lower tier 2nd best player, this team is not far away.
It's funny I keep waffling back and forth with KP. When he's out for 4-5 games, I think "Sheesh, the guy can never be healthy, you can't have him be in a prominent role on the team and expect to win anything big."
Then when he hits the floor and is playing like he's healthy I go: "Oh... Yeah this guy can vaunt the Mavs to a top 4 seed and can raise the ceiling in a significant way."
KP when good is exactly what we need. But it's hard to rely on that. After this latest injury in which someone just landed on him funny I'm ready to move on from him at the right price. I've always said he needs a chance where he has a totally healthy offseason, and he's had that. The results are mixed and he still can't stay healthy.
I still think the ideal is trying to get a sub-all star or an assortment of role players. Colin Sexton, Brandon Ingram, Buddy Hield, these are the type of guys I'd have my eye on. Anything less the Mavs are selling themselves short.
If KP can play up to his 25/10/2 potential, then he could get packaged for a more ready superstar... Say 1 Lillard/KAT/Tatum...? Unrealistic to say the least but who knows how KP will look in February?
(11-07-2021, 06:18 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: [ -> ]I would much rather keep Powell because Powell can at least do something at a very high level.
Yes, he can let opposing bigs bully him at an elite level. Other than that…ya got me!
(11-07-2021, 08:29 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, he can let opposing bigs bully him at an elite level. Other than that…ya got me!
I feel like we can do better than Favors.
I also feel like it was be done to trade for a guy that will be a buyout candidate.
If we have the chance to pick up a long term asset, I would much rather do that 10 times out of 10.
BTW, Bagley is not a bulIlish type big but an can create foul trouble and give us more value.
If a tough big is what you think we need, I would much rather we go after Cousins.
Look, there is a reason that Marvin Bagley can't get on the floor in Sacramento and it's not for a lack of chances. I really wouldn't want him on the Mavs. He plays ZERO defense, is all offense and honestly, we don't need any more one dimensional guys if their production (not just their potential) is not elite.
I think if we want Bagley, he's very gettable in the offseason. No reason to use an asset to get him. Not that Favors is all that as far as using an asset for him, but he would bring the smaller big body (6'9", 265 lbs) to the lineup that we desperately need to be able to get past these teams that push every one of our current bigs out of the way like they're rag dolls. He's on the decline at 30 and injured a decent amount, but nothing major, just bumps and bruises. He's a great offensive rebounder and rebounder in general, can block some shots and is reliable around the basket on offense. Not a flashy player, just a work horse type that would fit in with the group of guys we have now.
(11-07-2021, 07:42 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I still think the ideal is trying to get a sub-all star or an assortment of role players. Colin Sexton, Brandon Ingram, Buddy Hield, these are the type of guys I'd have my eye on. Anything less the Mavs are selling themselves short.
This is where I have no problem with a Brooks and Adams for KP trade. If we can get it done without adding any other assets, great! I really think Brooks is a great JYD type piece (at 6'7" 220 lbs, he is exactly the same size as DFS too) and I don't think Adams messes things up with our offense too terribly much if at all.
Would really like to see a 9 man rotation of:
Adams/Favors
Brooks/Kleber
Bullock/DFS
THJ
Luka/Brunson
2 of Brooks, Luka and Brunson have to be on the floor at all times giving JB lots of minutes (edit: would be 32 minutes a piece). I could put JB in instead of THJ too and DFS and Bullock are interchangeable at this point in my mind as well.
What about D.Theis ... enters the TPE ... a profile similar to Maxi, .. Powell / Green / Brown for Theis / House ?? .. Gordon could also be interesting