(11-12-2021, 07:05 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]But, what happens when he’s put in the PNR against a small ball team?
They would certainly target him, but Nurkic is also a guy capable of punishing small ball lineups. So I think it is difficult to judge before it is seen. In any case, at 12 mil per year it is not really tragic if he gets played off the court.
However, as Killer mentioned, I am also more sceptical about Luka-CJ-THJ combination. Not a lot of defense there. I would rather go THJ-Brunson (and whatever salary fillers) for CJ. I doubt Portland would do it, though.
(11-12-2021, 02:28 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed. Another guy I'm keeping an eye on is Nurkic. Nurkic clearly has no intention of staying in Portland after this season, and the same WCS/Green offer is exactly the minimum amount of salary required to trade match.
I wonder what type of salary Nurkic will demand this offseason. I would imagine staying healthy this year would give him more leverage. Those type of centers are weird on the open market. Sometimes they get a big bag, but other times they are squeezed a little. I don't expect he gets squeezed as bad as Dwight Howard or Andre Drummond got. But I wonder if he is a little over the MLE (10-14 million). I wonder if he is a trade target for Dallas this offseason giving Portland a small piece as they know Nurkic doesn't want to stay there.
(11-13-2021, 01:42 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]They would certainly target him, but Nurkic is also a guy capable of punishing small ball lineups. So I think it is difficult to judge before it is seen. In any case, at 12 mil per year it is not really tragic if he gets played off the court.
However, as Killer mentioned, I am also more sceptical about Luka-CJ-THJ combination. Not a lot of defense there. I would rather go THJ-Brunson (and whatever salary fillers) for CJ. I doubt Portland would do it, though.
Agree with all of this (including no chance Portland does that second trade).
In the event of this trade, I think THJ has to be your 6th man to spread out the defensive concerns. A starting lineup of Nurk/DFS/Luka/Bullock/CJ would be really good. The offense would be elite and the defense would not be bad either. The bench of Powell/Maxi/THJ/Frank/CJ would be really good as well. I would pull the trigger on this.
(11-13-2021, 07:56 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder what type of salary Nurkic will demand this offseason. I would imagine staying healthy this year would give him more leverage. Those type of centers are weird on the open market. Sometimes they get a big bag, but other times they are squeezed a little. I don't expect he gets squeezed as bad as Dwight Howard or Andre Drummond got. But I wonder if he is a little over the MLE (10-14 million). I wonder if he is a trade target for Dallas this offseason giving Portland a small piece as they know Nurkic doesn't want to stay there.
Nurk is on the last year of his contract unless you mean a S&T for him? You are probably about right on his value so that may be the only way the Mavs could get him. Maybe Portland would prefer Powell to nothing? We wont have any leverage (like we did this last offseason) becuse we can't operate under the cap. Still think this last offseason was a bust.
(11-13-2021, 11:20 AM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]I reall like this Iztok guy
He's the best basketball analyst in the DFW market, by far...and I don't think he's even in the DFW market, technically.
(11-13-2021, 11:19 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]Nurk is on the last year of his contract unless you mean a S&T for him? You are probably about right on his value so that may be the only way the Mavs could get him. Maybe Portland would prefer Powell to nothing? We wont have any leverage (like we did this last offseason) becuse we can't operate under the cap. Still think this last offseason was a bust.
Yeah, I was thinking about next year. He probably wants over the MLE but if he does his options are limited. Maybe Dallas could throw something at Portland as a sign and trade instead of them losing him for nothing. BTW, I need to watch him play. I saw him a few times last year and he was either good or pretty bad in the game I watched. Prior to his injuries, he looked to be really good.
I just think any trade for Portland is going to be tricky until the fire hose opens up. Any move that is deemed them taking a step back will open the fire hose imo. So I don't think anything really happens until Dame gets moved. I just don't think that happens this year. Portland seems to be in a rough place, but until Dame requests a trade I think they try to pretend they are a contender. I could be way off though.
(11-13-2021, 11:20 AM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]I reall like this Iztok guy
If KP is a true unicorn, then he creates mismatches and advantages whatever situation he is in. Last night, SA goes small and KP just makes life misearable for them. When a team goes big, KP creates mismatches against bigger less mobile bigs.
We haven't seen enough of this in his time in Dallas, but Luka and a healthy KP should be a walking mismatch however you try to play the Mavs.
(11-13-2021, 11:21 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think he's even in the DFW market, technically.
Agree that he is arguably posting best analytical articles and social network content on Mavs. He is Slovenian and if I am not wrong, he also lives in Slovenia. I really respect he is basically doing this as his hobby, as his job is in airline digitalization or something similar (really not my area of expertise, so forgive me if I didn't name it correctly). All full time journalists in Slovenia are limited to translating news from US, zero added value. Iztok is a breath of fresh air.
(11-13-2021, 11:26 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, I was thinking about next year. He probably wants over the MLE but if he does his options are limited. Maybe Dallas could throw something at Portland as a sign and trade instead of them losing him for nothing. BTW, I need to watch him play. I saw him a few times last year and he was either good or pretty bad in the game I watched. Prior to his injuries, he looked to be really good.
I just think any trade for Portland is going to be tricky until the fire hose opens up. Any move that is deemed them taking a step back will open the fire hose imo. So I don't think anything really happens until Dame gets moved. I just don't think that happens this year. Portland seems to be in a rough place, but until Dame requests a trade I think they try to pretend they are a contender. I could be way off though.
I don't really follow Portland closely, but I saw some rumors in the summer that sister of Paul Allen that inherited the team after his death, is looking to sell the franchise. And they need Lillard to maximize the value. Other than that she basically has zero interest in the team as we can see that staying under the tax is a priority every season. I have no idea if this is still relevant.
Btw - where did you see Nurkic doesn't want to resign? I thought he made several statements he wants to stay with Lillard, but again these date back to summer.
Portland is a bit over tax line (3 million according to Spotrac) at the moment so I would expect they make a move to get under the line. There is a hefty prize for non tax teams this season due to huge influx from taxed teams like BKN, GSW and similar. I think each team under the tax line will get well over 10 million. Problem they have is they can't really get under the tax without trading one of their key contributors for less (or zero) salary. A trade like CJ and Covington for Simmons could solve a couple of their problems.
Next season Portland has 115 mil commited to 6 players only with Covington, Nurkic, Simons and a bunch of role players looking for new deals that will likely be in the similar range or higher as existing ones - I don't think it is possible to keep them without entering tax area. Assuming the current owners are not prepared to pay tax, I would guess the team is heading toward a rebuild as the only way to stay under the tax is to lose talent which will probably not taken kindly by Lillard. Unless of course the team will be bought by an ambitious investor willing to pay the tax. They would maximize their rebuilding assets if they start before TDL and cash in on Nurk, RoCo and Simons.
(11-13-2021, 12:00 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Next season Portland has 115 mil commited to 6 players only with Covington, Nurkic, Simons and a bunch of role players looking for new deals that will likely be in the similar range or higher as existing ones -
Doncic 36
Porzingis 34
THJ 20
Powell 11
Bullock 10
Kleber 9
How much is that?
Oh also DFS and Brunson up for extension.
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(11-13-2021, 03:24 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]Doncic 36
Porzingis 34
THJ 20
Powell 11
Bullock 10
Kleber 9
How much is that?
Oh also DFS and Brunson up for extension.
What I think I know is that Portland owner doesn't want to pay tax. That was kind of the point, that it will be difficult to dream about contending with this limitation. It remains to be seen if Cuban is willing to do it.
Our top 9 man rotation is missing that player that can score double digits a night. If Bullock was supposed to be that guy he needs to get 4 more shots attempts a night. Something he has only done for a half a year at DET in 2018/19 (10 FGA). Marjanovic, Ntilikina and Bruke round out the top 12.
Who could we add that could get us about 12 PPG per night? Could it be Jeremy Lamb w/the TPE? Maybe a trade for a guy like Shake Milton or Lonnie Walker?
2021-22 PPG 2020-21 PPG [b]2019-20 PPG [/b]
1. Doncic 25.1 Doncic 27.7 Doncic 28.8
2. Porzingis 17.0 Porzingis 20.1 Porzingis 20.4
3. Hardaway 15.0 Hardaway 16.6 Hardaway 15.8
4. Brunson 14.7 Brunson 12.6 Curry 12.4
5. Richardson 12.1 Burke 12.0
6. FinneySmith 8.2 FinneySmith 9.8 FinneySmith 9.5
7. Powell 7.8 Kleber 7.1 Powell 9.4
8. Kleber 7.2 Burke 6.6 Kleber 9.1
9. Bullock 6.8 Powell 5.9 Brunson 8.2
What happened to Lonnie Walker? He was a Spur untouchable not too long ago, now he comes off the bench.
(11-13-2021, 03:55 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]This is from the summer, but I’ve seen no evidence that his opinion has changed or that the situation in Portland is any better.
Sadly its also Rich Paul that is his agent
For a while now I’ve thought about trying to get Derrick White off of SA as a good starting secondary creator to play off of Luka. Just can’t really come up with players that they would really want unless Pop believes in KP.
(11-14-2021, 07:29 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]For a while now I’ve thought about trying to get Derrick White off of SA as a good starting secondary creator to play off of Luka.
I think this is same as the Murray discussion we had in another thread. It is difficult to add another guard as long as we have THJ and Brunson. Unless you are moving from one of those two, I think big wing should be our target.
(11-14-2021, 07:34 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I think this is same as the Murray discussion we had in another thread. It is difficult to add another guard as long as we have THJ and Brunson. Unless you are moving from one of those two, I think big wing should be our target.
Murray is a player you get if you can and don’t worry as much about fit (not superstar level but maybe a 1 or 2 time allstar quality player). White isn’t at that level. In my opinion he is basically as good as JB on offense (maybe better, but he has basically peaked where JB might have more improvement to come) but he has size and plays defense pretty well.