(07-28-2021, 10:16 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]"I'm too stupid to read entire posts."
Did Kyle Lowry win a title, yes or no
(07-28-2021, 10:00 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]What exactly has Lowry won? Was he more important than Leonard, FVV or Siakam in that title run? His biggest accomplishment outside of that was a loss in the ECF and has mostly been a first or second round exit throughout his playoff career. And that was when he was much younger. Raptors were 15-31 in his starts last year.
Disagree about mostly a first round exit. He’s mostly been a second round exit in the LEastern Conference on some pretty good teams as a less than best player on the team though.
(07-28-2021, 10:06 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]
THJ can switch from not being able to guard the other team's shooting guard to not being able to guard the other team's small forward.
This is funny! But I don’t think it’s exactly right. I see Tim get in a stance and D up sometimes. And I have even fooled myself into thinking he’s turned a corner. It’s the lapses—mental lapses, it looks like—that do him in, isn’t it? Like he gets too distracted by one priority and forgets about another?
So yeah, I see his defensive blunders. And your point is well-taken. But it sure seems like he ought to be able to do better. He definitely has the size and athleticism to defend and to switch. At least that’s my take.
(07-28-2021, 10:05 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Hey, wouldn't surprise me, either, but we won't know until it happens. If he's here - can't switch, really. If he's gone and replaced with a more modern big, that becomes more of a possibility.
I'm pretty sure that's all DF98 was saying.
Exactly. But even more important. If the Mavs add a 6´0 guard like Lowry (let´s be honest...in shoes on a good day) it becomes even more difficult to switch on defense. One guy that cannot guard down. One guy that cannot guard up. Can surround them with three versatile wings and it wouldn´t matter. A good offense exploits and forces mismatches. The way most teams play these days (especially in the playoffs) it is all about mismatch hunting.
With Lowry and KP the Mavs would have two guys on the floor that are easy targets. One if gets switched onto a bigger wing or big. The other if he has to move his feet on the perimeter or in the pick and roll. That´s already to much. Prior to this years playoffs I thought that teams could get away with one liability as long as it isn´t the center. Now I am not sure if that´s still the case. Might need five guys that can at least do an okay job in most matchups.
Then again. Who knows what Kidd is planning. Maybe we will see a completly new defensive scheme or play full time zone. Maybe KP moves better than ever after a healthy offseason. Maybe KP isn´t even on the roster.
(07-28-2021, 10:19 PM)Branduil Wrote: [ -> ]Just putting this here because apparently Kyle Lowry was a do-nothing tag-along during Toronto's title run
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jusjl1MsV-A
If selective quoting, terrible assumptions and putting words into other people's mouths is how you need to prove a point, good job I guess.
(07-28-2021, 10:24 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly. But even more important. If the Mavs add a 6´0 guard like Lowry (let´s be honest...in shoes on a good day) it becomes even more difficult to switch on defense. One guy that cannot guard down. One guy that cannot guard up. Can surround them with three versatile wings and it wouldn´t matter. A good offense exploits and forces mismatches. The way most teams play these days (especially in the playoffs) it is all about mismatch hunting.
With Lowry and KP the Mavs would have two guys on the floor that are easy targets. One if gets switched onto a bigger wing or big. The other if he has to move his feet on the perimeter or in the pick and roll. That´s already to much. Prior to this years playoffs I thought that teams could get away with one liability as long as it isn´t the center. Now I am not sure if that´s still the case. Might need five guys that can at least do an okay job in most matchups.
Then again. Who knows what Kidd is planning. Maybe we will see a completly new defensive scheme or play full time zone. Maybe KP moves better than ever after a healthy offseason. Maybe KP isn´t even on the roster.
Actually no, he has a reputation for being a pretty solid defender from 1-3. He's short but he's very strong and has great length. He can definitely hold his own on switches. He's a perfect fit with Luka, the only downside is his age.
(07-28-2021, 10:24 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Then again. Who knows what Kidd is planning. Maybe we will see a completly new defensive scheme or play full time zone. Maybe KP moves better than ever after a healthy offseason. Maybe KP isn´t even on the roster.
Holy crap! This is the first time I have read you saying anything remotely positive about KP!
(07-28-2021, 10:28 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]If selective quoting, terrible assumptions and putting words into other people's mouths is how you need to prove a point, good job I guess.
I said Lowry is a proven winner, you disagreed, that video is my final answer. I don't see any point in continuing this, the facts speak for themselves. If Lowry is actually a loser, then so is Dirk.
(07-28-2021, 10:34 PM)Branduil Wrote: [ -> ]I said Lowry is a proven winner, you disagreed, that video is my final answer. I don't see any point in continuing this, the facts speak for themselves. If Lowry is actually a loser, then so is Dirk.
Let me help you out:
-I didn't call him a loser.
-I didn't call him a tag along do nothing player
-I didn't compare him to Lonzo as comparing their careers is silly for obvious reasons.
-I pointed out his successes without Leonard. And yes, that's pretty successful in a LeBron filled Eastern Conference.
If you want to argue his importance on the Raptors title run was him being Robin, that's cool. I'm not inclined to agree but that's here nor there . But no one would argue that he was Batman. Dirk's team won a championship in 2011. Leonard's team won a championship in 2019. That's not me calling Kyle "Bryan Cardinal" either. But this whole spiel of him being a "proven winner" is overblown a hair or two, much like Dallas/New Orleans thinking he'll do for them what CP3 did for the Suns.
Kyle Lowry was a really good player. He's probably still got some gas left in the tank.
Maybe stick to video game message boards if you want to so desperately prove a point that no one is arguing.
You can tell a lot about a player from reading what the fan base has to say. Toronto absolutely adores Kyle Lowry and many consider him the greatest Raptor of all time - I also have seen many that love the pairing with Luka. Pelicans fans do not give an F about losing Lonzo and are surprised by the numbers being rumored for his next contract.
(07-28-2021, 10:46 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Let me help you out:
-I didn't call him a loser.
-I didn't call him a tag along do nothing player
-I didn't compare him to Lonzo as comparing their careers is silly for obvious reasons.
-I pointed out his successes without Leonard. And yes, that's pretty successful in a LeBron filled Eastern Conference.
If you want to argue his importance on the Raptors title run was him being Robin, that's cool. I'm not inclined to agree but that's here nor there . But no one would argue that he was Batman. Dirk's team won a championship in 2011. Leonard's team won a championship in 2019. That's not me calling Kyle "Bryan Cardinal" either. But this whole spiel of him being a "proven winner" is overblown a hair or two, much like Dallas/New Orleans thinking he'll do for them what CP3 did for the Suns.
Kyle Lowry was a really good player. He's probably still got some gas left in the tank.
Maybe stick to video game message boards if you want to so desperately prove a point that no one is arguing.
Good thing literally no one expects him to play a Batman role here
(07-28-2021, 10:30 PM)sterlingmallory Wrote: [ -> ]Actually no, he has a reputation for being a pretty solid defender from 1-3. He's short but he's very strong and has great length. He can definitely hold his own on switches. He's a perfect fit with Luka, the only downside is his age.
He actually has very poor length. Worse than Brunson even. He is strong though and holds his ground well for his size with angles and stuff when getting backed down. Good bbiq. Not sure about the footspeed these days.
(07-28-2021, 10:55 PM)Branduil Wrote: [ -> ]Good thing literally no one expects him to play a Batman role here
I never said otherwise. Keep chasing ghosts though.
(07-28-2021, 10:49 PM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: [ -> ]You can tell a lot about a player from reading what the fan base has to say. Toronto absolutely adores Kyle Lowry and many consider him the greatest Raptor of all time - I also have seen many that love the pairing with Luka. Pelicans fans do not give an F about losing Lonzo and are surprised by the numbers being rumored for his next contract.
I heard Bob say in a card game I was in with him recently that Lowry has bad plus-minus arm deficiency with a side of age factoring area effect inadequacy. So there you have it!
Considering how Vince left the Raptors, Lowry being a fan favorite isn't terribly surprising.
(07-28-2021, 10:02 PM)Jommybone Wrote: [ -> ]All fair points. But it won’t surprise me one bit if KP is already gone. That rumored 3/90 contract suddenly makes a lot more sense if there’s an outgoing Zing accompanying it.
I find it unlikely that Toronto will want to take on KP contract, but that would certainly change the narrative. Even at 3/90 that leaves roughly 38 mil in cap available. Now names like Holmes, Powell, Dinwiddie, Noel that we are rumored to be interested in makes more sense. I would still prefer to ditch THJ for Holmes/Powell, but a Lowry/Holmes/THJ offseason would not be bad. You could make the argument that adding Holmes and Lowry make THJ defense in starting lineup less of an issue.
(07-28-2021, 09:50 PM)Jommybone Wrote: [ -> ]Really? Luka, Tim, Dorian, Maxi, Willy can all switch. There’s a playable unit. Richardson and Green too. The fellas who can’t switch as well are the ones most prominently mentioned as trade bait here, aren’t they? Jalen, Dwight, KP?
I know it's useless, but I just can't let this stand this way.
Luka can't defend scoring PGs on the perimeter.
THJs defensive problems are, that he doesn't know what to do. That's great in a switchheavy defense.
Letting your non-offense center getting switched makes it useless to play him.
But worst of all: putting Dwight into a can't switch category.