I guess I haven't caught up with new terminology. I sure think of Lonzo as a pg. Has the definition really changed?
(07-29-2021, 01:51 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]This last sentence is so on point 
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So you really want to play a switch everything defense? The offense just sets picks until they have their missmatch and trust me there is always one. Good defenses preswitch or avoid switches at all.
I’m agnostic about switch everything vs. don’t. I was just expressing surprise (“Really?”) that KL thought our current roster prevents Kidd from going that route. KL since clarified it is the
presence of Porzingis that he was referencing, not the
absence of switch-capable players, so I now understand his point. But it is not obvious how long KP will be here, so I still think it is quite possible Kidd plans to switch everything. More likely he plans to use multiple defenses and switch them up. But again, I don’t know or particularly care. I just think the Mavs are better equipped now than in recent memory to employ exactly that brand of defense. So Killer’s seeming disagreement surprised me.
(07-29-2021, 01:34 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]I guess I haven't caught up with new terminology. I sure think of Lonzo as a pg. Has the definition really changed?
Here is a really good article that articulates this mindset better than I could. I think the offensive fit with Luka is perfect, and he is a good defender, but we may still be looking for a true point of attack defender. Still, given his youth and the improvement he has already shown, I would be very satisfied with going down this route long term.
https://theanalyst.com/na/2021/07/lonzo-...ree-agent/
(07-29-2021, 01:27 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe you can even make the argument that you are willing to spend a little more on Lowry if you can dump KP (that would depend on a prior conversation with Toronto).
This in no way makes it "air". Seriously? If we SnT for Dragic on a 3 for $90M contract, does that make it "air" for KP? MAYBE if you're trading for a 1 year contract at the TDL, you can call it "air". You're not getting "air" if it's a multi year deal, because if the player returning doesn't work out, you don't have "air" to figure out how to correct the mistake, which is what you think we need to do with KP now. Glad the FO doesn't think that way.
I get the concept, I really do, but if we're going to sign Lowry for an absurd contract, I'd rather keep KP on his currently absurd contract, cause I know there is a much better chance that he lives up to the contract as opposed to Lowry.
(07-29-2021, 02:23 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]Here is a really good article that articulates this mindset better than I could. I think the offensive fit with Luka is perfect, and he is a good defender, but we may still be looking for a true point of attack defender. Still, given his youth and the improvement he has already shown, I would be very satisfied with going down this route long term.
https://theanalyst.com/na/2021/07/lonzo-...ree-agent/
Primary ballhandler next to him...check (Luka)
Better onball defender next to him...check (DFS)
I have a feeling Brunson will be traded in the coming days. Seems like a RC guy, Mavs want to add a veteran ballhandler badly, hasn't proven himself at all last playoffs
(07-29-2021, 02:39 PM)Thukydides Wrote: [ -> ]I have a feeling Brunson will be traded in the coming days. Seems like a RC guy, Mavs want to add a veteran ballhandler badly, hasn't proven himself at all last playoffs
Fred was my second-favorite Mav for much of this past season. So disappointing, what happened in the playoffs. Still like the guy and hope they get his worth in trade - e.g. Robinson or our '23 back (protections removed is not enough). Okay with using him to dump Powell (not JRich, which should be a lot cheaper as he's expiring) as long as the replacement player we sign with the room is better than Brunson.
(07-29-2021, 02:27 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]This in no way makes it "air". Seriously? If we SnT for Dragic on a 3 for $90M contract, does that make it "air" for KP? MAYBE if you're trading for a 1 year contract at the TDL, you can call it "air". You're not getting "air" if it's a multi year deal, because if the player returning doesn't work out, you don't have "air" to figure out how to correct the mistake, which is what you think we need to do with KP now. Glad the FO doesn't think that way.
I get the concept, I really do, but if we're going to sign Lowry for an absurd contract, I'd rather keep KP on his currently absurd contract, cause I know there is a much better chance that he lives up to the contract as opposed to Lowry.
Yes, that would still be "air" (meaning just cap space, no incoming or outgoing assets). It would just be a terrible contract for Dragic. The decision to send KP is separate. You can make an argument (which I would agree with) that Lowry contract would be terrible regardless of sending KP or not.
As for sending KP in a S&T of any kind, for me it would depend on what we did with that cap space. If we could use it to land Holmes and a significant portion of Norman Powell, then I am more than happy to do it. If we can't get any quality assets and punt to cap space in future years, than I think its a terrible idea.
Fortunately, it looks like if nothing else this new regime has learned how to tamper. Whatever we do, I now have hope that we will have our ducks lined in a row by the time free agency starts.
(07-29-2021, 01:30 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder if guys like TMac and Kobe would be viewed as PGs these days.
I think they probably were thought of that way by their own teams even back then. At least during the portions of the games when they played that way, mostly in the 4th quarter for Kobe. I think they made a conscious choice to play him at the one in their offense during certain parts of the game, but that the talking heads on TV and the media we’re just slow to use the terminology.
There are like two whole generations of basketball fans who think player’s positions are determined solely by size. It’s bananas.
(07-29-2021, 02:50 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I think they probably were thought of that way by their own teams even back then. At least during the portions of the games when they played that way, mostly in the 4th quarter for Kobe. I think they made a conscious choice to play him at the one in their offense during certain parts of the game, but that the talking heads on TV and the media we’re just slow to use the terminology.
There are like two whole generations of basketball fans who think player’s positions are determined solely by size. It’s bananas.
IIRC MJ did the same thing with the Bulls. In the fourth quarter he was the pg. Probably splitting hairs here, but neither (MJ or Kobe) was really the full time pg in the way that Luka is.
(07-29-2021, 02:59 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]IIRC MJ did the same thing with the Bulls. In the fourth quarter he was the pg. Probably splitting hairs here, but neither (MJ or Kobe) was really the full time pg in the way that Luka is.
The 90s Bulls are probably the closest thing to some of the modern teams with bigger primary ballhandlers. I would argue that Pippen did most of the things that are thought of as PG duties. With MJ and him they had two wing sized ballhandlers. The small guard in the lineup was spot up and defense only (Kerr, Paxson, Harper).
(07-29-2021, 02:23 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]Here is a really good article that articulates this mindset better than I could. I think the offensive fit with Luka is perfect, and he is a good defender, but we may still be looking for a true point of attack defender. Still, given his youth and the improvement he has already shown, I would be very satisfied with going down this route long term.
https://theanalyst.com/na/2021/07/lonzo-...ree-agent/
Most of the PNR clips are with a lineup of Adams, Zion, Bledsoe. The spacing is so bad and not utilizing Zion properly. Every team is just camping the paint. Adams doesn't really pose any threat as a roll or pop man, very minimal effort needed to take care of him. Makes you wonder if Griffin is some kind of inside agent to make a shit roster to get Zion to leave to a big market.
He'll definitely be much better on a team that can take advantage of his vision with cutters, Mavs aren't really great at that right now unless they make some moves. KP has his moments though and I don't doubt Luka would be amazing at it. Dodo/Maxi aren't the best cutters/inside finishers.
If he needs to tighten his handle, isn't that what the Shammgod is for? Is he as good of a coach as advertised?
My guess is Mavs don't do anything until JRich opts in. I think nothing happens today
3 days until free agency.
Luka could do some damage with Graham, Holmes, Batum (or DFS and Batum coming off the bench at the 3-5 positions) and KP starting with him.
(07-31-2021, 10:39 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/CBAMavs/status/1421493849441046528
Great info, thanks.
Would be great to lock up DFS for a few more years, though I’m not as worried about him leaving as a UFA.
Brunson, OTOH, has to either be extended or traded IMO so that we don’t lose him for nothing. Maybe and extend and trade could open up more options if JB likes the money, but not necessarily the long term role with the Mavs.