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(08-07-2021, 07:28 PM)DallasBasketball Wrote: [ -> ]It seems we are lacking in that role. 

I disagree somewhat w your description of J Rich as a point guard type. I never saw him in much of a point guard role, but he could pass, break down a defender and certainly create offense for himself and others. But as far as if he was needed to ACTUALLY play PG, I believe Burke would have leap-frogged him to fill that role. 

We obviously don’t know that for sure, but with that as my theory I don’t think we are any worse off at bupg than we were last year. But we do lack one offensive creator(who was marginal at it)

That said, I totally agree with your overall sentiment. In all our minds and hearts Dragic is supposed to be here filling those shoes. He’s not. So what do they need to do? I know we have some cap space left if under the cap. We also have the TPE. 

There seems to be DSJ’s name possibly throwing rocks at the window.

Then there is a player whose name has not been brought up for which I won’t name, but you can try and guess. 

1 I assume there is no cap room, and never was. Always over the cap, all players signed or added via exceptions. TPE still exists, but it takes a trade to get value from it. Same with JJ Redick rights. Players can be signed using the leftover sliver of the BAE, or using the minimum salary exception.
.... Also, they have 15 players with contracts and some guaranteed money. They can go up to 20 in offseason, but regular season limit is 15. If you add someone, you have to move or waive someone (and if a waiver, at a cap cost).

2 No idea who you are thinking of. I don't read minds. There are thousands of players around the world.

(08-07-2021, 07:28 PM)DallasBasketball Wrote: [ -> ]Then there is a player whose name has not been brought up for which I won’t name, but you can try and guess. 

Lonzo Ball AND Kyle Lowry after their trades are revoked!

I wonder if we could trade for John Wall and get Houston to throw in a first or two to get us to take his giant contact ) if we are operating over the cap anyway).  He's a playmaker, defender, but can't fully carry the team any more... Vet also.

(08-07-2021, 08:09 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]1 I assume there is no cap room, and never was.

2 No idea who you are thinking of. I don't read minds. There are thousands of players around the world.

1. Are you saying there is no under the cap route? Or that you disagree with the notion that the Mavs would use said route. If it’s the latter, makes sense given the potential of the roster is higher.

2. Okay I’ll give in. JJB is the player I wasn’t going to name. 

(08-07-2021, 09:34 PM)DallasBasketball Wrote: [ -> ]1. Are you saying there is no under the cap route? Or that you disagree with the notion that the Mavs would use said route. If it’s the latter, makes sense given the potential of the roster is higher.

2. Okay I’ll give in. JJB is the player I wasn’t going to name. 

They started over the cap, and the only way to cap room is to start discarding various holds, rights, and exemptions. It is my belief that they have passed the point of making a choice, as some moves have been formalized.

We have heard reports that they are done.

I also think they really don't want to elevate the ongoing payroll further, so squeezing out some cap room (if they could) would be of no interest.

That's not an unreasonable way for them to plan, given the huge jump coming next summer (with new deals upcoming for all of Luka, Brunson, DFS, and WCS). If we just assume fairly modest raises for all of them except Luka, they're probably looking at being well past the apron, with a big tax bill. (And if they don't keep some of those players, all of them have a real role, so they'd be looking at finding a replacement for any they don't keep, which is just as costly.)

It's crucial this year for KP to elevate his game and be worth that huge contract, where it's a big payroll for a big winner rather than for a lower seed one-and-done level club. If he doesn't, they have to get off of his $30+M salary. DP's overpay is also going to be uncomfortable too, so they will want to elevate his value and be able to move him, I think, especially if they keep KP.

(08-07-2021, 10:39 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]It's crucial this year for KP to elevate his game and be worth that huge contract, where it's a big payroll for a big winner rather than for a lower seed one-and-done level club. If he doesn't, they have to get off of his $30+M salary. DP's overpay is also going to be uncomfortable too, so they will want to elevate his value and be able to move him, I think, especially if they keep KP.

Makes sense that they would throttle back a little to prep for future seasons. 

If cap considerations are such that we are already at a virtual cap threshold, then it would seem using the trade exception may not be doable, unless we first trade Dwight Powell. 

And can you believe he’s going to be the 3rd highest paid Mav this season? Barf. I like him as a person and a player, but when it’s put like that it really hits ya upside the head how overpaid he is.

The 6M guaranteed next year is quite a riddle too.

(08-07-2021, 07:18 PM)DallasBasketball Wrote: [ -> ]Want to break down the pick status?

I’ll go first.  I think it is our 2023 that is top 10 protected through 2025, which limits us from trading a FRP until 2027.. BUT we can choose to unprotect it which will allow us to trade our 2025 first. I’m just repeating what I think I heard elsewhere.

OK, I’ll go second.  If we had a first in 2023 (either ours back or someone else’s without restrictions) we could trade 22, 24 and 26 plus filler for the star to hit the market.  If you are the other team, do you want 25/27 or 22/24/26.  BTW, NY will charge you to amend the deal just to make their pick more attractive.  The precedent is what cleared all the picks Milwaukee sent for Holiday.

(08-07-2021, 11:24 PM)DallasBasketball Wrote: [ -> ]The 6M guaranteed next year is quite a riddle too.

That comes from Hoopshype.  I don’t believe it has been picked up by Basketball Insider or Spotrac (which would make me feel better).

I’m not sure it helps his trade value.  It could have some utility in helping to clear some 2022 salary for someone I guess.  Powell can turn someone’s $16mm salary into $6mm.  It is possible someone might value that if they really want to clear 2022 space (or just pay someone with space to take a $10mm player?).  

I don’t see Powell as a tool for bringing back a bad salary since it only brings back $16mm by itself.  He can be combined with someone to get to a bigger number, but who.  He and Maxi can bring back a $25 million player and clear all but $5mm.  Again, good for someone to clear 2022 space for the other team, but what do we get for that?

Looks like Jarrett Culver is still on the trade block. Another former top 10 pick that has fallen from grace. From a Mavs perspective I see quite a few interesting options for a trade with the T´Wolves. As of now the Wolves lack center depth. Only two legit bigs on the roster. Towns and Reed (undersized). They could actually use another center.
Combinations of WCS/Burke/Powell for Culver/Hernangomez/Layman/Okogie

For example: Powell + Burke + 2nds for Culver + Hernangomez
or: WCS + Burke for Culver
or: Powell + 2nds for Culver + Layman  (or Okogie)

Maybe not the slam dunk trade that brings back a proven playmaker but a way to rebalance the roster (get rid of a center) and upgrade the overall talent.

(08-08-2021, 08:35 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]OK, I’ll go second.  If we had a first in 2023 (either ours back or someone else’s without restrictions) we could trade 22, 24 and 26 plus filler for the star to hit the market.  If you are the other team, do you want 25/27 or 22/24/26.  BTW, NY will charge you to amend the deal just to make their pick more attractive.  The precedent is what cleared all the picks Milwaukee sent for Holiday.

Thank you very much for the break down.

(08-08-2021, 08:51 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]That comes from Hoopshype.  I don’t believe it has been picked up by Basketball Insider or Spotrac (which would make me feel better).

I’m not sure it helps his trade value.  It could have some utility in helping to clear some 2022 salary for someone I guess.  Powell can turn someone’s $16mm salary into $6mm.  It is possible someone might value that if they really want to clear 2022 space (or just pay someone with space to take a $10mm player?).  

I don’t see Powell as a tool for bringing back a bad salary since it only brings back $16mm by itself.  He can be combined with someone to get to a bigger number, but who.  He and Maxi can bring back a $25 million player and clear all but $5mm.  Again, good for someone to clear 2022 space for the other team, but what do we get for that?

So that’s interesting upside. Are you describing an, ‘I’ll take back 2 years of your player for one year of mine’ type of scenario? Where the best case is we get the better player in the deal or a pick out of the deal?

Thanks for the note about Hoopshype reporting.

Interesting tidbit for the cap trackers -- it looks like Bullock's 3rd year is only partially guaranteed.

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status...6123942920

Latest roster sheet:

If the Mavs do not get a star via trade, then I fully expect the Mavs are setting themselves up for 2023 free agency.

THJ and Luka will be the only big long term deals. KP will only have one more year left. RB is not guaranteed. 

It will be interesting to watch if the Mavs extend DFS and JB or whether they trade them for either a star OR for guys that expire in 2023.

If the salaries for THJ and SBrown turn out to be as listed above, the Mavs have left themselves some flexibility, potentially. From there, if they waived NBrown, they would still be a sliver under the cap in total, with all salaries included.

That might allow them to pivot and renounce various exceptions and holds and TPEs, and open up the Room MLE of about 4.8M to sign someone else, if they had someone else to sign and needed more than the minimum salary.

Barring such a need, they still have available their 10.9M TPE, a smaller sliver, the Redick sign-and-trade concept, and minimum salary exceptions.

PS - Your "total salary" number (not including holds) is way off, in both 21-22 and in 22-23, Kamm.

(08-08-2021, 09:21 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Looks like Jarrett Culver is still on the trade block. Another former top 10 pick that has fallen from grace. From a Mavs perspective I see quite a few interesting options for a trade with the T´Wolves. As of now the Wolves lack center depth. Only two legit bigs on the roster. Towns and Reed (undersized). They could actually use another center.
Combinations of WCS/Burke/Powell for Culver/Hernangomez/Layman/Okogie

For example: Powell + Burke + 2nds for Culver + Hernangomez
or: WCS + Burke for Culver
or: Powell + 2nds for Culver + Layman  (or Okogie)

Maybe not the slam dunk trade that brings back a proven playmaker but a way to rebalance the roster (get rid of a center) and upgrade the overall talent.

Good idea. Similar to a Mo Bamba swap. Maybe Moses and Burke outgoing. Saves the other org $. We need a reclamation project like that. Got to get creative

(08-09-2021, 08:51 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]It will be interesting to watch if the Mavs extend DFS and JB or whether they trade them for either a star OR for guys that expire in 2023.

I swear if they let one or both of these guys walk next offseason without any compensation…


I personally would try to extend now. Offer Brunson $21-24/3 and DFS $36-40/4. If they take it they’re on good, tradeable contracts that you can easily combine into a trade if necessary, and won’t add to be too much where you kill 2023 cap space if you’re aiming for that. 

If they don’t take it, then you gotta seriously consider trading them this season which pains me cause I love DFS and can’t wait to get me a jersey of his in whatever new style this season is the coolest.

THJ did get $75M in salary. And with them going to a decreasing salary on THJ, that ends any possibility of anything fancy from here.

To do anything else, they still have available their 10.9M TPE, a smaller sliver, the Redick sign-and-trade possibility, and minimum salary exceptions.

In other words, they are done.

(08-09-2021, 09:14 PM)DrMav Wrote: [ -> ]I swear if they let one or both of these guys walk next offseason without any compensation…


I personally would try to extend now. Offer Brunson $21-24/3 and DFS $36-40/4. If they take it they’re on good, tradeable contracts that you can easily combine into a trade if necessary, and won’t add to be too much where you kill 2023 cap space if you’re aiming for that. 

If they don’t take it, then you gotta seriously consider trading them this season which pains me cause I love DFS and can’t wait to get me a jersey of his in whatever new style this season is the coolest.

I agree with this, but if they do not end up getting Dragic or something similar, there is no way they can trade Brunson (unless its for a true secondary playmaker).

(08-09-2021, 09:14 PM)DrMav Wrote: [ -> ]I swear if they let one or both of these guys walk next offseason without any compensation…

I personally would try to extend now. Offer Brunson $21-24/3 and DFS $36-40/4. If they take it they’re on good, tradeable contracts that you can easily combine into a trade if necessary, and won’t add to be too much where you kill 2023 cap space if you’re aiming for that. 

If they don’t take it, then you gotta seriously consider trading them this season which pains me cause I love DFS and can’t wait to get me a jersey of his in whatever new style this season is the coolest.

DFS, Brunson, and WCS to a lesser extent will be interesting decisions, because of the value of those players on the team, vs the payroll implications of keeping them.

Right now they are looking at about $133M in salary - with an estimated $119M cap, $145M tax line, and $151.6M apron line - before paying a penny to any of these 3 players. But if they don't sign them, they have then to pay to replace them (or lose talent they badly need), so they're stuck between a rock and a hard place. I think they will pay up.

I think your numbers on extensions are very reasonable offers, and perhaps enough to get a deal done. They're in line with deals done this summer. I wouldn't be surprised if that's next on Nico's schedule, to try to get something done with DFS and JB. (WCS is not eligible.) The window on such a deal closes when the season starts.