(07-26-2021, 11:57 PM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: [ -> ]I think you are right on this. I must admit that it is more that I *want* pouting Porzingis gone than it is an actual belief that it will happen.
The approach you described above I think is the likely (and non-creative - typical post-2011 Mavs) path towards adjusting the roster in free agency. I think they’ll lose out on Lowry (New Orleans), Conley (Utah), and Holmes (Charlotte) because they’ll be outbid. I think Hardaway will be pricier than $18M and they’ll be settling for a couple of mid-tier guys like Dragic and Noel or O. Porter.
If they could find a way to offload KP in a cost-cutting way, they wouldn't get outbid.
I need my banghead smiley.
(07-26-2021, 11:55 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Just say no to Kardashians.
This is the most important thing...
(07-26-2021, 11:59 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly its hard to see any under the cap scenario where I would not be disappointed with THJ.
I love all of your stuff, and almost always agree.
But this makes me want to roll my sleeves up and make fists.
If Holmes resigns in Sac, or comes here to Dallas, would Charlotte have any interest/use for Powell? Could be an interesting way for those here who are intrigued by Monk or Graham to work out a S&T with Charlotte
(07-26-2021, 11:59 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]If we pay 18-20 mil for THJ while operating under the cap, it will be a complete failure. Honestly its hard to see any under the cap scenario where I would not be disappointed with THJ. It's also hard to see any good over the cap scenario where we keep both KP and THJ.
Correct.
THJ Mavs salary reactions:
$14M or less - that's acceptable, as long as we get something else good in free agency. Welcome back, Hugsmeister!
$14.25M-$16.5M - Eh. They paid him as a starter, when he ain't if we want to make the second round.
$16.75M-$18M - Typical Mavs, bidding against themselves and unnecessarily clogging their cap. The Luka clock is officially ticking in the worst way possible.
$18.25 or more - Can we please have Donnie back? Even he wouldn't have been so abjectly stupid.
You can't look at THJ as the other teams competing for his services would. He cannot start for the Mavs, period. He's worth less to us than to those other teams. If he wants to give us a sweetheart deal, great; otherwise retaining him is dumbassed. Given that Norman Powell is better at defense and could thus start for us, it would be dumb not to pursue him over THJ.
(07-26-2021, 11:23 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]What's the price of offloading Powell and how on earth can we afford it?
After the press conference, I don't see KP going anywhere this summer. Kidd isn't a good enough public speaker to be trying to pump up a trade value. KP is probably a huge reason for the MBT shakeup and I'm sure one of Cubes mandates for his new hires was to try and right that ship.
I doubt a second or even two does it. Maybe attaching Brunson to him?
If we were really go down this route of keeping KP and THJ and getting Lowery, maybe you can S&T Lowry (I would prefer Ball) for Brunson/Powell/JRich and sign Noel (another center we are rumored to be in on) with the MLE. You still have the BAE as well. Then you are starting Noel/KP/DFS/Luka/Lowry with a bench of WCS/Maxi/Green/THJ/Burke and using the room to get a backup point guard. That would not be terrible.
(07-27-2021, 12:09 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I doubt a second or even two does it. Maybe attaching Brunson to him?
Aw, hell, no. Gotta get something of substantial value back for Brunson. That one would hurt, especially if free agency goes as it typically does.
(07-27-2021, 12:01 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I love all of your stuff, and almost always agree.
But this makes me want to roll my sleeves up and make fists.
So I realize this comes across as bashing, but the reasoning is more subtle. If we operate under the cap, then my goal is to land two quality starters with the primary focus being defense and secondary play making/creation. THJ does not address either of those issues, and his salary will be such that we can not go after any of the top tier talent available with the remaining cap. I like him as a player and a Maverick, but the issue is about situational cap fit and need.
If it helps, I did just suggest an over the cap scenario (that may or may not be realistic) that includes him.
KP and THJ being the highest paid players again (before Luka’s extension kicks in) would produce similar results to the last 2 seasons: one and done.
This can’t be the way.
(07-27-2021, 12:09 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I doubt a second or even two does it. Maybe attaching Brunson to him?
If we were really go down this route of keeping KP and THJ and getting Lowery, maybe you can S&T Lowry (I would prefer Ball) for Brunson/Powell/JRich and sign Noel (another center we are rumored to be in on) with the MLE. You still have the BAE as well. Then you are starting Noel/KP/DFS/Luka/Lowry with a bench of WCS/Maxi/Green/THJ/Burke and using the room to get a backup point guard. That would not be terrible.
I'd rather just keep Powell/Brunson and maybe flip Brunson for a future pick or Robinson.
(07-27-2021, 12:38 AM)SamStetz Wrote: [ -> ]![[Image: tenor.gif]](https://i.ibb.co/TbPsbbc/tenor.gif)
Read the previous post. The idea was to flip Powell using Brunson.
(07-27-2021, 12:43 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Read the previous post. The idea was to flip Powell using Brunson.
Sorry, the “why not both” was in reference to the Brunson for Robinson or future pick (why not Robinson + future pick)
(07-27-2021, 12:45 AM)SamStetz Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry, the “why not both” was in reference to the Brunson for Robinson or future pick (why not Robinson + future pick)
Oh. I think that's probably too rich for Brunson. Sorry!
(07-27-2021, 12:38 AM)SamStetz Wrote: [ -> ]
The only way it can be both is if NY is so kind as to take Powell along with Brunson in return for Robinson or our pick back.
Unless, of course, they want to give us both. Brunson/Powell for Robinson/Mavs '23 FRP. Pencil in Nico for GM of the year.
(07-27-2021, 12:46 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Oh. I think that's probably too rich for Brunson. Sorry!
Hopefully Nico can earn an Ainge-like reputation this offseason.
Late night ramble mode activated:
I've had one too many coffee's staying up and a nagging thought just couldn't exit my mind until I explored it. What thought could be so fluid and effervescent might you ask? Well none other than Marvin Bagley.
I still believe and have my penny stock in Bagley. Woj has hinted him being on the move this offseason after an entire year of subtweets from fathers screaming for him to be booted out of Sactown.
Perhaps there is a Mavs angle here, given that we're rumored to have interest in Holmes. How would one feel about this trade?
SAC: KP+JRich
Mavs: Barnes+Bagley+Holmes SnT.
Mavs sign Holmes to 4/64 or something like that. Mavs would add about 4 mil in salary, but revamp their frontcourt rotation significantly. Barnes has changed since his stint with the Mavs. He's really embraced his 3-D role once he arrived in SAC town and has become the 4th option he was always meant to be.
I don't know how I feel about such a move because I really do think KP is due for a bounce back year (and I try not to overhype players that overperform in contract years like Holmes), but it is an interesting pivot. Especially because it leaves the door open still for someone like Lowry to come.
(07-27-2021, 12:59 AM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: [ -> ]If the Mavs get outbid on Lowry, especially by the Pelican’ts, then they desire this to happen to them again
I will just repeat the question I posted in the dedicated trade thread. Did Pels clear cap space because they HOPE to do something or because they KNOW what they will use it for? Of course I am not 100 % sure about the answer, but I am affraid the answer is "they know" - Lowry already agreed to sign with Pels.
(07-27-2021, 01:53 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]How would one feel about this trade?
SAC: KP+JRich
Mavs: Barnes+Bagley+Holmes SnT.
My feeling is that it's impossible, because Holmes wouldn't sign the deal, making the rest of it moot.
Sacramento can't sign him to a 1st year salary more than about 10.5M. With him looking for much more, than eliminates the ability for them to do the "sign" part of the sign-and-trade to another team.
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