I don't see many Knicks games, I could be wrong..but on paper his skill set should fit as a 2/3 option..can Create for himself and others, good passer, very good robber, can switch on defense, big and strong to complement KP in the frontcourt and good scorer..sounds good..and he seems to be very hard working and in the past he expressed his desire to play for the Mavs .. Given our assets it seems like a perfect target
I would make that switch from THJ to Pistons ... even without Diallo ... getting rid of Tim's salary (or part) would be great ... on the other hand it would make us look very bad ... switching Tim, our star FA signing. .Just a few months after he accepted a discount to return
Would you guts trade Jalen Brunson and THJ for Myles Turner? I think Pacers fan would love Jalen Brunson playing for the Pacers.
(01-02-2022, 06:40 AM)RedFlag41 Wrote: [ -> ]Would you guts trade Jalen Brunson and THJ for Myles Turner? I think Pacers fan would love Jalen Brunson playing for the Pacers.
I would, but I’d first attempt to add a DP for Lamb swap too.
I doubt that package will give you Turner..THJ is a bad contract, right now and Jalen is FA which detracts from it .. They have Brogdon / Duarte / Levert / Holiday under long term contract why would they want to pay Tim 20 ...? ... Bear in mind that he is the best blocker in the NBA, he shoots + - at 40% of 3, he is young and he is locked in a decent contract, that is more valuable than an expiring guard, of insufficient size and doubtful defense, good offensively + 1 shooter of 36% who earns more money than Turner..if they change it, it is for a better adjustment for Sabonis or an overpayment .. he will have many admirers too ... I also do not see the adjustment with KP, for the same reason that doesn't work in Indiana ... one of KP / Turner would have to defend the perimeter ... I don't think it's a good idea to spend all the assets on that ... unless you plan to move KP
(01-01-2022, 07:22 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Hey, you might be right. I'm not a Randle expert. I have heard several national people I respect suggest that his effectiveness is all about how he's being used, and I don't agree that he wasn't the main initiator last season in NY, Rose or no Rose.
What I have observed around here for more than a decade is this: "_____ is a big from another team I've heard of. He must be a good low-post scorer and rebounder." I do not think that assumption (which I'm not meaning to imply is how you think) is correct very often, and in Randle's case, specifically, I don't think his production or how he achieves it make him a clear fit with Luka and Porzingis. Possibly as a replacement for Porzingis, I suppose.
If Porzingis is going to have the ball during a large portion of the time Luka doesn't, which seems to be the plan, then I'm struggling to see how his running mate (be it a 4 or a 5) can be anything buy a catch and shoot guy from range. Porzingis' game needs space to work, too. Even a rim-runner (which Randle definitely isn't) wouldn't fit, imo. It would help Luka, but not with KP in the way.
Why Kleber wasn't the first logical attempt at complementing Porzingis this season, particularly because of the plan to get him the ball inside the arc, will always be a mystery to me. I think it's a crime that we haven't seen enough of that yet to know if it's going to work.
I don't see how Kleber complements KP when they both operate primarily from the perimeter. Somebody needs to be in the post, and neither are post players.
(01-01-2022, 09:08 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]Diallo has been balling lately for Detroit. 15/5 with two steals in his last 10. Last 3 games he averaged nearly 30 points, 10 rebounds, 4 assists, 4 steals.
Olynyk/Diallo for THJ is a trade, that could solidify our backcourt rotation and add some much need depth at PF/C.
Highly unlikely Detroit trades Diallo, especially for THJ, unless they get an offer that blows them away. He was a great pickup from OKC and fits what they are trying to create. Diallo is more athletic, doesn't shoot the 3 as well, but he checks more boxes than THJ ever could. He and Bey have both been playing well even though Detroit has been losing and playing basically a G-league team due to Covid and injuries.
(01-02-2022, 08:57 AM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see how Kleber complements KP when they both operate primarily from the perimeter. Somebody needs to be in the post, and neither are post players.
Well, there's a lot to discuss in such a short post.
For starters, I'm not sure "somebody needs to be in the post." But, we can just accept your assertion there and move on for now, I suppose.
Have you watched the Mavs this season? Getting KP the ball in the paint or in the high post IS their offense (unfortunately). What I'm saying is that someone, like Kleber, who is able to keep their defender out of the paint, away from those areas, might give that plan a snowball's chance in hell of being successful.
(01-02-2022, 09:07 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Well, there's a lot to discuss in such a short post.
For starters, I'm not sure "somebody needs to be in the post." But, we can just accept your assertion there and move on for now, I suppose.
Have you watched the Mavs this season? Getting KP the ball in the paint or in the high post IS their offense (unfortunately). What I'm saying is that someone, like Kleber, who is able to keep their defender out of the paint, away from those areas, might give that plan a snowball's chance in hell of being successful.
Kleber defends other bigs well, if he has to guard big wings, that are quicker that's where it gets dicey. I have watched Mavs games and while Kidd is running more sets for KP around the basket, he's still more comfortable on the perimeter. That's what I meant. Just my take...
(01-02-2022, 09:12 AM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: [ -> ]Kleber defends other bigs well, if he has to guard big wings, that are quicker that's where it gets dicey. I have watched Mavs games and while Kidd is running more sets for KP around the basket, he's still more comfortable on the perimeter. That's what I mean't.
Hmmm, I’ve seen it the other way around. We don’t have a guy on roster that guards bigs well first of all. Kleber plays best against less physical big wings, but he has been seen guarding smaller wings well too.
(01-02-2022, 09:12 AM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: [ -> ]Kleber defends other bigs well, if he has to guard big wings, that are quicker that's where it gets dicey. I have watched Mavs games and while Kidd is running more sets for KP around the basket, he's still more comfortable on the perimeter. That's what I meant. Just my take...
Ok, but right now they're playing Powell instead, not a wing. I'd think Kleber would be a step up from there against smaller defenders, no? And, if the other team is really beating you by going small, there's always sliding DFS to the 4. That would probably be the best case scenario for the Mavs' roster, imo.
I'm not arguing what/who KP is or what he's comfortable with. I tend to agree with you about that. I'm just talking about what the team is
trying to do. I'm sick of seeing Luka/Powell pick and roll with KP (and his defender) between them and the basket, and I'm sick of seeing KP in the high post with Powell (and his defender) between KP and the basket. It's just asking for ugly, ineffective basketball, imo.
(01-02-2022, 09:18 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Hmmm, I’ve seen it the other way around. We don’t have a guy on roster that guards bigs well first of all. Kleber plays best against less physical big wings, but he has been seen guarding smaller wings well too.
I must have been watching a different game. Kleber is the best on the roster guarding other bigs IMO. He struggles against wings like Kawhi, Tatum, etc...
(01-02-2022, 09:21 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Ok, but right now they're playing Powell instead, not a wing. I'd think Kleber would be a step up from there against smaller defenders, no? And, if the other team is really beating you by going small, there's always sliding DFS to the 4. That would probably be the best case scenario for the Mavs' roster, imo.
I'm not arguing what/who KP is or what he's comfortable with. I tend to agree with you about that. I'm just talking about what the team is trying to do. I'm sick of seeing Luka/Powell pick and roll with KP (and his defender) between them and the basket, and I'm sick of seeing KP in the high post with Powell (and his defender) between KP and the basket. It's just asking for ugly, ineffective basketball, imo.
Fair enough. I think we'd both agree the roster needs adjusting.
Ignoring any bigger move the Mavs need to take advantage of the current situation. We are getting to the point where some of the hardship signings are getting two-way contracts or even spots on on the 15 man roster. We talked about Pinson and Chriss. But the Mavs should think about more than just their "own" guys. Especially when it comes to players that are still two-way eligible.
Some names...
Cassius Stanley/22: 11pts/3reb (48/44/100 splits) in 27 minutes. Three games for the Pistons.
Kyle Guy/24: 17/4/4 in his first game for the Heat. 6/8FG. 4/6 from 3.
Admiral Schofield/24: 6/3/1 in 17 minutes/7 games for the Magic. 63% FG, 38.5% from 3.
Hassani Gravett/25: 7/3/3 in 23 minutes/ 6 games for the Magic. 43.8% on 3.8 3PA.
(01-02-2022, 03:35 PM)luka_skywalker_77 Wrote: [ -> ]
I for the life of me, don't understand this off-handedness of the post up--analytics be damned of course. It's not unfortunate; it's highly effective and uses both of your main assets to their fullest when utilized properly. I'm not a fan of the smartest person in the room/five out style of offense when that's proven to not work when it actually matters. Sorry if that sounds irritating, but the nerds have the run of the office and it's made for some truly bad basketball.
Not exactly sure how the nerds are to blame for the Mavs problems to run an efficient offense. RC "Nerd ball" was more efficient and in my opinion better to watch.
Caution...nerd talk incoming
Luka and KP both rank top 10 in the league in post up FGA per game according to synergy. Both combine for more post up attempts than AD and LeBron in LA.
Problem is that they aren´t as efficient as other players with similar post up volume. 0.92 PPP for both. That´s just not good enough when the league average (including all play types) is 1.08 PPP.
Even the best bigs struggle to reach those numbers (Embiid 1.06, Jokic 1.04 PPP). That´s why both are doing a lot more than just post ups.
That obviously does not mean that the Mavs should never post up. In certain matchups it can be a good option but it shouldn´t be the focal point. Right now the volume is a little bit to high for my taste (as a team 4th behind Lakers, 76ers, Nuggets). Especially because it isn´t leading to increased inside scoring numbers. The Mavs are last in the league in PITP.
Talking about KP. I think he looks really good when he gets a deep position and just needs to make a quick move to finish over a defender. That should be his focal point if he wants to get more inside touches (obviously next to another shooter, Kleber or DFS, not Powell). That´s what I would classify as a good post up attempt.
The ellbow/high post attempts shouldn´t be more than a bail out as long as he cannot improve his percentages. KP trying to force switches and catching the ball 15-20ft away from the basket rarely leads to positive results. Gets even worse when he tries to backdown the defender.
(01-02-2022, 04:44 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Talking about KP. I think he looks really good when he gets a deep position and just needs to make quick move to finish over a defender. That should be his focal point if he wants to get more inside touches (obviously next to another shooter, Kleber or DFS, not Powell). That´s what I would classify as a good post up attempt.
The ellbow/high post attempts shouldn´t be more than a bail out as long as he cannot improve his percentages. KP trying to force switches and catching the ball 15-20ft away from the basket rarely leads to positive results. Gets even worse when he tries to backdown the defender.
THIS. THIS. THIS.
I really like the deep post up by KP....other post ups....UGH.
(01-02-2022, 09:21 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Ok, but right now they're playing Powell instead, not a wing. I'd think Kleber would be a step up from there against smaller defenders, no? And, if the other team is really beating you by going small, there's always sliding DFS to the 4. That would probably be the best case scenario for the Mavs' roster, imo.
I'm not arguing what/who KP is or what he's comfortable with. I tend to agree with you about that. I'm just talking about what the team is trying to do. I'm sick of seeing Luka/Powell pick and roll with KP (and his defender) between them and the basket, and I'm sick of seeing KP in the high post with Powell (and his defender) between KP and the basket. It's just asking for ugly, ineffective basketball, imo.
Funny thing…here lately (as in the month of December), Powell lineups have been doing pretty good. He’s got a +/- of 6 in about 20 minutes per game for the month. The net rating for KP/Powell lineups in December is 15.9 (lest someone think the good numbers are only occurring when Powell is in w/o KP). 13 of the top 14 most used three-man lineups with Powell are positive in December. It isn’t that his individual numbers are all that different for the month…they aren’t. The time spent on the court is, however, more positive than in the two months prior.
Something to keep an eye on as we make sure fire pronouncements about what is/isn’t working. BTW, the five man lineup used to start the season (Powell/KP/DFS/THJ and Luka) hasn’t been used a single minute in the month of December. One related comment on the +/- discussion yesterday. We don’t really have enough information yet to make any judgements on anything. Luka and KP have played 330 total minutes together this season with a -5.3 net rating. Eliminate October and they move to -0.3. Eliminate October and half of November and they’ve played 186 minutes together at a 5.5 net rating since November 15th. What is real, the first 144 minutes together or the 186 more recent minutes?
Maybe Kidd will figure some stuff out if we just give him a few games in a row of a fully healthy team.
(01-02-2022, 05:13 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Funny thing…here lately (as in the month of December), Powell lineups have been doing pretty good. He’s got a +/- of 6 in about 20 minutes per game for the month. The net rating for KP/Powell lineups in December is 15.9 (lest someone think the good numbers are only occurring when Powell is in w/o KP). 13 of the top 14 most used three-man lineups with Powell are positive in December. It isn’t that his individual numbers are all that different for the month…they aren’t. The time spent on the court is, however, more positive than in the two months prior.
Something to keep an eye on as we make sure fire pronouncements about what is/isn’t working. BTW, the five man lineup used to start the season (Powell/KP/DFS/THJ and Luka) hasn’t been used a single minute in the month of December. One related comment on the +/- discussion yesterday. We don’t really have enough information yet to make any judgements on anything. Luka and KP have played 330 total minutes together this season with a -5.3 net rating. Eliminate October and they move to -0.3. Eliminate October and half of November and they’ve played 186 minutes together at a 5.5 net rating since November 15th. What is real, the first 144 minutes together or the 186 more recent minutes?
Maybe Kidd will figure some stuff out if we just give him a few games in a row of a fully healthy team.
Great stuff @"DanSchwartzgan"!
I think we have enough information to know about some dynamics and what has worked or not. But I 100% agree though that things could change drastically as guys get more used to scheme, etc. I am really looking forward to seeing Luka after this time off. He is the most important cog in all this and especially how he fits with the starters and closers.
(01-02-2022, 03:35 PM)luka_skywalker_77 Wrote: [ -> ]I for the life of me, don't understand this off-handedness of the post up--analytics be damned of course. It's not unfortunate; it's highly effective and uses both of your main assets to their fullest when utilized properly. I'm not a fan of the smartest person in the room/five out style of offense when that's proven to not work when it actually matters. Sorry if that sounds irritating, but the nerds have the run of the office and it's made for some truly bad basketball.
I'm not against the post up, I'm against two things.
1) Porzingis post ups, as he's actually not very great at playing that way.
2) Posting up
anyone without providing them ample space to create from that position.
If that makes me a nerd, I'll go pick out a pocket protector tomorrow. To me, it's just common sense.