(01-28-2022, 01:34 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, makes sense, got it. But (assuming adding a 2-way guy in trade at the deadline is legal and is their plan), if they had filled the 2-way slot when they could, it wouldn't bar them from trading for a more promising 2-way guy later (they would just have to waive the one they signed, no biggie).
Frankly I don't think there is a GOOD excuse. They had an opening, and didn't have any idea how to use it. Sad situation. The Mavs development, G-L, 2-way department has always been done poorly, and still has miles to go to be the useful talent-readying tool it should be.
Not surprised it has been done poorly, look who the owner of the G-League team is!
(01-28-2022, 12:50 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Most of us hated the idea of Tobias for THJ/Powell prior to Hardaway's injury. How about now? The reason I ask is this might get us in the middle of a Kings/Philly deal (anyone recall JB and Maxi vacationing together in Philly this summer?).
Lowe and Marks talked about Philly going hard after Harden this summer. They think the 76ers may need to get to a place of flexibility (access to cap room or movable players like Barnes...the probable motivation for wanting to move on from Tobias). The idea is Philly can trade for Harden or sign him outright this summer after dealing away the movable pieces. Expiring deals (Bagley and Tristan Thompson) and Maxi's NG deal would have value and moving Tobias is a must. And, all of this can't hurt the effort to win this season.
The Kings apparently want no part of Tobias in their pursuit of Simmons. Is Hardaway more palatable?
What I'm getting to is something with the core being Maxi/JB and THJ for Tobias and Davion Mitchell. You are basically getting your creation (and less D) in the Tobias for Maxi swap and less creation (but more D) in the JB for Davion Mitchel Swap (and you get rid of THJ). Sac. gets Simmons, but has to take on THJ instead of Tobias. Philly gets the Tiny Brunson cap hold, Barnes and some salaries that can go away in players like Bagley, Maxi and Thompson (one probably needs to go to a fourth team). Philly, to me, is the other team besides NY that probably doesn't have to worry about Brunson leaving once he gets there.
KP/Tobias/DFS/Luka and Mitchell (basically a Smart starter-kit)?
Nice work on this one! It probably comes down to how much you like Mitchell (I like his potential) and how eager you are to take on the Harris contract. It does seem like SAC is getting Simmons for a real bargain unless I am not understanding it correctly. I wonder if Philly would have better offers and I wonder if SAC is willing to give up such a recent draft pick (well, its SAC...who knows!).
For the Mavs, we would still have 3 nice defenders in Green, DFS, and Mitchell and probably improve our offense with Harris over THJ. I know Mitchell can defend....I know his shot his iffy......is he a shot creator? Might be too early to tell on some of this, but I have not watched SAC a lot this year. We replace much of the scoring and defense here and avoid the possible flight of Brunson issue. Tobias is supposedly a good locker room guy as well.
(01-28-2022, 02:03 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Not surprised it has been done poorly, look who the owner of the G-League team is!
Just a bad situation. Are there any news about Nelson´s role with the Legends outside of him being the head of the ownership group? Are Cuban and Donnie even on speaking terms?
(01-28-2022, 02:20 PM)Davemo Wrote: [ -> ]Nice work on this one! It probably comes down to how much you like Mitchell (I like his potential) and how eager you are to take on the Harris contract. It does seem like SAC is getting Simmons for a real bargain unless I am not understanding it correctly. I wonder if Philly would have better offers and I wonder if SAC is willing to give up such a recent draft pick (well, its SAC...who knows!).
For the Mavs, we would still have 3 nice defenders in Green, DFS, and Mitchell and probably improve our offense with Harris over THJ. I know Mitchell can defend....I know his shot his iffy......is he a shot creator? Might be too early to tell on some of this, but I have not watched SAC a lot this year. We replace much of the scoring and defense here and avoid the possible flight of Brunson issue. Tobias is supposedly a good locker room guy as well.
Agree with all of this. I didn't attempt to add picks anywhere. It is complex enough already.
I was just trying to see if there was a framework that made sense for Philly that got Dallas something of value. I agree Sac. is getting off easy with just Barnes, Bagley, Mitchell and sending Thompson somewhere, but they have picks they can add.
(01-28-2022, 12:01 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]So you want to send Brunson + a first for a 20M rental that you are bringing off the bench? That is madness.
How is Randle a rental? He´s under contract until 2025. I also don´t see the problem with Randle coming off the bench, if he still plays 35 MPG and closes games.
If we trade Brunson to the Knicks I either want picks or Randle, cause outside of Barrett there other players don´t interest me much. Reddish and Robinson are MLE talents we can make moves for in the summer. If we lose Brunson we need a talent back and I´d rather add a first to get an All-Star back.
(01-28-2022, 12:50 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]KP/Tobias/DFS/Luka and Mitchell (basically a Smart starter-kit)?
Tobi + Bobi = greater than the sum of parts
(01-28-2022, 03:48 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]How is Randle a rental? He´s under contract until 2025. I also don´t see the problem with Randle coming off the bench, if he still plays 35 MPG and closes games.
If we trade Brunson to the Knicks I either want picks or Randle, cause outside of Barrett there other players don´t interest me much. Reddish and Robinson are MLE talents we can make moves for in the summer. If we lose Brunson we need a talent back and I´d rather add a first to get an All-Star back.
Your right, I missed the extension. So we get the pleasure of paying him 29 mil for the next 4 years. I don't think he is worth that. He had one great outlier season, and now he has come back down to earth. He is a poor fit with Luka, and I would probably pass on him in free agency at that price. I certainly would not send our best asset and a first to get him.
I don't disagree with the rest. I want picks if we deal with NY. This FO is likely not looking for young guys anyways. I can live with Brunson/Burke for Kemba and our first. Its probably the most likely scenario if we move him.
(01-28-2022, 12:50 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]What I'm getting to is something with the core being Maxi/JB and THJ for Tobias and Davion Mitchell. You are basically getting your creation (and less D) in the Tobias for Maxi swap and less creation (but more D) in the JB for Davion Mitchel Swap (and you get rid of THJ). Sac. gets Simmons, but has to take on THJ instead of Tobias. Philly gets the Tiny Brunson cap hold, Barnes and some salaries that can go away in players like Bagley, Maxi and Thompson (one probably needs to go to a fourth team). Philly, to me, is the other team besides NY that probably doesn't have to worry about Brunson leaving once he gets there.
KP/Tobias/DFS/Luka and Mitchell (basically a Smart starter-kit)?
I LOVE that deal. Mostly because I love Davion Mitchell. Harris is in the same mold of THJ as they are going to shoot their shots and his contract is unpalatable but honestly it's not too bad.
Harris next two years are:
37,633,050
39,270,150
We'd basically be paying THJ's 4 years over the next two. Also the reuniting of Bobi+Tobi can only be good for locker room chemistry.
I will say I don't know how realistic the deal is given now Woj reporting the Kings are dropping out of the Ben Simmons sweepstakes.
One thing I noticed. Bobi and M.Brown where the only two guys that didn't see the floor in blowout games against Portland, Indiana and GSW.
(01-30-2022, 02:11 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]One thing I noticed. Bobi and M.Brown where the only two guys that didn't see the floor in blowout games against Portland, Indiana and GSW.
Boban hasn't played in a loooooooong time.
Coincidentally (or maybe not), these last 20 games or so have been the most fun to watch for me in a couple of years.
(01-30-2022, 02:14 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Boban hasn't played in a loooooooong time.
Consequently (or maybe not), these last 20 games or so have been the most fun to watch for me in a couple of years.
It really makes me wonder why Mavs felt the need to sign all those mediocre centers in the summer.
(01-30-2022, 02:16 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]It really makes me wonder why Mavs felt the need to sign all those mediocre centers in the summer.
You saw that KP didn't finish the game Saturday???
(01-30-2022, 03:44 PM)SkenfromLMF Wrote: [ -> ]You saw that KP didn't finish the game Saturday???
So? Bobi and M.Brown still didn't play
If we do a trade wth Boston it better looks like this:
Boston: Beal/Neto
Washington: Porzingis/Brunson
Dallas: Brown/Schroeder/Gafford
Sorry if I missed this somewhere, but the DB.com guys posted a 3-team idea (not rumor) as follows:
Dallas gets McCollom, Robinson and their 23 pick back
Portland gets KP
NY gets Brunson
If you put this into the trade machine, Dallas loses 4 wins because KP and Brunson show really well in the LEBRON metric used to determine wins gained and lost. Maybe you do the KP/McCollom part of this anyway based on KP’s injury history. But, CJ is four years older and has missed significant time each of the last two years. CJ is kind of who you hope Brunson grows into. I’d contend Brunson is likely the better version of that guy during the remaining life of McCollom’s contract.
Not sure what good trading UFA Brunson for UFA Robinson if flight risk is your concern. Is Robinson as good as KP? Yeah, on the nights KP can’t play. Otherwise? Probably not.
I get accused of wanting to give away Brunson for nothing, but I don’t like this deal for Dallas. Now, if you tell me I can also deal THJ/22/24 for John Collins, then we can talk some more.
(01-30-2022, 05:06 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Dallas gets McCollom, Robinson and their 23 pick back
Portland gets KP
NY gets Brunson
Really that's just two separate deals. KP for McCollum, and Brunson for Robinson/23. Personally I think both are talent downgrades for Dallas and the resulting team is worse off than what they already have. Like you, I could be talked into it if there’s a bigger deal lined up. But without that I just don’t see it.
(01-30-2022, 05:18 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]Really that's just two separate deals. KP for McCollum, and Brunson for Robinson/23. Personally I think both are talent downgrades for Dallas and the resulting team is worse off than what they already have. Like you, I could be talked into it if there’s a bigger deal lined up. But without that I just don’t see it.
Question...if it were Kyrie instead of C.J. for KP, would you do that?