(03-06-2022, 03:38 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: [ -> ]How do you feel about Mo Bamba via a sign and trade?
As things currently stand we can't take a player via S&T. Using the TP MLE costs over $20 million in tax (on top of the $6mm in salary). The other thing to keep in mind is we don't have $5mm trade spreads over the apron. Just 125% plus $100k.
Mvossman is right. The path to any kind of upgrade is trading salary for salary. It could be THJ (Sacramento has to add a body and we then send out a minor salary into their TPE if we are talking about Holmes). We can also match with Reggie or Maxi (as was suggested by IGT).
Unless we are dumping Frank or stashing our pick in Europe, we have to do a two-for-one deal at some point as we have 15 guaranteed salaries if we retain the pick plus Frank's NG contract.
(03-06-2022, 03:19 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]We will not have cap space even if we don't sign Brunson. In fact I think we will still be in the tax if we don't sign him. Best case we will have 6 mil for tax MLE and may not even have that. Our options to acquire a starting caliber center (which I think we need) is limited to trades.
Don't advocate sending a first for Holmes. Hoping THJ would be enough.
Sac just getting off of Buddy makes me think they might have some PTSD on that type of player, which is why I’ve steered away from THJ for RH trade talk. That and THJ being s shooter that can’t shoot this year makes me believe we’ll have a hard time moving off his deal next season. On top of that, getting RH here while keeping MK with the role he has taken on since the trade, gives us 3 bigs that should see time, but only maybe about 60 mins (at most, but probably less) to split between them.
I guess you can then say package MK with someone/thing to get the big wing we need. I just think making moves that create the need for another move is cumbersome.
Also not sure why we can look at trading for Holmes and paying distressed asset value for him while thinking we can get an even trade for THJ. Not applying that same logic confounds me.
(03-06-2022, 04:24 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Also not sure why we can look at trading for Holmes and paying distressed asset value for him while thinking we can get an even trade for THJ. Not applying that same logic confounds me.
I'm not sure what this means? Holmes is a distressed asset, and THJ is a distressed asset. They potentially have roughly similar value (a little below neutral) so it might make sense. I always got the impression they wanted off Hield because of locker room/culture fit, and I think THJ has a good rep as far as that is concerned. Don't know if they would be interested, but not sure where the inconsistent logic is in thinking it would be possible?
(03-06-2022, 04:16 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Sac just getting off of Buddy makes me think they might have some PTSD on that type of player, which is why I’ve steered away from THJ for RH trade talk. That and THJ being s shooter that can’t shoot this year makes me believe we’ll have a hard time moving off his deal next season. On top of that, getting RH here while keeping MK with the role he has taken on since the trade, gives us 3 bigs that should see time, but only maybe about 60 mins (at most, but probably less) to split between them.
I guess you can then say package MK with someone/thing to get the big wing we need. I just think making moves that create the need for another move is cumbersome.
Maxi has taken on that role out of necessity due to how thin we now are at center. I feel like the fact that he can provide quality backup minutes at both the 4 and the 5 provides a lot of value even when adding Holmes. I would definitely prefer to have him over THJ, especially given their contracts, and don't feel like that trade would require us to make another move. A Holmes/Powell center rotation and DFS/Maxi 4 rotation make a ton of sense. I think if the THJ for Holmes was the only move we make, it would be a successfully offseason.
(03-06-2022, 06:32 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]Maxi has taken on that role out of necessity due to how thin we now are at center. I feel like the fact that he can provide quality backup minutes at both the 4 and the 5 provides a lot of value even when adding Holmes. I would definitely prefer to have him over THJ, especially given their contracts, and don't feel like that trade would require us to make another move. A Holmes/Powell center rotation and DFS/Maxi 4 rotation make a ton of sense. I think if the THJ for Holmes was the only move we make, it would be a successfully offseason.
Holmes often intrigues me - looks available - but my desire evaporates when I see him perform. Not sure he's worth getting, or an upgrade, when I see him play. (May be why he'd likely be easy to get.)
Holmes for THJ
Re-sign Brunson
Keep pick 21
This would be a great offseason
IF Holmes is truly a target then I no longer see THJ as a viable offer. He looks to be completely invested in this team even though the circumstances are not to his favor.
AS I see it, the best way to add Homes would be to find a player that Sacramento would be willing to take in the $5-10 million range who would fit into the Trade Exception before 7/31.
Dallas could trade out Brown get a player making a bit more salary and then trade either Burke or Boban with that player to get Holmes from Sacto. Ideally the salary incoming to the TE would be $8.8 million so that there would be no conflict with aggregate salary fro acquiring Holmes.
IF we could move Burke and Brown to go with a piece Sacto would like for Holmes would equate to using the TMLE.
Achiuwa seems like a better fit to me. How much more than this year’s pick would he cost?
(03-06-2022, 10:39 PM)SkenfromLMF Wrote: [ -> ]IF Holmes is truly a target then I no longer see THJ as a viable offer. He looks to be completely invested in this team even though the circumstances are not to his favor.
Wouldn’t Bullock for Holmes be the logical alternative if THJ is staying?
(03-06-2022, 11:10 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Wouldn’t Bullock for Holmes be the logical alternative if THJ is staying?
Not from a defensive standpoint. Bullock allows DFS to switch at times and is helping anchor the defense as the point of attack defender when DFS is not.
Unless you are convinced that Dinwiddie makes up for the defensive lacking matched with THJ. I hate to admit that the Mavs have played better D since THJ went down, but the truth can't be denied. The way Kidd has the guards deployed THJ is not playing as many minutes going forward. I simply think THJ has too much negative value to even justify Holmes in trade. Hope I am wrong.
This is my idea for the off-season:
1. Sign JB for a reasonable deal,
2. Trade Bertans, JGreen, and the rights for the Mavs' FRP for Jerami Grant,
3. Trade THJ for Holmes and Holiday.
Mavs would have a starting line up:
PG Luka
SG JB
SF Grant
PF DFS
C Holmes
Bench:
PG Spencer
SG Holiday
SF RB
PF Maxi
C DP
Luka, JB, Spencer will play practically all Guard minutes which will give Mavs two playmakers at all times.
Grant, DFS, RB will play practically all Foward minutes which will give Mavs two good perimeter defenders at all times.
Holmes, Powell, Maxi will play all Center minutes as a three-headed center rotation which gives the Mavs a mobile center at all times and good depth at the position.
Given that Holmes is able to be acquired with the TE in a June trade, I don't see that "salary match" is much of an issue. That sort of deal allows the Mavs a wide variety of options they could send the Kings to accommodate the rules, if both teams want to make a deal.
But him being worth having, that is an issue to me.
I do think THJ for Holmes makes some sense, if you don't want THJ and can't unload him any other way. But that still doesn't promise Holmes will add anything or be an upgrade at all, so ...
(03-07-2022, 12:05 AM)RedFlag41 Wrote: [ -> ]This is my idea for the off-season:
1. Sign JB for a reasonable deal,
2. Trade Bertans, JGreen, and the rights for the Mavs' FRP for Jerami Grant,
3. Trade THJ for Holmes and Holiday.
Mavs would have a starting line up:
PG Luka
SG JB
SF Grant
PF DFS
C Holmes
Bench:
PG Spencer
SG Holiday
SF RB
PF Maxi
C DP
Luka, JB, Spencer will play practically all Guard minutes which will give Mavs two playmakers at all times.
Grant, DFS, RB will play practically all Foward minutes which will give Mavs two good perimeter defenders at all times.
Holmes, Powell, Maxi will play all Center minutes as a three-headed center rotation which gives the Mavs a mobile center at all times and good depth at the position.
Detroit makes sense as a trade partner. I wouldn’t like giving up Green, but him plus the FRP seems like a fair deal for the expiring Grant. Hardaway and Burke as hometown Michigan guys going to Detroit makes sense as vets leading a young team. This is a way we could go if the mavs feel like Grant would fit
Also, Detroit picks at the top of the draft. Draft is top heavy with big men. They may view Grant as expendable
(03-07-2022, 01:55 AM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]Given that Holmes is able to be acquired with the TE in a June trade, I don't see that "salary match" is much of an issue. That sort of deal allows the Mavs a wide variety of options they could send the Kings to accommodate the rules, if both teams want to make a deal.
But him being worth having, that is an issue to me.
I do think THJ for Holmes makes some sense, if you don't want THJ and can't unload him any other way. But that still doesn't promise Holmes will add anything or be an upgrade at all, so ...
Serious question...who do you like for the starting C role. In general, the shot blockers out there aren't mobile. The mobile centers aren't shot blockers. Do we run it back with Powell/Maxi? If not, who is a realistic target that fits our scheme?
I don't disagree that current Holmes doesn't look great. But, Historic Holmes is pretty good at what we ask our C to do. Here are the O-Lebron, D-Lebron and Lebron for the last three seasons for Holmes:
19-20 0.56 2.07 2.63
20-21 0.91 0.90 1.80
21-22 -1.34 0.68 -0.66
So, is this a 28 year old who is falling apart? Did he play for a contract and check out? Both are certainly possible. Or, is he on a bad Sacramento team and needs a change of scenery. I see another Dinwiddie situation where he's done good things in the past (per 36, Holmes is a 16/10 guy with a TS% of .683 the last three seasons), but is having a bad season on a bad team. I think I read somewhere last season that he was 8th in the league in block percentage (this season he's a full point below his career average). For comparison, Powell on a per 36 basis is 13/8 with similar TS% but has about half the block percentage. Both Powell and Holmes have been nicely positive for multiple seasons for their teams in On-Off until this season where both are negative.
I think one of the factors for Powell looking worse on-off is that (eye test says) he is playing a LOT of minutes.
He is having to cover a lot of the PT that Porzingas and now Maxi are missing and is also having to play through foul trouble which is problematic for "hustle" types.
I feel like adding Holmes would improve Powell in that Powell would no longer have to play through fatigue and fouls nearly to the point that he is now and it should also help Maxi return to being a utility big rather than having to solely play his minutes at the 5 as he has done since the trade. I like Maxi as the 3rd C/Big 3 & D role and he needs some protection in the regular season to ensure that he is available for those minutes in the playoffs.
BTW I hate having to rely solely on Bertans for any of those roles... When he is hot he can put a team over the top, but when he is not - he can shoot us out of a game and his D is porous at best
F Gump
Given that Holmes is able to be acquired with the TE in a June trade, I don't see that "salary match" is much of an issue. That sort of deal allows the Mavs a wide variety of options they could send the Kings to accommodate the rules, if both teams want to make a deal.
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I was attempting to not include more salary for this year... adding Holmes for than 75% of his salary before July 1 is something I perceive as close to a non-starter.
So the question would be if Dallas were to do a draft night deal for Holmes using the TE does that salary count toward the Mavs TAX for the season having ended?
(03-07-2022, 09:16 AM)SkenfromLMF Wrote: [ -> ]o the question would be if Dallas were to do a draft night deal for Holmes using the TE does that salary count toward the Mavs TAX for the season having ended?
I am not sure about the answer to your question, but even if 100 % of Holmes salary is counted into the salary cap, Mavs are not over the luxury tax line for this season.
You raise a good point about lux tax though. And it would certainly take an asset to get Holmes without sending a decent player to Sacramento.
Drawing some attention to the draft thread. The Mavs have a first round pick. That can be used as more than just a trade asset. This years draft class is bigmen heavy. There will be rotation level talent available in the late first round. Question is if the Mavs can nail the pick.
Speaking about distressed assets, I have revisited the Tobias Harris idea. He is way overpaid as we all know. But, he only has two seasons left - one season to try it out before he becomes a big expiring. Good part of course is also that he shouldn't cost assets, as Philly has their stars - they have to surround them with good role players. And Mavs have plenty of those.
So I would trade THJ, Maxi and Bullock for Holmes and Harris (can be two separate trades). Sacramento gets either Bullock or Maxi. Trade would be on draft night to match the salaries
Sacramento changes Holmes they don't need with a good wing (either Maxi or Bullock) that fits their needs. One could claim Holmes is worth more, but I don't think it is a FRP more. A SRP or two should not be an obstacle.
Philly gets two shooters to surround their two stars.
Mavs get a bit more top heavy while keeping all their assets. Tobias expiring deal could be very useful in 2023 when Mavs get all their assets available. They also keep 2022 pick. The price is 10 mil of additional salary.
Luka, SD
Brunson, Green
DFS, Brown
Harris, Bertans
Holmes, Powell
(03-07-2022, 10:04 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Drawing some attention to the draft thread. The Mavs have a first round pick. That can be used as more than just a trade asset. This years draft class is bigmen heavy. There will be rotation level talent available in the late first round. Question is if the Mavs can nail the pick.
They would have to really nail that pick. Big men generally take longer to develop than other positions, they will be picking late in the draft, and they really need a starting quality big. They also have a limited history going the draft route in general and they are clearly in win now mode as well.
Given that they need a starter, have a ton of filler salaries that are expendable and a pick to trade, I see that being the most logical route, especially given this FO history.