(06-16-2022, 07:55 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]He is ELITE as a defender (probably top 3 in the league?). He is SO MUCH better a defender than DFS, in a completely different class. It is the reason he is playable without a three point shot.
He would without question be the best defensive player on the team. "Lock-down" defender.
(06-16-2022, 07:57 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Definitely willing to give a 1st for Matisse, he has an elite NBA skill (defense). I might be willing to give two 1sts, depending on the other pieces in the trade.
2 firsts for Matisse, holy crap thank God you're not our GM. 2 firsts for a 3ppg player, wow.
(06-16-2022, 08:03 AM)Branduil Wrote: [ -> ]2 firsts for Matisse, holy crap thank God you're not our GM. 2 firsts for a 3ppg player, wow.
Thanks for the kind words.
I said, "Depending on the other pieces".....so assuming I am dumping a trash contract on PHI and getting another usable piece in return. I consider Matisse himself to be worth a 1st.....then if I am getting the better end of the rest of the deal I "might" consider another 1st. It's called reading comprehension.
(06-16-2022, 08:03 AM)Branduil Wrote: [ -> ]2 firsts for Matisse, holy crap thank God you're not our GM. 2 firsts for a 3ppg player, wow.
Ya, I think if we’re giving up 2 firsts in a deal, I’d rather bring back Grant. Not sure I want either for 2 firsts though.
(06-16-2022, 08:03 AM)Winter Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think there's any way I'd do that
You wouldn't do Matisse for a 1st? Because that's what I think he is worth, one on one.
(06-16-2022, 08:07 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks for the kind words.
I said, "Depending on the other pieces".....so assuming I am dumping a trash contract on PHI and getting another usable piece in return. I consider Matisse himself to be worth a 1st.....then if I am getting the better end of the rest of the deal I "might" consider another 1st. It's called reading comprehension.
Sorry I blacked out at the thought of even giving up a single first for a guy who guarantees Luka gets doubled in every game
The Wood Trade does now change the dynamic of our mid-level exception.
It's more "useable" with roster openings, so I'm curious how it will be used and on whom (assuming it is used)
(06-16-2022, 08:08 AM)Branduil Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry I blacked out at the thought of even giving up a single first for a guy who guarantees Luka gets doubled in every game
He absolutely creates a question of how to use him offensively. He would need to be the only non-shooter on the floor (and the Mavs can do that). But he really would take the Mavs D to a whole new level.
(06-16-2022, 08:08 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]You wouldn't do Matisse for a 1st? Because that's what I think he is worth, one on one.
In response to your original statement, I meant I would not do that for 2 first-rounders.
I think he's easily worth a non-lottery first round pick. I just don't know how you'd package that from the Mavs angle (maybe Josh Green and a pick)?
(06-16-2022, 08:11 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]He absolutely creates a question of how to use him offensively. He would need to be the only non-shooter on the floor (and the Mavs can do that). But he really would take the Mavs D to a whole new level.
I personally find it hard to imagine any single player making us so good on defense that it makes up for throwing a wrench in our offense. We saw this season how 5-out takes this team to an entirely different level. And we also saw how quickly things fell apart when we tried to play Green or Ntilikina against a championship-level team.
The only no-offense players I would consider giving up 2 firsts for would have to be literal reincarnations of Ben Wallace or Dennis Rodman.
(06-16-2022, 07:55 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]He is ELITE as a defender (probably top 3 in the league?). He is SO MUCH better a defender than DFS, in a completely different class. It is the reason he is playable without a three point shot.
I was going to say the same. Thybulle is a better all around defender than DFS, especially in steals and blocked shots. Thybuille made all defense 2nd team. DFS didn't even get a honorable mention. DFS is good, but he's a bit overrated especially on this board.
On another note. With Boban gone I put my confidence meter at 100% that the Mavs add Dragic.
A guard rotation of Luka/Brunson/Dinwiddie/Dragic is very good.
(06-16-2022, 08:13 AM)Branduil Wrote: [ -> ]I personally find it hard to imagine any single player making us so good on defense that it makes up for throwing a wrench in our offense
He's not a terrible offensive player. He's solid in transition, and can drive to the basket. His 3-point shot needs work, but it's a manageable percentage.
Unlike Green, his head is in the game. The guy is everywhere.
Also agree with Smitty that Dragic is completely do-able now. It wouldn't surprise me if the Nico told Luca, "I know we're losing Boban, but it looks more likely we gain Dragic." That sounds like a nice trade of friends.
(06-16-2022, 08:21 AM)Smitty Wrote: [ -> ]On another note. With Boban gone I put my confidence meter at 100% that the Mavs add Dragic.
A guard rotation of Luka/Brunson/Dinwiddie/Dragic is very good.
It will be interesting to see if they think another guard is needed. They like to play with two ball handlers on the floor and would be in a difficult spot if one of those ball handlers get hurt. Can they survive with Hardaway taking some responsibility? Green and Frankie are not really suited for that, but maybe they will be asked to grow their game.
There is not really room for Dragic, but we will see. He considered Milwaukee and Golden State at the trade deadline too. Would either of those have more minutes available for him? Would Miami want him back? Philly? I think there will be opportunities with cleaner roles and playing time, but we will see.
(06-16-2022, 08:27 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]There is not really room for Dragic
Why? We just dumped four bench players. No?
And one of them was Burke.... so he sounds like a fit to me.
(06-16-2022, 08:29 AM)Winter Wrote: [ -> ]Why? We just dumped four bench players. No?
And one of them was Burke.... so he sounds like a fit to me.
Yes, there is roster room. Is there minutes available for him? Does another team offer him better $ and more guaranteed playing time? It was tough to find minutes behind Luka, Jalen and Din at the end of the year. Now you probably need to factor in Hardaway being back too. Just not a lot of minutes.
Here is hollinger writeup from Monday. Has him as a minimum guy:
The Dragon had a rough regular-season ride in Brooklyn but played pretty well in the Nets’ four playoff games, likely rehabbing some of his value in the process. He’s 36 years old and has clearly lost a step but might be able to contribute enough to still be a useful backup.
Would anyone do Matisse and Tobias for THJ, DB, DP and 2 firsts? That would wipe us clear of all the really bad contracts we currently have. If we add Hartenstein for the TPMLE and Dragic on a vet min that gives us:
Guards: Luka, JB, SD, Dragon
Wings: FN, JG, DFS, RB, Harris, Thybulle, Pinson
Bigs: Wood, Maxi, Hartenstein
Starters: Luka/JB/DFS/Harris/Wood
That leaves us with room for Boban when he gets traded and waived (the wink, wink deal). Mind you, I still think it’s dumb to have 1 cheerleader on the roster, let alone 2, but the 13 on the team without them looks pretty dang solid.
Probably more interesting is his Pf writeups
Galinari
Gallinari is signed for $21.45 million with Atlanta this coming season but only $4.5 million of that is guaranteed, and the Hawks are projected to be a tax team if they don’t release him. While it’s possible his deal could be used in a trade, the more likely scenario is that he is waived and becomes a free agent, where his ability to bomb from deep and post up against switches will make him a coveted bench piece for the midlevel exception.
TJ warren
Warren has only played four games in the last two years due to a stress fracture in his left foot and a recovery that moved at a snail’s pace, so this is basically a number pulled out of the sky. He was worth far more than this pre-injury and has legit value if he’s back at full strength, but it’s difficult to value the healthy question marks. Teams likely will be doing their due diligence on his recovery and discounting accordingly.
Jalen smith
This seems likely headed to something more than a minimum deal. Smith averaged 13.4 points per game and shot 63.1 percent on 2s in 22 games with the Pacers after his midseason trade from Phoenix. While the Pacers are capped at paying him $4.67 million for the coming season because the Suns declined his third-year option, I don’t see his market going beyond that price because of Smith’s defensive shortcomings. But he’s 22 and can score.
Ingles listed under sf. hollingers system has him rated very high not factoring his injury
Ingles will end up signing for much, much less than this, as this BORD$ value doesn’t account for his season-ending knee injury last year. He didn’t play a game for the Blazers but was sent there by Utah after tearing his ACL in late January. Ingles also turns 35 in October.
So can’t we use both pretty easily now, the tax payer MLE AND the traded player exception?
Would be expensive but that way we can add two more guys who make quite a lot more than the minimum. Heck you might even be able to absorb unwanted salary in a trade for a pick.
(06-16-2022, 08:36 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Would anyone do Matisse and Tobias for THJ, DB, DP and 2 firsts? That would wipe us clear of all the really bad contracts we currently have. If we add Hartenstein for the TPMLE and Dragic on a vet min that gives us:
Guards: Luka, JB, SD, Dragon
Wings: FN, JG, DFS, RB, Harris, Thybulle, Pinson
Bigs: Wood, Maxi, Hartenstein
Starters: Luka/JB/DFS/Harris/Wood
That leaves us with room for Boban when he gets traded and waived (the wink, wink deal). Mind you, I still think it’s dumb to have 1 cheerleader on the roster, let alone 2, but the 13 on the team without them looks pretty dang solid.
What's the purpose of getting rid of our bad contracts if we won't have any picks to trade? It's not like that gets us to having cap room.
I would not do any trades involving future picks unless they bring us a two-way wing who can be the final piece (and no I don't consider Tobi that guy).