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Per Stein's substack just now, it appears obvious that Brunson is leaning toward NY. Strong momentum in that direction.
(06-24-2022, 02:03 PM)Okstate819 Wrote: [ -> ]Per Stein's substack just now, it appears obvious that Brunson is leaning toward NY. Strong momentum in that direction.

I assume you heard it? What was specifically said that makes you feel this way?
(06-24-2022, 02:04 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I assume you heard it? What was specifically said that makes you feel this way?



The New York Knicks are gaining major momentum in their bid to sign Jalen Brunson away from the Dallas Mavericks in free agency, league sources say.
Sources say that New York's ability during Thursday night's NBA Draft to offload Kemba Walker's $9.2 million salary for next season, coupled with a growing belief that it can shed further salary to expand its offer when the marketplace officially opens next Thursday, has established the Knicks as a very credible threat to bring Brunson to Gotham.
One source close to the process described that threat as “very, very, very real.”
The Knicks are increasingly expected to assemble a four-year offer to Brunson valued in the $100 million range, sources said, after the former second-round pick (No. 33 overall in 2018) played out the final season of his first NBA contract at $1.8 million in 2021-22. When the season ended, sources said, Dallas believed that a four-year offer ranging from $85-to-$88 million — similar to Fred VanVleet’s deal in Toronto — would likely secure Brunson’s signature.
Only the Mavericks, possessing Brunson’s Bird Rights as the incumbent team, have the ability to offer a five-year deal that could zoom well past $100 million. But further boosting New York's chances is a growing belief among some close to the situation that Brunson wants this move to Madison Square Garden despite his considerable rise in prominence as a Maverick and Dallas’ ability to outbid the Knicks, enticed by the opportunity to become New York's unquestioned lead guard on top of strong family ties.
Knicks president of basketball operations Leon Rose is not only Brunson's former agent but essentially regarded as a Brunson family member after breaking into the player representation business with Brunson's father, Rick, as his first client. The Knicks also recently struck a deal to hire Rick Brunson as a new assistant for coach Tom Thibodeau's staff. Father and son are extremely close, while Leon's son, CAA's Sam Rose, now operates as Brunson's day-to-day agent.

(06-24-2022, 02:07 PM)Okstate819 Wrote: [ -> ]The New York Knicks are gaining major momentum in their bid to sign Jalen Brunson away from the Dallas Mavericks in free agency, league sources say.
Sources say that New York's ability during Thursday night's NBA Draft to offload Kemba Walker's $9.2 million salary for next season, coupled with a growing belief that it can shed further salary to expand its offer when the marketplace officially opens next Thursday, has established the Knicks as a very credible threat to bring Brunson to Gotham.
One source close to the process described that threat as “very, very, very real.”
The Knicks are increasingly expected to assemble a four-year offer to Brunson valued in the $100 million range, sources said, after the former second-round pick (No. 33 overall in 2018) played out the final season of his first NBA contract at $1.8 million in 2021-22. When the season ended, sources said, Dallas believed that a four-year offer ranging from $85-to-$88 million — similar to Fred VanVleet’s deal in Toronto — would likely secure Brunson’s signature.
Only the Mavericks, possessing Brunson’s Bird Rights as the incumbent team, have the ability to offer a five-year deal that could zoom well past $100 million. But further boosting New York's chances is a growing belief among some close to the situation that Brunson wants this move to Madison Square Garden despite his considerable rise in prominence as a Maverick and Dallas’ ability to outbid the Knicks, enticed by the opportunity to become New York's unquestioned lead guard on top of strong family ties.
Knicks president of basketball operations Leon Rose is not only Brunson's former agent but essentially regarded as a Brunson family member after breaking into the player representation business with Brunson's father, Rick, as his first client. The Knicks also recently struck a deal to hire Rick Brunson as a new assistant for coach Tom Thibodeau's staff. Father and son are extremely close, while Leon's son, CAA's Sam Rose, now operates as Brunson's day-to-day agent.

Losing Brunson without compensation would be a mammoth blow for Dallas on numerous levels, starting with its obvious lack of financial flexibility this offseason to replace the most accomplished member of Luka Dončić’s supporting cast as a team far over the salary cap. Over the past two seasons, Brunson has repeatedly illustrated that he had become the most reliable Maverick not named Dončić, despite being selected 30 picks after the All-NBA guard in the 2018 draft. Being able to land those two on the same day is second only to the acquisitions of Dirk Nowitzki and Steve Nash on June 24, 1998, in terms of draft-night bonanzas for a franchise that, for the bulk of the 21st century, has endured a string of draft disappointments. It is not yet known how far beyond New York’s projected $100 million total Dallas is willing to go to try to keep Brunson, how much a potential fifth contract year could sway him or if the Knicks would have a willingness to hash out sign-and-trade terms if the 25-year-old guard plainly informs Dallas that he wants to be a Knick. New York is on course to make its anticipated lucrative offer to Brunson without needing Dallas’ help via sign-and-trade.
The Mavericks had at least two chances, before last season and in January, to sign Brunson to a four-year contract extension valued just shy of $56 million, but they balked both times. Coming into the season, Dallas resisted on extensions for both Brunson and Dorian Finney-Smith, wanting to preserve maximum flexibility in case a trade emerged that required their inclusion. Rick Brunson told ESPN in April that he went back to the Mavericks in January to give them another chance to commit to the four-year deal worth $55.6 million, but Dallas again passed.
After the Mavericks sent former All-Star forward Kristaps Porziņģis to Washington on trade-deadline day (Feb. 10), Dallas quickly struck an agreement with Finney-Smith on a similar four-year extension. Yet it was clear by then that Brunson was no longer amenable to that deal, determined to wait for free agency and armed with the knowledge that the Knicks would chase him aggressively in the summer.
(06-24-2022, 02:07 PM)Okstate819 Wrote: [ -> ]But further boosting New York's chances is a growing belief among some close to the situation that Brunson wants this move to Madison Square Garden despite his considerable rise in prominence as a Maverick and Dallas’ ability to outbid the Knicks, enticed by the opportunity to become New York's unquestioned lead guard on top of strong family ties.


Thanks. 

I guess the million dollar question is who the source was for the above.
Most of that is old news. But this part does stand out: 

"But further boosting New York's chances is a growing belief among some close to the situation that Brunson wants this move to Madison Square Garden despite his considerable rise in prominence as a Maverick and Dallas’ ability to outbid the Knicks, enticed by the opportunity to become New York's unquestioned lead guard on top of strong family ties."

It's unclear whose camp this is coming from. But Stein is very good, and it feels like we're being prepped.
One more week of Brunson rumors will take a toll on this board...
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(06-24-2022, 02:11 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks. 

I guess the million dollar question is who the source was for the above.

Right. Get on the phone and find out if a 5th year matters or if he wants to go to NY regardless. Then you can at least explore S&T options however unlikely they may be.
I think Brunson is done here.
(06-24-2022, 02:07 PM)Okstate819 Wrote: [ -> ]The New York Knicks are gaining major momentum in their bid to sign Jalen Brunson away from the Dallas Mavericks in free agency, league sources say.
Sources say that New York's ability during Thursday night's NBA Draft to offload Kemba Walker's $9.2 million salary for next season, coupled with a growing belief that it can shed further salary to expand its offer when the marketplace officially opens next Thursday, has established the Knicks as a very credible threat to bring Brunson to Gotham.
One source close to the process described that threat as “very, very, very real.”
The Knicks are increasingly expected to assemble a four-year offer to Brunson valued in the $100 million range, sources said, after the former second-round pick (No. 33 overall in 2018) played out the final season of his first NBA contract at $1.8 million in 2021-22. When the season ended, sources said, Dallas believed that a four-year offer ranging from $85-to-$88 million — similar to Fred VanVleet’s deal in Toronto — would likely secure Brunson’s signature.
Only the Mavericks, possessing Brunson’s Bird Rights as the incumbent team, have the ability to offer a five-year deal that could zoom well past $100 million. But further boosting New York's chances is a growing belief among some close to the situation that Brunson wants this move to Madison Square Garden despite his considerable rise in prominence as a Maverick and Dallas’ ability to outbid the Knicks, enticed by the opportunity to become New York's unquestioned lead guard on top of strong family ties.
Knicks president of basketball operations Leon Rose is not only Brunson's former agent but essentially regarded as a Brunson family member after breaking into the player representation business with Brunson's father, Rick, as his first client. The Knicks also recently struck a deal to hire Rick Brunson as a new assistant for coach Tom Thibodeau's staff. Father and son are extremely close, while Leon's son, CAA's Sam Rose, now operates as Brunson's day-to-day agent.


Losing Brunson without compensation would be a mammoth blow for Dallas on numerous levels, starting with its obvious lack of financial flexibility this offseason to replace the most accomplished member of Luka Dončić’s supporting cast as a team far over the salary cap. Over the past two seasons, Brunson has repeatedly illustrated that he had become the most reliable Maverick not named Dončić, despite being selected 30 picks after the All-NBA guard in the 2018 draft. Being able to land those two on the same day is second only to the acquisitions of Dirk Nowitzki and Steve Nash on June 24, 1998, in terms of draft-night bonanzas for a franchise that, for the bulk of the 21st century, has endured a string of draft disappointments. It is not yet known how far beyond New York’s projected $100 million total Dallas is willing to go to try to keep Brunson, how much a potential fifth contract year could sway him or if the Knicks would have a willingness to hash out sign-and-trade terms if the 25-year-old guard plainly informs Dallas that he wants to be a Knick. New York is on course to make its anticipated lucrative offer to Brunson without needing Dallas’ help via sign-and-trade.
The Mavericks had at least two chances, before last season and in January, to sign Brunson to a four-year contract extension valued just shy of $56 million, but they balked both times. Coming into the season, Dallas resisted on extensions for both Brunson and Dorian Finney-Smith, wanting to preserve maximum flexibility in case a trade emerged that required their inclusion. Rick Brunson told ESPN in April that he went back to the Mavericks in January to give them another chance to commit to the four-year deal worth $55.6 million, but Dallas again passed.
After the Mavericks sent former All-Star forward Kristaps Porziņģis to Washington on trade-deadline day (Feb. 10), Dallas quickly struck an agreement with Finney-Smith on a similar four-year extension. Yet it was clear by then that Brunson was no longer amenable to that deal, determined to wait for free agency and armed with the knowledge that the Knicks would chase him aggressively in the summer.
The way I read that is he said the chances increased. He didn’t say they are now the favorite, which is impossible to know for sure, JB said “it’s basically a done deal”. The word “basically” is where the rubber meets the road in that JB isn’t FULLY sure, but as it is at the time of the quote, it would take a pretty big effort to sway him. I think JB is signing in Dallas, but I’m not blind to the thought that something could sway him.
(06-24-2022, 02:16 PM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: [ -> ]I think Brunson is done here.

To be clear, I think this because it sounds like he wants a lead role and to be surrounded by his family support system in NY. It doesn’t necessarily sound like a money challenge.
(06-24-2022, 02:16 PM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: [ -> ]I think Brunson is done here.

I do too. Not giving him the 4/55 in Jan when his dad came back to us with one final chance is inexcusable if true. He owes us nothing.
(06-24-2022, 02:18 PM)Okstate819 Wrote: [ -> ]I do too. Not giving him the 4/55 in Jan when his dad came back to us with one final chance is inexcusable if true. He owes us nothing.

If true it is such a blunder by Cuban.  I said we should at least approached him right after we missed out on Lowry.  To think he would have signed that deal in January is just malpractice to not even offer it.  What a stupid franchise.   This will suck so bad.
Yeah sure he is going to pass up the 5th year. You guys are chicken littles.
I think Brunson is willing to gamble on himself. Doesn´t mean that he will leave the Mavs but I am afraid of any scenario where the Mavs aren´t at least matching the annual numbers from NY or Detroit. Even if they offer an extra year.

Don´t give him the option to choose between 4/100 and 5/115.
I guess we better hope Hardy is really good. Losing Brunson would be an unmitigated disaster. Organizational malpractice from start to finish. From his botched rookie contract that gave him the ability to be an unrestricted free agent in the first place to the multiple refusals to give him an extension when we had a chance. Unreal levels of incompetence.
(06-24-2022, 02:21 PM)windjc Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah sure he is going to pass up the 5th year. You guys are chicken littles.

He wouldn´t be the first one. Most players end up regretting it but looking at the potential longterm outlook four years might be the prefered option for him. Sets him up for one more big contract before he turns 30.
So you saying Julius Randle is finally coming home.
So.. Kyrie Irving? Malcolm Brogdon?
(06-24-2022, 02:31 PM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: [ -> ]So.. Kyrie Irving? Malcolm Brogdon?

What is the realistic path to acquiring either? 

What does IND want? Likely future cap relief and a future pick. 

If the Kyrie thing really does implode, are we doing THJ, Kleber, Green, 2025 1st, 2027 1st?