(01-31-2022, 12:47 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Just saying OKC has a penchant for taking on vets with contracts and rehabbing them. They have to get to 101 mil in total team salary to reach the salary floor for this season. The penalities aren't super harsh for not reaching it, as they just pay the difference to their players anyway, but if you're going to spend the money then why not try and get an asset?
OKC's team salary is at 88.2 for this season. They need about 12.9 to reach the salary floor. Interestingly enough, the difference between THJ and Favors is about 11.6. If you add in, say, Moses Brown as a sweetener, that gets OKC right to that minimum total team salary needed.
So I'd be on the lookout for OKC being active this TDL to act as a 3rd teamer to facilitate some trades.
One idea after listening to a Bill Simmons+KOC podcast is this one:
OKC: THJ+Brown (Maybe some other minor stuff like Nesmith)
Mavs: Collins+Favors+Schroeder
ATL: Smart
Celtics: Brunson
Edit: I'd then turnaround and offer Portland KP+Maxi for McCollum and Covington.
OKC usually collects picks for salary dumps and then flips those dumps for more picks after the rehab. I don't see us spending a pick to get off of THJ. Don't rule out an OCK/Westbrook reunion though.
(01-31-2022, 01:05 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]OKC usually collects picks for salary dumps and then flips those dumps for more picks after the rehab. I don't see us spending a pick to get off of THJ. Don't rule out an OCK/Westbrook reunion though.
That's true but I tried to factor in the Mavs also taking Favors off of OKC so the total increase for OKC this year is an extra 11.6 mil. I don't think that's enough to warrant a pick, which is why I included some prospects like Brown (who they had on their team so the interest is there) and Nesmith. Odds are though it'll realistically cost Green.
Further, how many picks before it's too many picks for OKC? They have a staggering
37 picks over the next 5 years alone. 19 firsts, and 18 2nds. They have up to 3 picks this draft this year!. There are only so many roster spots available. I can at least understand the logic of just taking on THJ to just take him on and solve the team salary issue (sans picks) and try and rehab his value later or even use him in the rebuilding process.
I'm also factoring in OKC appreciating his relatively large yearly salary, as if they ever want to cash in on those picks for a star, they need to match the salary somehow.
Using those picks to move up for the next 3 years is what I’d do if I was Presti. Less incoming players, but possibly much higher quality.
(01-31-2022, 04:23 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Using those picks to move up for the next 3 years is what I’d do if I was Presti. Less incoming players, but possibly much higher quality.
That makes a lot of sense, that'd be a smart way to use them
If I were Presti I would trade every single one of those picks to the Mavs for Burke. Too bad I'm not Presti...
(01-31-2022, 04:23 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Using those picks to move up for the next 3 years is what I’d do if I was Presti. Less incoming players, but possibly much higher quality.
He´s tried that the last two years, but I think teams are not that interested to get screwed by him twice on the same deals. Teams are like: yeah here have all our 16-30 picks and see what you can do with them,but we are not giving you our lottery picks on a 3 for 1 swap. It´s cute to have 37 picks, but you only have 15 roster spots.
It´s also kind of funny that everybody was giving Philly shit for The Process, because Hinkie publically exposed the concept. The whole Process lasted four years.
Presti is doing exactly the same thing to an even more ridiculous extent. It´s been almost three years since the PG13/Westbrook trades. NBA Code of Omerta. Just don´t talk about it and everything is cool. The league and the other owners have seemingly accepted that OKC is the recycling bin of the NBA.
(01-31-2022, 05:30 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]He´s tried that the last two years, but I think teams are not that interested to get screwed by him twice on the same deals. Teams are like: yeah here have all our 16-30 picks and see what you can do with them,but we are not giving you our lottery picks on a 3 for 1 swap. It´s cute to have 37 picks, but you only have 15 roster spots.
It´s also kind of funny that everybody was giving Philly shit for The Process, because Hinkie publically exposed the concept. The whole Process lasted four years.
Presti is doing exactly the same thing to an even more ridiculous extent. It´s been almost three years since the PG13/Westbrook trades. NBA Code of Omerta. Just don´t talk about it and everything is cool. The league and the other owners have seemingly accepted that OKC is the recycling bin of the NBA.
They had a pretty good run with CP3 and they never had this "anti-fighting-spirit" Philly had for years.
(01-31-2022, 05:30 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]He´s tried that the last two years, but I think teams are not that interested to get screwed by him twice on the same deals. Teams are like: yeah here have all our 16-30 picks and see what you can do with them,but we are not giving you our lottery picks on a 3 for 1 swap. It´s cute to have 37 picks, but you only have 15 roster spots.
It´s also kind of funny that everybody was giving Philly shit for The Process, because Hinkie publically exposed the concept. The whole Process lasted four years.
Presti is doing exactly the same thing to an even more ridiculous extent. It´s been almost three years since the PG13/Westbrook trades. NBA Code of Omerta. Just don´t talk about it and everything is cool. The league and the other owners have seemingly accepted that OKC is the recycling bin of the NBA.
Yeah, it will be interesting to see what they do. They have too many picks to use. It can happen, but very unlikely that a team with a top pick who they consider a difference maker is not going to move that pick for a boatload of picks. It just very rarely happens. I think they can use some picks if they are at 11 and targeting a player at 6. Those picks could come in handy.
IMO a guy like Bagley is who they use a pick or two for. He is a buy low asset. Sacramento gets a pick for him which is probably desirable for them and OKC sees if a change in scenery is better for Bagley. I think a lot of the bottom feeders sniffing around Bagley. OKC just has picks to spare. I would be interested in him in Dallas. I just don't see we have the trade piece.
OKC beat Portland last night. Ouch. When I went to bed Portland had a comfortable lead. I think Portland and the Kings are teams most likely to make some kind of move at the trade deadline.
(02-01-2022, 07:15 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]I think Portland and the Kings are teams most likely to make some kind of move at the trade deadline.
At the very least, they do something to get under the tax. Portland, Boston and Philly are all within fairly easy striking distance. The Clippers and Jazz are further into the tax but injuries have ruined their championship aspirations. I could certainly see LAC making a money saving move. Utah needs to, but what?
(02-01-2022, 08:36 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Utah needs to, but what?
Trade Ingles and a some picks to OKC for Lu Dort...?
(02-01-2022, 09:55 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Trade Ingles and a some picks to OKC for Lu Dort...?
Can Ingles be traded even though he's out with a injury? Pretty sure OKC doesn't want damaged goods, and besides that, Dort is one of their core guys.
(02-01-2022, 10:35 AM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: [ -> ]Can Ingles be traded even though he's out with a injury? Pretty sure OKC doesn't want damaged goods, and besides that, Dort is one of their core guys.
I think OKC doesn't really care if Ingles can perform or not this season, and all they'd have to do is waive the physical to accept the trade.
Dort is one of their core guys, which is why I'd imagine they'd ask for a boatload of picks from a desperate Jazz team.
(02-01-2022, 10:50 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I think OKC doesn't really care if Ingles can perform or not this season, and all they'd have to do is waive the physical to accept the trade.
Dort is one of their core guys, which is why I'd imagine they'd ask for a boatload of picks from a desperate Jazz team.
Jazz owe '22 to Memphis which will most likely convey this year but it has protections that tie it up through 2024. They then owe OKC a pick two years later that has protections on it through 2026. I think 2028 is the earliest pick they can offer.
(02-01-2022, 01:39 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Jazz owe '22 to Memphis which will most likely convey this year but it has protections that tie it up through 2024. They then owe OKC a pick two years later that has protections on it through 2026. I think 2028 is the earliest pick they can offer.
Didn't even realize how pick strapped UTA was. Yikes.
Given the recent reports on Brunson and DFS, I don't see Dallas making any earth shattering moves at the TDL.
But they could look to add some scoring punch and I like the idea of resetting their salary structure to better handle new deals for our UFAs.
How about THJ for Olynyk and Cory Joseph?
Detroit gets the guy they wanted last year and at a nice discount. The fact that he's hurt shouldn't bother them. This move would be about the future and putting a veteran shooter next to Cunningham.
Not flashy but Dallas upgrades two spots and fortifies for the playoffs.
Joseph is passable on offense but he's the kind of hard-nosed veteran defender who can help this team in the playoffs. I like Ntilikina's upside but I certainly don't trust him in a playoff setting. Joseph would be a significant upgrade in my opinion.
I always like the idea of adding some size and Olynyk has been very good in limited minutes. A platoon with Maxi makes some sense and helps the Mavs when they need to play big or if/when KP is hurt.
Joseph and Olynyk are both tradable assets Dallas can move on from if they find themselves in cap trouble after resigning DFS and JB.
(02-01-2022, 09:27 PM)vfromlmf Wrote: [ -> ]Given the recent reports on Brunson and DFS, I don't see Dallas making any earth shattering moves at the TDL.
But they could look to add some scoring punch and I like the idea of resetting their salary structure to better handle new deals for our UFAs.
How about THJ for Olynyk and Cory Joseph?
Detroit gets the guy they wanted last year and at a nice discount. The fact that he's hurt shouldn't bother them. This move would be about the future and putting a veteran shooter next to Cunningham.
Not flashy but Dallas upgrades two spots and fortifies for the playoffs.
Joseph is passable on offense but he's the kind of hard-nosed veteran defender who can help this team in the playoffs. I like Ntilikina's upside but I certainly don't trust him in a playoff setting. Joseph would be a significant upgrade in my opinion.
I always like the idea of adding some size and Olynyk has been very good in limited minutes. A platoon with Maxi makes some sense and helps the Mavs when they need to play big or if/when KP is hurt.
Joseph and Olynyk are both tradable assets Dallas can move on from if they find themselves in cap trouble after resigning DFS and JB.
I agree. IF Brunson's preference is to stay in Dallas, it makes no sense to trade him away. But that does mean the Mavs have to be prepared to offer him whatever salary.
I also think the Mavs need some sort of consistent scoring. I think Gallinari on the Hawks is an interesting candidate to absorb as a scorer off the bench. If Philly ever does trade Simmons, Mavs acting as a 3rd team to get Tobias is another solid scorer that can actually reduce Maxi's role a bit.
Other names I have my eye on are Buddy, Holmes, and even Bagley to an extent. All would be amazing here.
(02-01-2022, 09:27 PM)vfromlmf Wrote: [ -> ]How about THJ for Olynyk and Cory Joseph?
This was what I was thinking the other day. Seems semi-doable.
This team isn’t doing anything this year. The worst possible situations we could wind up in: 1) KP has another significant injury missing next year or 2) Brunson leaves and we get nothing……these are on the table. This summer may be too long to wait
NYK obviously want Brunson. Maybe there’s others but the only teams i can think of who KP makes sense is SAS and SAC
Fox, Hali, KP and Murray-KP cores would be the roll the dice motivation for these teams.
DAL: White, Poeltl, Reddish, our pick back
SAS: KP, pick from NYK
NYK: Brunson plus minor assets
Something like this where we would have all our picks for a future trade. Plus get some better fitting pieces and cheaper contracts going forward
“Guys can tend to start thinking about, ‘Am I staying? Am I leaving?’” Kidd said. “They’re human, and they hear things. This is the time where good teams that aren’t making any trades tend to run off five or six games and the teams that are worried about where they’re staying for All-Star break or [if] they [are] being traded tend to have some slippage.
“So we have to help them through this because it’s just natural if you hear something. You’re going to think you can be traded, and as much as we say we don’t as athletes, we hear everything.”
Based on this quote, a massive Mavericks trade must be coming because the "slippage" is about as bad as it can get. It is sad, the Magic and Thunder seem to be strong enough mentally heading into the ASB.
Mavs obviously miss KP and THJ but interpreting what it means for this roster is tough.
First, this team looks like a sieve without KP protecting the rim. Powell only managed 13 min against one of the worst teams in the league? Lou Dort bulldozed everyone like he's prime Bonzi Wells? Has KP been so good that his impact can turn a rag tag group of role players into a top-5 defensive team? Or does his absence mean he must be traded? Regardless, Dallas desperately needs a paint presence on defense.
Next, this team just has no scoring off the bench without THJ. Granted, Bullock managed an efficient 23 last night but he's just a shooter, a career < 14 pts per 40 guy. Dallas desperately needs some scoring punch off the bench but with no time table for THJ's return I have no idea if they'll be aggressive at the deadline.
(02-03-2022, 09:01 AM)Hypermav Wrote: [ -> ]Based on this quote, a massive Mavericks trade must be coming because the "slippage" is about as bad as it can get. It is sad, the Magic and Thunder seem to be strong enough mentally heading into the ASB.
Seriously. You can almost read it as Kidd saying "I'm not good enough to keep my team locked in against 2 teams intentionally trying to lose"