Ugh..lakers were dead with Westbrook. With Lebron’s age, maybe they are regardless. But the path to being a great team with Kyrie is definitely possible before the crazy starts over. And they may get Joe Harris to?
"Do you think they noticed what he did to our team?"
-actual dialogue from both Lakers and Nets front offices
(07-02-2022, 07:25 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Ugh..lakers were dead with Westbrook. With Lebron’s age, maybe they are regardless. But the path to being a great team with Kyrie is definitely possible before the crazy starts over. And they may get Joe Harris to?
Just wondering, how is Kyrie/Lebron/AD and a bunch of minimums any better than what they were last year?
I'd argue they're in the same boat given the health concerns of both AD AND Kyrie, not to mention Lebron's another year older. Sure, even if they get Seth Curry they'd be slightly better. But their roster is still a mess.
Plus you always got to factor Kyrie can implode a team at any second just by being Kyrie.
(07-03-2022, 12:21 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Just wondering, how is Kyrie/Lebron/AD and a bunch of minimums any better than what they were last year?
I'd argue they're in the same boat given the health concerns of both AD AND Kyrie, not to mention Lebron's another year older. Sure, even if they get Seth Curry they'd be slightly better. But their roster is still a mess.
Plus you always got to factor Kyrie can implode a team at any second just by being Kyrie.
Kyrie gives you a lot more firepower on offense. It's certainly an upgrade and makes them a playoff team.
(07-03-2022, 12:21 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Just wondering, how is Kyrie/Lebron/AD and a bunch of minimums any better than what they were last year?
I'd argue they're in the same boat given the health concerns of both AD AND Kyrie, not to mention Lebron's another year older. Sure, even if they get Seth Curry they'd be slightly better. But their roster is still a mess.
Plus you always got to factor Kyrie can implode a team at any second just by being Kyrie.
Kyrie is a perfect piece with those guys, and Westbrook is one of the worst fits imaginable. The Lakers were nuts when they did that trade. Westbrook has value - despite getting crushed this year. But making Lebron or Westbrook (whoever doesn't have the ball) a spot up 3pt shooter is a crazy game plan. Kyrie can play off ball as well as any PG in the league. It is a huge difference. Adding either Harris or Seth is just more deadly for the Lakers. If they are able to pull this off, I hate to say it, but they are back. They will have to stay healthier than they were last year, but Lebron/AD/Kyrie/shooters is potentially nasty.
(07-02-2022, 03:38 PM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: [ -> ]So, Philly just traded for Melton and then in this scenario they’re getting Gordon. Not sure where the room is for THJ. They also signed House. Powell gives them a back-up C, which they do not have, on an expiring contract. It cuts Philly’s payroll for next season down by 11M, so they can pay Harden more.
Philly has a backup center, Paul Reed. They call him "B-Ball Paul" LOL.
(07-03-2022, 12:26 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Kyrie gives you a lot more firepower on offense. It's certainly an upgrade and makes them a playoff team.
Providing he behaves. Lebron can get him to do that.
Kyrie Irving with a 38 year old candidate for greatest player of all time, an icon of success and respect in the African American community, soon to be one of the first black billionaires, if he isn't already? That has a chance of working. I STILL would be worried if I were the Lakers, but their franchise player is 38 - they really need to make desperate moves.
Kyrie Irving with a 23 year old Eastern European player with whom he has nothing in common and probably doesn't really respect all that much? Bad, bad idea. I mean, I am 100% positive that Irving respects Luka's game, but come on...he's still a kid. And, playing in DFW? Kyrie? I'd say you're going to have a bored and disgruntled Irving before Christmas, and he'll find a way to completely let the team down by missing a ton of games, as he has for basically the last 5 seasons. There is NO chance of Luka, DFS, Kleber or any of Dallas' team-first guys influencing him, while there is significant risk, imo, of Irving having a negative influence on Dallas' 23-year old superstar, who is likely still extremely impressionable in some ways.
Oh, yeah...they'd give up assets to do this act of terrorism to their own team. And oh yeah, it's 99% sure to last only one season, at the most. They'd wind up without Irving, without what it cost to acquire him and without a championship to show for it. Worse off than they are right now, with Doncic a year older and with a lot of new ideas.
I cannot stress enough how bad of an idea I believe this to be. Irving is an INCREDIBLE player, no doubt. Please, Mavs, I am begging you to let him get his attention somewhere else.
(07-03-2022, 01:42 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I know this guy isn't really legit, and this tweet reads like Dallas is involved in the KD situation, somehow, which probably means he's confused, at the very least. Still, could be about Irving (please no) or could be about some moving piece of the KD situation (like Joe Harris or Simmons). Just throwing it out there because things are slow today and I'm bored.
https://twitter.com/LegionHoopsRoss/status/1543625306547838976?s=20&t=1rkgVg_TEqmIJhQGKTv4VA
Would prefer Simmons over Kyrie, if Kidd could get him to buy in as a small ball 5 on offense, would be sweet.
(07-03-2022, 02:23 PM)Dirknows Wrote: [ -> ]if Kidd could get him to buy in as a small ball 5 on offense, would be sweet.
That's one possible option, and I think he'd play well at the 4 with Wood or Kleber at the 5 (though definitely not with Powell or McGee) too.
Way, WAY more impactful than Tobias Harris, for example, and so more worth the financial burden.
(07-03-2022, 10:28 AM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: [ -> ]Philly has a backup center, Paul Reed. They call him "B-Ball Paul" LOL.
They also signed D-Jordan, which is another LOL, but it gives them two back up centers. I doubt Powell is a big need for them
(07-03-2022, 12:21 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Just wondering, how is Kyrie/Lebron/AD and a bunch of minimums any better than what they were last year?
I'd argue they're in the same boat given the health concerns of both AD AND Kyrie, not to mention Lebron's another year older. Sure, even if they get Seth Curry they'd be slightly better. But their roster is still a mess.
Plus you always got to factor Kyrie can implode a team at any second just by being Kyrie.
It would dramatically raise their ceiling even if the floor is the same. Westbrook is a totally washed zero on court asset. Actually, now that he’s lost his athleticism, he’s a significant liability on the court. When Kyrie plays, on the other hand, he plays at an elite HOF level with both high usage and high efficiency. He’s the best pure scoring guard in the league. For me, it’s kind of just the principle that the Lakers can somehow offload a worthless player with a ridiculous contract, with no other meaningful assets and potentially bring back a HOFer. It’s just the kind of stuff the Lakers have always done that’s very irritating. The Nets should tell them to eff off. To Hell with the Lakers.
(07-03-2022, 02:39 PM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: [ -> ]It would dramatically raise their ceiling even if the floor is the same. Westbrook is a totally washed zero on court asset. Actually, now that he’s lost his athleticism, he’s a significant liability on the court. When Kyrie plays, on the other hand, he plays at an elite HOF level with both high usage and high efficiency. He’s the best pure scoring guard in the league. For me, it’s kind of just the principle that the Lakers can somehow offload a worthless player with a ridiculous contract, with no other meaningful assets and potentially bring back a HOFer. It’s just the kind of stuff the Lakers have always done that’s very irritating. The Nets should tell them to eff off. To Hell with the Lakers.
That's the key part of your statement and why I mentioned it. Kyrie usually does not play. Neither does Anthony Davis. Lebron is turning 39 this year, and when the trade for Kyrie goes through, the Lakers will once again be a trio+a bunch of vet mins.
Do we seriously expect Kyrie+AD+LBJ be able to play 35+ mins a night for 82 games and be competitive in the playoffs?
(07-03-2022, 02:27 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]They also signed D-Jordan, which is another LOL, but it gives them two back up centers. I doubt Powell is a big need for them
if you're speaking of DeAndre Jordan, he signed a one year deal with Denver. Don't know the status of Boogie Cousins.