(01-29-2023, 10:52 AM)Okstate819 Wrote: [ -> ]With the trade for Rui and the intention of re-signing him, they actually don’t have much flexibility. The Rui trade indicates to me they are likely to move Russ+ picks package to get players they want now.
I think they go a different direction. They will trade Lebron this summer for a haul. Why would Lebron stay there? I’m sure they’ve already got it worked out behind the scenes
What about Josh Primo? Is he untouchable? To be honest I would be perfectly fine with some exposing themselves to our front office at times.
Any trade that brings Bogdanovich’s old ass for a FRP is a nonstarter.
(01-29-2023, 12:12 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Any trade that brings Bogdanovich’s old ass for a FRP is a nonstarter.
Just disagree. It can’t be the only move but this team has to balance the interests of Luka and his desire to contend/win now. Bogdanovic is a quality starter in a playoff series and if balanced with other moves that keep long term team building in mind, giving a 1st is something I would consider. Again, it can’t be the only move you make.
(01-28-2023, 01:16 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]I suspect he’s trying to make a point about being a strong negotiator. I agree that Quickley is the better player and the better fit. But in a negotiation you don’t just bend over and take it. You make points to support your view of value.
I’ve often said if Donald Trump was a local real estate broker and was selling a $700,000 house, he’d set the asking price at $3,000,000 hoping to get someone to bite on a $1.5mm bargain. In a negotiation, you can take whatever position you want to take. Much depends on how much you want the deal vs how willing you are to walk away.
I'm not saying what our starting position should be, I am saying that if the end result is that send Bullock and two seconds for Quickley we will have fleeced NY.
(01-29-2023, 12:12 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Any trade that brings Bogdanovich’s old ass for a FRP is a nonstarter.
Bojan is a more consistent 3 pt shooter than anyone else on your team, with the possible exception of Dinwiddie (although we'll see if Dinwiddie's is sustainable) who's shooting 41.2 % from 3. Luka is shooting 35.1 % from 3. Bojan is shooting 42% from 3. Besides, he has signed an extension, so you don't have to worry about him walking away at the end of the season. But if Detroit doesn't get a 1st, he isn't going anyway so I'm hearing.
(01-28-2023, 12:15 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah. In this market, yeah. The guy averaged 39.3 minutes per game as a starter in a run to the Western Conference Finals last year while shooting 40% from three. If you could turn a 1st round pick into that kind of player, you do it.
I get that he has had a rough go of things this year and has looked slow and lost at times. But his shooting has come around and his on-court impact is starting to even out as well.
If there is any chance you could net a first for Bulluck, you have to pull that trigger immediately. I would be shocked if that was an option.
At 30 nobody thought he was worth more than the MLE and I doubt the Mavs had a lot of competition to get him. I don't remember a single person on this board suggesting him as an MLE target. He had a nice late season and playoff run last year, but he has been nowhere near consistent enough in his career for teems to count on him repeating that performance. Any value he may have accrued for that run has been marred by playing himself out of the starting lineup this year.
(01-29-2023, 12:12 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Any trade that brings Bogdanovich’s old ass for a FRP is a nonstarter.
A big part of the first is paying to dump Bertans. I'm not sure either team makes that move.
(01-29-2023, 10:18 AM)Okstate819 Wrote: [ -> ]Dallas gets - Bogdanovic, Noel, Knox
Det gets - THJ, Bertans, 2025 unprotected 1st
- Giving up an unprotected 1 is tough for someone Bojan’s age but it’s undeniable how he would help for next year or two. Consistent shooting is badly needed (see THJ last night). Bojan’s added playmaking would help as well and defensively he’s at least on par with THJ. Noel is a big that would have a role here and Knox still has some untapped potential I believe. Finally, this trade has the added bonus of getting off THJ and Bertans money.
Dallas gets - Immanuel Quickly, Cam Reddish
NY gets - Reggie Bullock, Jaden Hardy
- Quickly has the potential to be a long term piece here and his skill set is badly needed (ball handler who can play on both ends). You could make the argument of including Green instead of Hardy which I would do as well. You have to give something of value to get IQ. Reddish is just filler but like Knox above is another youth piece to be developed and has potential.
Dallas gets - John Collins
ATL gets - Christian Wood, Javale Mcgee, 2 2nd Rd picks
- We can’t lose Wood for nothing and ATL is said to be looking for a shooting big. While i understand some still prefer Wood over Collins, I personally think Collins is a better fit long term as he has shown to have quicker feet defensively and the ability to guard (when motivated).
Luka
Dinwiddie
Bojan
Kleber
Collins
Quickly
DFS
Green
Noel
Reddish
Knox
Powell
Overall this roster overhaul adds youth/athleticim/long term pieces but also improves our ability to win now. The cost being a 2025 1st, Hardy, and 2 2nds… Our ability to make big trades with multiple pick would still be there after the draft, but I don’t believe we can outbid the NY and NOP of the world for a superstar anyway. We shouldn’t be adverse to using assets now to acquire starting level players.
Edit - I’m probably starting Quickly in this scenario and moving Dinwiddie back to 6th man role.
There are some good ideas in here. I have mixed thoughts regarding the Bogi trade, but the Hardy for Quickley idea is interesting. I think I would pull that trigger. I have little interest in Reddish so I would prefer something like Frank + Hardy for Quickley, but I think I would do yours as well. I also like the Wood trade if we don't think we can extend Wood. This board would have been ecstatic if you said you could convert their meager offseason assets into Collins. But he is making a lot of money for a long time and I'm skeptical that Cuban would be willing to pull that trigger.
The other angle would be to take on Fournier, who might work better on the Mavs. He got 2 years left. And 3rd a team option. Tho pretty much the Tim contract. If Tim goes in a different type of deal.
If Knicks still want to dump Fournier, and you get paid with IQ. This was the rumor in Dec, before IQ kinda flourished for the Knicks.
Where you might get IQ done without a 1st or Hardy/Green. With one or two 2nd round picks + taking on Fournier.
https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status...8991857666
Too much of a pipedream?
DAL in: Collins, Anunoby, Bogdanovic.
DAL out: Hardaway, Wood, Finney-Smith, Bullock, '24 DAL 1st swap rights, '25 1st (unprotected), '27 DAL 1st (unprotected).
BKN in: Wood, Bullock.
BKN out: Harris, Thomas, '23 BKN 1st.
ATL in: Finney-Smith, Hardaway, Boucher.
ATL out: Collins, Bogdanovic, J. Holiday.
TOR in: Harris, Thomas, J. Holiday, '23 BKN 1st, '24 DAL 1st swap rights, '25 1st (unprotected), '27 DAL 1st (unprotected).
TOR out: Anunoby, Boucher.
Doncic/Dinwiddie
Bogdanovic
Anunoby/Green
Collins/
Powell/Kleber
TOR gets a "Murray" package for O.G.;
ATL gets a starter and rotation players with good salary/control for Collins/Bogdanovic (they may bark at the THJ/Bogi swap, but I'd insist);
BKN bolster their frontline and get a "3&D" wing for their depth.
DAL gets two young starters to pair with Luka for the foreseable future. Still leaves expiring/Hardy/1st to upgrade the SG or the C position.
(01-29-2023, 02:05 PM)sefant Wrote: [ -> ]He got 2 years left. And 3rd a team option.
Only one year + team option after this season.
(01-29-2023, 02:05 PM)sefant Wrote: [ -> ]Fournier
I think NY would want to get better using his contract, not just dump him. They need matching salary if they go after guys like Anunoby. So which Mavs players would make them better than Fournier + Quickley?
(01-29-2023, 02:05 PM)sefant Wrote: [ -> ]If Knicks still want to dump Fournier, and you get paid with IQ
Very much on board with this. I think Fournier might have something left in a new situation.
(01-29-2023, 02:08 PM)HAguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ]Too much of a pipedream?
DAL in: Collins, Anunoby, Bogdanovic.
DAL out: Hardaway, Wood, Finney-Smith, Bullock, '24 DAL 1st swap rights, '25 1st (unprotected), '27 DAL 1st (unprotected).
BKN in: Wood, Bullock.
BKN out: Harris, Thomas, '23 BKN 1st.
ATL in: Finney-Smith, Hardaway, Boucher.
ATL out: Collins, Bogdanovic, J. Holiday.
TOR in: Harris, Thomas, J. Holiday, '23 BKN 1st, '24 DAL 1st swap rights, '25 1st (unprotected), '27 DAL 1st (unprotected).
TOR out: Anunoby, Boucher.
Doncic/Dinwiddie
Bogdanovic
Anunoby/Green
Collins/
Powell/Kleber
TOR gets a "Murray" package for O.G.;
ATL gets a starter and rotation players with good salary/control for Collins/Bogdanovic (they may bark at the THJ/Bogi swap, but I'd insist);
BKN bolster their frontline and get a "3&D" wing for their depth.
DAL gets two young starters to pair with Luka for the foreseable future. Still leaves expiring/Hardy/1st to upgrade the SG or the C position.
I actually really like this trade. It makes a lot of sense for everyone, but I'm not sure Atlanta goes for it and I have no clue if the trades are legal, but well thought out and a worthy all in move imo.
Mavs would probably have to include Green and or Hardy to make this work, but the incoming talent is probably worth it. If you throw both of them in, I think the trade could definitely be worked out.
You have to hope Collins regains form and Anunoby has another level he can reach. Both are very possible.
Giving up too much for Collins and OG, imo.
Still have Dwight at Center lol. Remember him getting played off court in Playoffs?
I pass on that trade...even if it gets us new players and saves money. And youre talking about possibly throwing in Green or Hardy too.
(01-29-2023, 10:18 AM)Okstate819 Wrote: [ -> ]Dallas gets - Bogdanovic, Noel, Knox
Det gets - THJ, Bertans, 2025 unprotected 1st
- Giving up an unprotected 1 is tough for someone Bojan’s age but it’s undeniable how he would help for next year or two. Consistent shooting is badly needed (see THJ last night). Bojan’s added playmaking would help as well and defensively he’s at least on par with THJ. Noel is a big that would have a role here and Knox still has some untapped potential I believe. Finally, this trade has the added bonus of getting off THJ and Bertans money.
Dallas gets - Immanuel Quickly, Cam Reddish
NY gets - Reggie Bullock, Jaden Hardy
- Quickly has the potential to be a long term piece here and his skill set is badly needed (ball handler who can play on both ends). You could make the argument of including Green instead of Hardy which I would do as well. You have to give something of value to get IQ. Reddish is just filler but like Knox above is another youth piece to be developed and has potential.
Dallas gets - John Collins
ATL gets - Christian Wood, Javale Mcgee, 2 2nd Rd picks
- We can’t lose Wood for nothing and ATL is said to be looking for a shooting big. While i understand some still prefer Wood over Collins, I personally think Collins is a better fit long term as he has shown to have quicker feet defensively and the ability to guard (when motivated).
Luka
Dinwiddie
Bojan
Kleber
Collins
Quickly
DFS
Green
Noel
Reddish
Knox
Powell
Overall this roster overhaul adds youth/athleticim/long term pieces but also improves our ability to win now. The cost being a 2025 1st, Hardy, and 2 2nds… Our ability to make big trades with multiple pick would still be there after the draft, but I don’t believe we can outbid the NY and NOP of the world for a superstar anyway. We shouldn’t be adverse to using assets now to acquire starting level players.
Edit - I’m probably starting Quickly in this scenario and moving Dinwiddie back to 6th man role.
How is Collins better than Wood? IMO you only get Collins to pair with Wood.