(12-23-2022, 02:24 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]His age is the major concern for me if you spend all your assets on him as he is about to turn 29.
Not ideal, but not old.
The thing is, the Mavs are probably
never going to have a package to offer that's good enough for a young player of that caliber...at least not with Luka on his current contract.
Siakim, to me, is worth pushing the chips all in.
(12-23-2022, 02:26 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]The thing is, the Mavs are probably never going to have a package to offer that's good enough for a young player of that caliber.
Which is why I want them putting energy into DRAFTING and still am angry that RC screwed the tank during Luka's rookie year and am frustrated by Kidd's rotations.
STOP PUTTING MONEY AND ENERGY INTO GUYS ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THIRTY.
Ugh.
(12-23-2022, 02:24 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I agree. He's young, and much closer to Barnes' timeline.
It's only my logic, and not reporting, so I could be way off here, but FVV and Siakim are kind of in Barnes' way a little, so if they're really thinking about reshaping their roster I'd bet those will be the first two names dangled. Who knows if they even are thinking that way, however.
I am surprised by the Raptors struggle I like a lot of their players. I haven't kept up to date on them but supposedly Barnes is not having the season the team expected....yet. I always viewed him as a future All NBA type player. Maybe that will happen, but it appears he has not really taken another step in year 2.
Maybe the Raptors lack a quality center, but I really thought they would be a 4-6 seed and a team no one wanted to play in the playoffs. Maybe that will come, but we will see. They do have some really nice trade pieces and that front office is not afraid to think big.
(12-23-2022, 02:31 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]I am surprised by the Raptors struggle I like a lot of their players. I haven't kept up to date on them but supposedly Barnes is not having the season the team expected....yet. I always viewed him as a future All NBA type player. Maybe that will happen, but it appears he has not really taken another step in year 2.
Totally. So now the question they must answer for themselves is: Do they develop him as a support player for FVV and Siakim, a tandem that doesn't seem to have enough juice to make it to the top tier, or do they sell those guys off (those players won't just hand Barnes the reigns, willingly) and force Barnes into a "star" role to see if that doesn't expedite the process?
If I'm in their shoes, I choose option B, because even if Barnes is ultimately not what they hope, they will probably get worse enough from moving FVV and Siakim to get themselves another chance at someone who will be that guy.
(12-23-2022, 02:34 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/_TradeDeadline/statu...7446925325
It would seem to be the smart thing to do. I wonder if they will be able to sign him after trying to trade him for what appears to be 3 years. Obviously it didn't work out with us and Jalen. Yes, I am bitter with our FO. I wonder if Turner has any bad feelings about constantly being on the block?
(12-23-2022, 02:33 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/_TradeDeadline/statu...0496550912
OR, maybe they just add another quality complementary piece to their already deep roster and hope that solves everything, lol!
Honestly, that might help.
The Raptors really are the exact opposite of the Mavs. They have sooooo much going for them. Basically everything BUT a Luka-level guy. Must be nice to follow a team with a master GM.
(12-23-2022, 02:38 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]OR, maybe they just add another quality complementary piece to their already deep roster and hope that solves everything, lol!
Honestly, that might help.
The Raptors really are the exact opposite of the Mavs. They have sooooo much going for them. Basically everything BUT a Luka-level guy. Must be nice to follow a team with a master GM.
They are one of the teams I don't want to deal with in a trade. There are a few others. Although to be honest, there are a lot of pretty smart teams now. What is that saying, if you don't see the dumbest person in the room....it may be you......
(12-23-2022, 02:49 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]They are one of the teams I don't want to deal with in a trade. There are a few others. Although to be honest, there are a lot of pretty smart teams now. What is that saying, if you don't see the dumbest person in the room....it may be you......
Hahaha, it's definitely us.
If only the Mavs' open GM job had coincided with Ujiri's contract ending and a sliver of availability for his services...
(12-23-2022, 02:24 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I have been begging for him since he was benched in 2020 and I thought TOR might want KP.
His age is the major concern for me if you spend all your assets on him as he is about to turn 29.
But the dude has a pretty elite impact on winning.
I believe Lowe and Marks were saying in Lowe's podcast that Siakam would be eligible for the supermax once his contract is up if he makes an all NBA team this year, which isn't out of the question. That's another thing to keep in mind with him besides his age.
(12-23-2022, 02:29 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]... and still am angry that RC screwed the tank during Luka's rookie year .
Bro, you should let that go. That draft outcome was truly a product of bad luck, the worst lottery luck possible, not of W/L position. The tanking was just the right amount to get them precisely where they needed to be. Except for that unimaginable bad luck.
We often forget that when the year ended, going into the lottery the Mavs were tied with NO and MEM at 7th and each had the exact same number of lottery balls. Mavs had to land in 1-4 to keep the pick.
If you wanted the Mavs to have a do-over, you'd actually want them to be in that exact spot, because NO (Zion) and MEM (Ja) drew picks 1 and 2 from there. Being in a somewhat higher lottery spot wouldn't have really helped at all. Pick 3 went to NY (Barrett) with the NBA's worst record (17 wins, and far out of reach of the Mavs with 33 wins). Pick 4 went to LAL (Hunter) from the 11th slot (37 wins).
(12-23-2022, 02:29 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Which is why I want them putting energy into DRAFTING and still am angry that RC screwed the tank during Luka's rookie year and am frustrated by Kidd's rotations.
STOP PUTTING MONEY AND ENERGY INTO GUYS ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THIRTY.
Ugh.
Serious question, because I'm not sure I have the answer:
Now that Luka is on that 2nd contract, with the clock ticking, is it too late to think about adding a player through the draft to be his costar?
I can see arguments for both sides. Age wise, it works, but the amount of losing they'd have to do to accomplish this...
MJ was 24 when they traded for/drafted Scottie. Target someone in the draft that can challenge Luka defensively during and after practice and can make each other better. Trade up in the draft if you have to, which is going to be painful. I know I am in fantasy land but this is my 2 cents. And I realize not everything has to be about the Bulls. I think Klay was drafted in the 11th spot, which isn't out of the Mavs reach.
(12-23-2022, 03:26 PM)BoredAssistant Wrote: [ -> ]MJ was 24 when they traded for/drafted Scottie. Target someone in the draft that can challenge Luka defensively during and after practice and can make each other better. Trade up in the draft if you have to, which is going to be painful. I know I am in fantasy land but this is my 2 cents. And I realize not everything has to be about the Bulls. I think Klay was drafted in the 11th spot, which isn't out of the Mavs reach.
Great thoughts here.
I guess the glaring difference between the two situations is the frequency of guys like Luka changing teams these days.
It's an important philosophical tipping point, however. I'm not sure it's possible for the Mavs to keep Luka AND add a lottery pick, but I also kind of hope they're at least thinking about ways to keep that door open.
(12-23-2022, 03:06 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Serious question, because I'm not sure I have the answer:
Now that Luka is on that 2nd contract, with the clock ticking, is it too late to think about adding a player through the draft to be his costar?
I can see arguments for both sides. Age wise, it works, but the amount of losing they'd have to do to accomplish this...
That's a great question.
I skew towards tank/draft this season, and now you have another building block with the potential to have a great upside. And that player wouldn't cost them multiple picks and other assets to acquire, and he would have a long future here with a cost-controlled salary.
And not sure the tank cost/risk (lose some games, in a going nowhere season) is all that great.
You gotta get the right guy, of course. Obviously they could mess that up.
But they could also mess up a trade or the free agent route too.
(12-23-2022, 02:24 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I have been begging for him since he was benched in 2020 and I thought TOR might want KP.
His age is the major concern for me if you spend all your assets on him as he is about to turn 29.
But the dude has a pretty elite impact on winning.
Me too. I think that was a lost opportunity, if TOR was willing.
(12-23-2022, 03:06 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Serious question, because I'm not sure I have the answer:
Now that Luka is on that 2nd contract, with the clock ticking, is it too late to think about adding a player through the draft to be his costar?
I can see arguments for both sides. Age wise, it works, but the amount of losing they'd have to do to accomplish this...
No it is NOT too late IMO.
I have been begging them to trade UP in every draft to try and do just that. I would spend assets and future draft picks to TRADE UP, not for a guy about to be 30.
I would literally liquidate every asset the Mavs have for draft assets if I was running this thing and would have done so every year since Luka was a rookie.
(12-23-2022, 03:50 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]No it is NOT too late IMO.
I have been begging them to trade UP in every draft to try and do just that. I would spend assets and future draft picks to TRADE UP, not for a guy about to be 30.
I would literally liquidate every asset the Mavs have for draft assets if I was running this thing and would have done so every year since Luka was a rookie.
Has there been an actual window of opportunity? Luka was in 2018. They didn't even have a pick, to trade up, in 19 or 21. We know they tried in 2020 to do exactly what you are talking about but couldn't find a taker.
Did they miss a real opportunity? Or is this just a wish there had been one?
(12-23-2022, 04:06 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]Did they miss a real opportunity? Or is this just a wish there had been one?
I think they wanted desperately to trade up with PHX a few years back (#10, if memory serves) in order to draft Halliburton, which obviously would've changed the trajectory of this thing considerably, but I don't think PHX would play ball. I think that pick wound up become Jalen Smith (lol).