(01-22-2023, 02:33 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]Would you rather do the following for a hypothetical OG trade:
Bertans/Green/Hardy/28
Or
Bertans/Hardy/27/29
?
Green. Giving the 27 and 29 only allows 1 pick to be traded in the offseason. After this season is over, I’m calling Miami about Bam with my 3 FRPs and pick swaps and letting them get off that Robinson (maybe even Lowry too) contract. This is after their 1st round loss in the playoffs.
(01-20-2023, 06:23 PM)DallasMaverick Wrote: [ -> ]Right. If we could get LeBron, Anthony Davis, and Russell Westbrook, it doesn't really matter about the other guys on the roster because they would be so good that they'd always win, and this board would have nothing to complain about.
Right.
You have a problem with this specific rotation or just arguing a theory?
Luka, Quickly
THJ, Frank
OG, Reddish
Siakom, Maxi
Wood, Powell
(01-22-2023, 02:33 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]Would you rather do the following for a hypothetical OG trade:
Bertans/Green/Hardy/28
Or
Bertans/Hardy/27/29
?
Excellent question. I'd rather keep Green than the FRP.
Luka
Din
Green
OG
Wood
(01-22-2023, 02:48 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Green. Giving the 27 and 29 only allows 1 pick to be traded in the offseason. After this season is over, I’m calling Miami about Bam with my 3 FRPs and pick swaps and letting them get off that Robinson (maybe even Lowry too) contract. This is after their 1st round loss in the playoffs.
But, if the pick is needed for a bigger plan like Bam, you trade green with the one FRP.
Hardy Green and FRP for OG...
When Green pretty much is OG...
Not really a fan of the trade
(01-22-2023, 03:39 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: [ -> ]But, if the pick is needed for a bigger plan like Bam, you trade green with the one FRP.
I doubt 3 FRPs does it, don't think 1 with 1 player the equivalent is gonna be better.
(01-22-2023, 05:44 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: [ -> ]Precious has been balling...
Loved him in the pre-draft process.
Ya, Toronto is the perfect trading partner.
I'd love:
- Siakam
- OG
- Precious
I'd be take in a packaged deal:
- FVV
- Trent Jr
- Young
I think it makes sense to deal with Toronto. There's too much there that we need, on a bad Eastern Conference team.
Agreed
If not us, another West conference team is about to greatly improve their chances of getting to the Finals after throwing all their assets at the Raptors
They have a 7 game road trip coming up. Decent chance they return home with a totally different team
What kind of package would we have to offer to get...
OG, FVV, Boucher
Would this work?
Din, DFS, Green, Hardy, 2FRPs, 2SRPs
Then, NY... Bullock/SRP for Quickley/Reddish
Luka, Quickly
FVV, THJ
OG, Reddish
Boucher, Maxi
Wood, Powell
Fodder: Magee, Bertans, Pinson (try to package them in a THJ trade).
(01-22-2023, 11:03 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: [ -> ]What kind of package would we have to offer to get...
OG, FVV, Boucher
Would this work?
Din, DFS, Green, Hardy, 2FRPs, 2SRPs
Then, NY... Bullock/SRP for Quickley/Reddish
Luka, Quickly
FVV, THJ
OG, Reddish
Boucher, Maxi
Wood, Powell
Fodder: Magee, Bertans, Pinson (try to package them in a THJ trade).
I don't think NY does that trade, but the Toronto trade seems possible just because it seems like a lot for both sides. You have to give up to get. Honestly that's an all in move and I don't think that makes us title contenders.
(01-23-2023, 12:19 AM)BigDirk41 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think NY does that trade, but the Toronto trade seems possible just because it seems like a lot for both sides. You have to give up to get. Honestly that's an all in move and I don't think that makes us title contenders.
Think Quickley (and maybe Hartenstein) has to be "the" target if you are dealing with the Knicks. He might fix the 3rd playmaker void, while also upping the defense by a lot. Could totally see him working very well next to Luka.
There was one rumor that the Mavs/Bucks are interesting in him. Not feeling the Reddish trade, if that is the only guy the Mavs are getting. Quickley impact numbers looking really good, kinda like Josh Green. I would nearly give up a 1st for Quickley/Hartenstein i think.
1st/Quickley/Hartenstein/Reddish for Bullock/McGee
![[Image: quickley.png]](https://i.postimg.cc/Cxqb5WTJ/quickley.png)
1st in plus minus / 2nd in on/off / 1st in defensive on/off
Quickley is totally dominating Knicks 2 man lineups like Josh Green. But on a higher minutes sample size. Knicks has been 13.7 pts better on defense with Quickley on the floor. Otherwise their defense is collapsing far worse than the Mavs without Green.
He is 23, and showing signs of being capable being on and off the ball next to Brunson. Now ""demoted"" to the bench, because Barrett is back from injury. Doubt he is super happy being a backup. Barret is really the Knicks version of making too much cash to be benched.
Quickley might just be the defensive PG version that would be a great fit on the bench with Spencer or starting with Luka.
(01-23-2023, 05:15 AM)sefant Wrote: [ -> ]Quickley
Now he is someone I can get behind. Liked him quite a bit in the pre-draft process and I think he has a bright NBA future ahead of him.
(01-23-2023, 05:15 AM)sefant Wrote: [ -> ]Think Quickley (and maybe Hartenstein) has to be "the" target if you are dealing with the Knicks. He might fix the 3rd playmaker void, while also upping the defense by a lot. Could totally see him working very well next to Luka.
There are lots of things to like on the NY roster (I wonder if bridges were burned behind the scenes this summer). You’ve identified two. I’d also be happy with Quickley and Sims. I would note that if there is a Plan Powder for 2024 as I wrote elsewhere, Rose and Fournier would be logical ads if NY wants to make the package bigger. Rose has a TO, so they don’t have to keep him. Fournier is just dead money that pushes them closer to the LT next season. Paying a first for Reddish is just an embarrassment and moving him is probably more about saving face than getting real value.
To me, NY should try to cash in some of its picks and Rose for an upgrade somewhere. I like that they think highly of Bullock, but that is a secondary move. Their first priority should be Rose and kids and picks for something before the TDL. If that doesn’t materialize, then moving away from the LT (to avoid being hard-capped) would help them make deals this summer. I could see Reggie and expiring for Fournier and Kids making sense. Not sure if Powell for Hartenstein is that expiring or if LeVert makes more sense going to NY in a three team with Cleveland involving THJ.
Unfortunately, neither Powell nor LeVert is a great three-point shooter and NY needs shooting. If you do Powell/Reggie for Fournier/IH/Quickley, Dallas would need to add some salary. The more even financial move would be Powell/Reggie for Fournier/Sims/Quickley. NY gets useful-now Reggie for useful-later Sims/Quickley. Part of the compensation for that is Powell making the Fournier money disappear. Might not require picks. We would miss Powell a little in the near term, but Sims brings a similar game in a bigger body. As others have said, Quickley is that third ball-handling guard who defends well that we could really use.
(01-23-2023, 08:18 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Liked him quite a bit in the pre-draft process
Looking back on that, it turns out I liked him more than his teammate Maxey (!) and thought he would be a special shooter and defender. I think the FG% & 3P% is going to spike at some point, so now would be the time to target him.
(01-23-2023, 10:17 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]There are lots of things to like on the NY roster (I wonder if bridges were burned behind the scenes this summer). You’ve identified two. I’d also be happy with Quickley and Sims. I would note that if there is a Plan Powder for 2024 as I wrote elsewhere, Rose and Fournier would be logical ads if NY wants to make the package bigger. Rose has a TO, so they don’t have to keep him. Fournier is just dead money that pushes them closer to the LT next season. Paying a first for Reddish is just an embarrassment and moving him is probably more about saving face than getting real value.
To me, NY should try to cash in some of its picks and Rose for an upgrade somewhere. I like that they think highly of Bullock, but that is a secondary move. Their first priority should be Rose and kids and picks for something before the TDL. If that doesn’t materialize, then moving away from the LT (to avoid being hard-capped) would help them make deals this summer. I could see Reggie and expiring for Fournier and Kids making sense. Not sure if Powell for Hartenstein is that expiring or if LeVert makes more sense going to NY in a three team with Cleveland involving THJ.
Unfortunately, neither Powell nor LeVert is a great three-point shooter and NY needs shooting. If you do Powell/Reggie for Fournier/IH/Quickley, Dallas would need to add some salary. The more even financial move would be Powell/Reggie for Fournier/Sims/Quickley. NY gets useful-now Reggie for useful-later Sims/Quickley. Part of the compensation for that is Powell making the Fournier money disappear. Might not require picks. We would miss Powell a little in the near term, but Sims brings a similar game in a bigger body. As others have said, Quickley is that third ball-handling guard who defends well that we could really use.
I looked into an expanded NYK trade that had Bullock/DFS/Powell/Frank for Fournier/IQ/Hartenstein/Reddish/Toppin. They get playoff tested vets and completely shore up the 3 spot with DFS starting and backing up Randle then Bullock coming in behind DFS. My hope was that it took 1 FRP. My thought is it would take 2. I do it for 1, I don’t for 2.