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(01-17-2023, 10:16 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]
I wonder how those Minny and Utah trades start? LOL.

Probably like this.

Ainge: Who are you?
Conelly: Tim Connelly.
Ainge: Nope. Your face doesn´t look familiar. Turn around, bend over.
....
Ainge: Right, Tim. It´s you.

(01-17-2023, 12:56 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]I love OG but wouldn't make any trades involving picks that far out into the future when we can just wait until this offseason to trade earlier ones.

With this franchise I really don't value FRPs like I do young, proven, progressing, and on the cusp of their prime talent. With Luka you have to be all in every year.

(01-17-2023, 11:21 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Russell can also walk in the summer. Or Mavs can have the honor to overpay him due to the bird rights trap they are in. Not really a fan

Well, I agree you don't make the trade without a good idea of his willingness to re-sign and what that's going to cost.

But, he's a MUCH better player than Spencer Dinwiddie. I'd make the trade for Hardaway, too, only they appear to be searching for a PG. That probably means that Minnesota wouldn't accept a trade for Dinwiddie, since he's not a PG, but he's certainly the closest thing to it Dallas has to offer.

(01-17-2023, 10:38 AM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: [ -> ]Y'all like to argue details, trying to be "right" on the most insignificant points that have zero constructive purposes.

You can't project greatness from related ineptitude. For every Wood/DFS/Middleton/FVV there are thousands of Mo Agers. Just because some good players once sucked doesn't mean that all players who suck will be good. That's like saying all ducks are birds, therefor all birds are ducks. You're using the exception to prove a rule.

But, I'll play. 4th Year in the NBA...
Bitadze - 19gms, 10mins, 3.5pts, 2.3rbs, 0.5blk
Wood - 8gms, 23.6mins, 16.9pts, 7.9rbs, 1.3blk

Are we done here?

LOL. Did you really think I didn´t check Wood´s stats. I said same stage.

Is it the end of March yet? Cause that´s when Wood´s posted these numbers on a tanking Pelicans team that was looking for losses.

Why didn´t you post his 4th year pre-trade deadline numbers from the Bucks: 2.8 PPG, 0.5 RPG, 0.0 BPG.

Nobody said Bitadze will be a somebody. That´s what talent evaluation is for. I told you what I see. You can disagree, but just like me, you don´t know. That´s all.

I´d also rather have Myles Turner for Davis Bertans, but that´s not how this works, especially when you mess up your asset base like the Mavs do.

(01-17-2023, 10:16 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Notes from Shams:

Spurs would like Poetl to be a part of their future, but are balancing his upcoming price tag vs losing him for nothing. They have had his max extension (5 for 58) on the table since this summer. Rivale execs believe he will approach 20 million per year this summer. Toronto and Boston mentioned. Also said Josh Richardson and Doug McDermott will receive interest at the deadline as well.

Charlotte expected to be a seller at the trade deadline with Rozier, plumlee, Mcdaniels and Oubre mentioned.

His defense is anywhere close to his brother, he´s by far the most interesting name on that list. Given how sh*tty our center situation is Plumlee is probably the 2nd most interesting. I see they are both UFA this summer. That explains it.

Maybe there is a way to utilize the Pacers capspace:

To Mavs

Hayward
Plumlee
McDaniels

To Hornets

Bullock
Powell

To Pacers

THJ

Saves MJ a lot of next year, but I doubt THJ is the upgrade the Pacers have in mind with their capspace.

(01-17-2023, 01:01 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: [ -> ]With this franchise I really don't value FRPs like I do young, proven, progressing, and on the cusp of their prime talent. With Luka you have to be all in every year.

Trading away two picks that could end up being conveyed with Luka being on another franchise could mean a very very deep pit of despair for this fanbase for a very long time if things don't go well.

You have to be as all in as you can while being responsible with your assets. Luka is on contract for another three years after this one, this was always going to be a transition year the moment Brunson walked out the door.

(01-17-2023, 12:47 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: [ -> ]Toronto: 2FRPs, SRP, Hardy
Dallas: OG

This is pretty much my idea of what OG is worth, putting Bertans in as the salary ballast and doing the trade in the offseason when we can trade the 24 and 26. By that time, Bertans is essentially an expiring too. I also think Hardy will have more flashes of potential to excite Ujiri since it sounds like he's pretty high on OG. I imagine they would take a pick swap in 25 instead of the second, I'd prefer that myself as the 25 will most likely be higher than Tor's anyway, but pick swaps look to be more "value" in trades when higher profile guys are in the trade.

(01-17-2023, 12:47 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: [ -> ]Charlotte: SRP, DFS, Powell
Dallas: Rozier, PJ Washintong

I was going to suggest this change in your original post and don't believe the SRP is necessary. I think if DFS went on the block right now he'd garner a lot of interest. He could also be a really good vet presence for a young Cha team trying to find their place. This trade is obviously done now with the OG trade done in the offseason. We then still have 2 FRPs and THJ that we could shop for upgrades.

For the playoff push we look like:

Luka/Rozier/THJ/DFS/Wood
SD/Green/Bullock/PJ Wash/Maxi? or Powell

Next year we look like:

Luka/THJ trade target/Green/PJ Wash/Wood
SD/Rozier/Bullock/Maxi/Powell (on new vet min contract)

(01-17-2023, 01:07 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Well, I agree you don't make the trade without a good idea of his willingness to re-sign and what that's going to cost.

But, he's a MUCH better player than Spencer Dinwiddie. I'd make the trade for Hardaway, too, only they appear to be searching for a PG. That probably means that Minnesota wouldn't accept a trade for Dinwiddie, since he's not a PG, but he's certainly the closest thing to it Dallas has to offer.

I think you are overstating the difference between the two players, but if you can work something out with Russell you would have to pull the trigger. I doubt Minny does it though. My guess is any Russell for Conley trade would involve additional assets coming back to Minny.

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status...2461874176

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status...1836655653

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status...0210841611

https://twitter.com/HoopsRumors/status/1...4087276546

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status...fA_-osAAAA

Can we please get Deandre Ayton...

(01-17-2023, 03:27 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status...fA_-osAAAA

Can we please get Deandre Ayton...

Per Game Table
Player	Season	Age	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	2P	2PA	2P%	eFG%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
Deandre Ayton	2022-23	24	39	39	29.6	7.6	13.0	.584	0.2	0.6	.318	7.4	12.4	.596	.591	2.0	2.7	.733	2.8	6.9	9.7	2.1	0.5	0.7	2.1	2.8	17.3
Christian Wood	2022-23	27	41	16	28.9	6.7	12.4	.535	1.8	4.6	.383	4.9	7.9	.624	.606	3.2	4.3	.736	1.4	7.0	8.4	1.6	0.5	1.2	2.1	2.8	18.3

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Generated 1/17/2023.

(01-17-2023, 11:21 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Russell can also walk in the summer. Or Mavs can have the honor to overpay him due to the bird rights trap they are in. Not really a fan

Unlike some of these guys who are limited in their extensions, Russell makes so much money that he could be 'extended and traded' without worrying about the 120% cap. The other thing that might be advantageous about Russell vs. Dinwiddie is an extend and trade is limited to two additional seasons (the same window of time Dallas reportedly wants to offer Wood). We have to figure out what to do with SD a summer from this one and he's going to want to be carried through the point in time Dallas wants (or may want) cap space. The question is whether Russell would add two years in an extension prior to being traded or would he rather give it a go this summer and risk getting jobbed if money runs dry before he 'gets his'. The TWolves might also wait until the summer hoping to S&T Russell. But, man. They are just dead in terms of replacing him if he leaves.

I'm not a huge DR fan, and wouldn't make a deal with SD unless I had him locked up for two more years (instead of SD's one more year).

Secondly, I'm not doing this just to move deck chairs. I want Jaden McDaniels. He's the prize here. I might as well ask for Naz Reid while I'm at it since they probably won't keep him. Opening offer is SD, Reggie and McGee for Russell, McDaniels and Naz. They won't do it and would certainly ask for DFS instead of Reggie. I want to get younger and longer and better on D at PF and as good as DFS is, McDaniels is better (and even if you disagree, he will be better throughout Luka's prime). It would be a tough pill, but Russell is younger that SD, Naz is younger than McGee and McDaniels is younger than DFS. So, I'd strongly consider that.

(01-17-2023, 04:34 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]

Per Game Table
Player Season Age G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% eFG% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS

Deandre Ayton 2022-23 24 39 39 29.6 7.6 13.0 .584 0.2 0.6 .318 7.4 12.4 .596 .591 2.0 2.7 .733 2.8 6.9 9.7 2.1 0.5 0.7 2.1 2.8 17.3

Christian Wood 2022-23 27 41 16 28.9 6.7 12.4 .535 1.8 4.6 .383 4.9 7.9 .624 .606 3.2 4.3 .736 1.4 7.0 8.4 1.6 0.5 1.2 2.1 2.8 18.3

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Generated 1/17/2023.

That's a neat way to embed the stat table there, you got to show me how to do that.

So you're telling me their stats are almost identical? I give you that but raise you that Ayton has been a 1-5 defender his entire career and was the starter on a team that went to the Finals 2 years ago. Wood, while a superior offensive player, isn't in the same league there. That I think is the major difference between them. Ayton gives you surefire defense without losing much offense.

Mavs don't need* an offensive superstar at the 5. But they absolutely do need a guy that can protect the rim and catch lobs consistently and not be hunted off a switch. Ayton wouldn't catapult the Mavs into contention instantly, but a Luka+Ayton foundation absolutely would set them up WAY better long term than a Luka+Wood combo in my mind.

*While it'd be nice, I don't think it's a requirement.

Mavs get Westbrook, Taurean Prince, Pat Bev, Naz Reid, Lakers 2026 FRP Top 10 protected

Twolves get Dinwiddie, THJ

Lakers get D. Russell, C. Wood, Bertans, Hardy

The Mavs get almost a clean slate capwise, as all incoming players are expiring. Reid replaces Wood somewhat. Lakers give up little player assets and get two very good upgrades to the rotation and an up and comer in Hardy at the price of a future protected 1st and taking on Bertans.

(01-17-2023, 03:27 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status...fA_-osAAAA

Can we please get Deandre Ayton...

No we cannot. We simply do not have the assets. The only way we can improve this roster is by chipping away with many "smaller" moves we need to nail.

Trade 1:

To Dallas: Hayward + McDaniels
Hayward is not the actual prize here. He´s just a throw in, with health upside and a shorter contract than THJ. Dallas get a young prototypical 3&D wing.

To Charlotte: Levert + Powell
Full immediate cap relief and some re-trade value (immediately or summer S&T)

To Cleveland: THJ
They get a high percentage off ball shooter/bench scorer on a team full of playmakers (Garland, Mitchell, Rubio, Neto)

Trade 2:

To Dallas: Bitadze + Duarte
Dallas gets two young players with upside, that have shown glimpes, but clearly have a down year. Bitadze has health and anger management concerns. Duarte is just in his second season, but he´s already 25 year old and having an horrible season. 7 PPG, 33% from field, 26% from three.

To Atlanta: Bullock + J. Smith
Cost controlled roleplayers that can contribute right away. Cap management.

To Indiana: Collins
They get the best player in the deal.

Those are kind of realistic moves, so you end up with....

Doncic/Dinwiddie/Ntilikina
Green/Hardy/Duarte
McDaniels/Hayward/Lawson
DFS/Kleber/Bertans
Wood/Bitadze/McGee

(01-17-2023, 01:27 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]Trading away two picks that could end up being conveyed with Luka being on another franchise could mean a very very deep pit of despair for this fanbase for a very long time if things don't go well.

You have to be as all in as you can while being responsible with your assets. Luka is on contract for another three years after this one, this was always going to be a transition year the moment Brunson walked out the door.

I'm not understanding that. Wouldn't Luka be more about getting help ASAP? When you have Luka, there are no transition years. Look at the twilight of Dirk's years squandered away from 2011 to 2019. Eight freaking years of FO ineptitude.

This franchise has caught draft lightning in the bottle only twice in 30 years. You don't waste a single game with a Dirk/Luka player.

(01-17-2023, 05:21 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not understanding that. Wouldn't Luka be more about getting help ASAP? When you have Luka, there are no transition years. Look at the twilight of Dirk's years squandered away from 2011 to 2019. Eight freaking years of FO ineptitude.

This franchise has caught draft lightning in the bottle only twice in 30 years. You don't waste a single game with a Dirk/Luka player.

Would you agree that trading the 2027/2029 picks vs the 2024/2026 picks is wayyyyyyyyy more risky. There is no single move that makes this roster a contender so we need to make sure we don’t compound our roster asset mistakes by mortgaging far too far out into the future.

You do not want a situation where Luka is gone and you have no picks, trading picks this deadline opens that door up. I would argue that’s the ultimate form of FO ineptitude.

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