(02-01-2023, 11:37 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Don't you think that could possibly be trade related?
I think it's possible. For example, even though KP was often injured, he/Dallas really milked what seemed like a minor one leading up to the trade deadline. Other potential trade candidates like Anunoby are also nursing small injuries through next week. So there's just enough precedent to make you look twice at the injury reports this time of year.
That said, in this case I bet that Wood just needs his finger to heal. It was broken, after all.
(02-02-2023, 12:02 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Detroit theoretically made Bogdanovic more valuable by bringing him in cheap and extending him. Wood at 15/15.8 over the next two years would probably do that too…especially if the second year was TO or partially guaranteed like the Bojan deal. That doesn’t seem unfair for Wood. It is basically a 5% raise on the deal he agreed to 3 years ago. Has he really done anything to make himself more valuable since that deal? Houston would argue no after trying for months to get a deal for him.
Inflation has been at least 15% over those three years so a 5% raise is like a 10% cut. Wood isn’t going to agree to that for a two year deal. That’s just make believe. The Mavs knew what they were getting into when they traded for him. Nothing in this situation was a mystery or particularly complicated to game out. All of these decisions should have been made then. Let’s see how it plays out and whether they had a clue. I really don’t know at this point. It seems like they’re just winging it, losing ground on nearly every series of transactions they make.
Mavs need to offer his 4 year max. If he says no, trade him. It's quite simple. This 2 year nonsense is just the Mavs trying to be the smartest person in the room.
(02-02-2023, 12:54 AM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: [ -> ]Inflation has been at least 15% over those three years so a 5% raise is like a 10% cut. Wood isn’t going to agree to that for a two year deal. That’s just make believe. The Mavs knew what they were getting into when they traded for him. Nothing in this situation was a mystery or particularly complicated to game out. All of these decisions should have been made then. Let’s see how it plays out and whether they had a clue. I really don’t know at this point. It seems like they’re just winging it, losing ground on nearly every series of transactions they make.
I'm not totally with you on the idea that the Mavs already knew (or should have known) what to expect with Wood. I think there was always going to be plenty of iffiness about his fit, and about whether his skill set would be valuable on a team intent on winning, and winning big. But even in that context, I don't think it was an outrageous price to pay, to package 4 scrubs with a scrub pick and take a swing on a guy with good stats in the past.
But I certainly agree that Cuban's GM-ing and roster-building generally looks clueless, without a plan. It just doesn't seem to have any direction that would lead to the top. Within that wandering, he has far too many "own goals" in his lackluster roster building (shades of Sacramento!) that sets them even farther back.
In just the last 2 summers, both THJ and McGee were players who looked good in some ways, but awful decisions to put on this roster. A great GM would not have done that. I think both were given deals with the mindset that "if they don't work here, we will have an asset for a later trade, so how can we go wrong" which is an approach that rarely works out.
How will they ever get a better roster, with the same guy continuing to plan the strategy and call the shots?
(02-02-2023, 01:00 AM)BigDirk41 Wrote: [ -> ]Mavs need to offer his 4 year max. If he says no, trade him. It's quite simple. This 2 year nonsense is just the Mavs Cuban trying to be the smartest person in the room.
In this case, I don't think so -- the situation tells us it's keeping the door open to be able to trade him before the TDL if the right deal presents itself.
If they still have him after the TDL and don't do an extension shortly thereafter, then let the dogpile begin.
(02-02-2023, 01:21 AM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]In this case, I don't think so -- the situation tells us it's keeping the door open to be able to trade him before the TDL if the right deal presents itself.
If they still have him after the TDL and don't do an extension shortly thereafter, then let the dogpile begin.
I think we are late already. We can't really trade him, because we won't get any value and the later it gets, the better a contract you have to offer to make a sense for the player.
Not sure why Wood would sign anything that fits us after the TDL....
(02-01-2023, 11:29 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/KT_3410/status/1620997325480153088
Negotiations have started? Imo, it is a pretty easy negotiation. We are not negotiating a peace agreement. Don’t make it seem more difficult than it is. We know the #…it is just a-matter of years. I am sure conversations can be pretty quick.
(02-02-2023, 05:58 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Negotiations have started? Imo, it is a pretty easy negotiation. We are not negotiating a peace agreement. Don’t make it seem more difficult than it is. We know the #…it is just a-matter of years. I am sure conversations can be pretty quick.
Exactly. It's easy to get done.
It's just a case of Mavs waiting while they do their due diligence on trade possibilities, before giving him the longer deal that prohibits any trade. Wood's contract value won't change over the next 8-9 days while he's not even playing.
(02-02-2023, 05:42 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure why Wood would sign anything that fits us after the TDL....
So you are saying that Wood wants $___ today that he knows is the most the Mavs can offer in an extension, but a week later (during which he won't play any games) he won't be satisfied by being offered the very same amount? Unless he has some secret agenda to get out of here, that makes no sense to me.
(02-02-2023, 06:12 AM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]So you are saying that Wood wants $___ today that he knows is the most the Mavs can offer in an extension, but a week later (during which he won't play any games) he won't be satisfied by being offered the very same amount? Unless he has some secret agenda to get out of here, that makes no sense to me.
Wood might feel insulted Mavs are trying to see if there is anything better out there. Same way Brunson did. Wood might feel he could get more in FA, but is willing to take a bit of a paycut for a team that sees him as a cornerstone. Wood might value relationship highly and most important thing for him could be appreciation. I am not sure it is smart to take those risks unless you have something more or less lined up. All of it is just too much similar to Brunson situation for me to be comfortable.
Mavs message to Wood is totally the same as the message they gave to Brunson - you are ok, but we are not really sure if you are the right one.
(02-02-2023, 06:12 AM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]So you are saying that Wood wants $___ today that he knows is the most the Mavs can offer in an extension, but a week later (during which he won't play any games) he won't be satisfied by being offered the very same amount? Unless he has some secret agenda to get out of here, that makes no sense to me.
I said they should have given him the extension much earlier and to better terms for us.
If this thing drags further up, FA isn't far and he may test the waters. Which put us in a %€#@ situation again.
At this point a trade to where he doesn't want to be might be some leverage for us. At the TDL we are left to his mercy.
Omahen, I would expect Mavs already know the answer to the concerns you raise. We'll see.
But I can't forget that
(1) Brunson was NOT signable right before the TDL, so it's not apples to apples w Wood at this point (I'm not even buying JB would have signed an extension in January - I think that ship sailed very early in the season. There was basically no one in our conversations here in Nov 21 who thought he would be interested at that number, because his play had clearly surpassed that level by a lot)
(2) DFS did sign an extension in the manner exactly as I describe, and was happy to get it
Mapka, I don't think the numbers on the extension he would sign have changed in the last month. And before then, the limits were smaller than he was interested in considering, so there was no way to do a deal even if they wanted to.
(02-02-2023, 07:49 AM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]I would expect Mavs already know the answer to the concerns you raise. We'll see.
But I can't forget that
(1) Brunson was NOT signable right before the TDL, so it's not apples to apples w Wood at this point (I'm not even buying JB would have signed an extension in January - I think that ship sailed very early in the season. There was basically no one in our conversations here in Nov 21 who thought he would be interested at that number, because his play had clearly surpassed that level by a lot)
(2) DFS did sign an extension in the manner exactly as I describe, and was happy to get it
That's the point. If Wood comes back and plays great he might think he should get more.
We are more committed to him than he is to us. The chances that he isn't able to get 36/2 on the open market are slim.
I gave the Mavs the benefit of the doubt that they were doing the right things behind the scenes with Jalen last year. Well that bit me in the butt.
Maybe Wood doesn't want to sign the extension at this point. If that is the case, the Mavs need to know now what the market is and what they are willing to offer. Do they offer 4 year for 77 million this summer? Would they go up to 20 million in an open market? What about 22 million? Mavs need to know those answers now. If they want to resign him now but don't plan on going over 20 million this summer, they need to make some tough decisions.
Communication is key. I am sure dealing with agents is not fun, but still they need to have a good grasp all the way around on this situation. They have had a enough time to make an evaluation on Wood too. There were a lot of moving parts, but that is their job to get evaluations right of players on their team.
(02-02-2023, 08:05 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe Wood doesn't want to sign the extension at this point. If that is the case, the Mavs need to know now what the market is and what they are willing to offer. Do they offer 4 year for 77 million this summer? Would they go up to 20 million in an open market? What about 22 million? Mavs need to know those answers now. If they want to resign him now but don't plan on going over 20 million this summer, they need to make some tough decisions.
Worst case for Mavs is if Wood walks for nothing. Mavs are in bird rights trap, meaning player has huge negotiating power and any contract in such conditions is likely an overpay. Unless you send absolutely right messages all the time - good example is GSW and Wiggins. Did Mavs do their job with Wood? I don't think so.
So, if he doesn't want to resign, there are following options in the summer:
1. Wood plays bad, especially in the playoffs (assuming Mavs make it there). Would you even want to resign him then? In that case it would be better Mavs traded him at TDL
2. Wood plays really well and his market (and price) becomes high. Would you want to resign him under these conditions? Team is already expensive and getting out of tax seem to be a priority. There will always be a question mark if that kind of play is sustainable over next 4 years of his new contract. In that case it also seems better to trade him at TDL (its not like Mavs can be a contender this year anyway)
3. Wood plays approximately same way he has now. Good numbers, questionable defense and impact to winning. There are two possibilities in this case - he doesn't want to stay in Dallas at all (better to trade him now) or he is willing to consider Dallas among other options (lets say 50-50 chance he resigns).
Did I forget some other scenario?
Based on my scenarios, I have 2 scenarios where the best move is to trade him now and one scenario where 75 % of options are negative for Mavs. Based on this, I would trade him now for whatever I can get.
The “This League” pod with Stein and Haynes went through names today:
DFS: Mav’s are prepared to discuss DFS (which is a change). Stein doesn’t think Utah is breathlessly pursuing DFS and their reported ‘interest’ is overblown.
Bones: Haynes says there are issues between player and team. Bones wants a bigger role. One of the more likely players to move. Minnesota and Charlotte were names that were brought up….but probably not Minnesota out of spite over the Connelly departure from Denver to Minnesota
Thybulle: Sacramento has their eye on this. Other reporters have mentioned GS as well. Very polarizing player in Philly. Some love him and some think his lack of O is a killer.
Crowder: Milwaukee and Miami are interested, but Phoenix is holding out for more than is being offered with the belief he’s a player that is the final piece for a team. The bet is Milwaukee eventually getting this done.
Bojan: Arguably the best player who is ‘in play’ (assumes top Toronto players are not ‘in play’). Long list of teams that want him (including Dallas). One source tells Stein Detroit is serious about the hard line they’ve taken and is fine with not dealing him. Haynes thinks Detroit is “posturing”.
OG: Raptors are listening to proposals. NOP is definitely eyeing him. Haynes thinks there is a chance he’s moved. Until recently Haynes didn’t think he would be moved. Stein would have said no way on OG. Memphis and NOP are trying to “box out” each other as neither wants the other to get him.
Reddish: Stein says ‘he has to be traded’. He has 27 straight DNP-CD’s. He thinks one second and an expiring contract gets this done. Haynes says two teams…Cleveland and Dallas are in on this. Stein says ‘the Mav’s have tried’, but they don’t have the small-ish contract necessary. FO in NY isn’t all that interested in Reggie (coach maybe, but not Front Office).
One More Thing…. Will Barton is open to a change of scenery. Milwaukee and Brooklyn were named as interested parties.
So, the Mav mentions were DFS, Bojan and Reddish.
(02-02-2023, 08:58 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]The “This League” pod with Stein and Haynes went through names today:
Reddish: Stein says ‘he has to be traded’. He has 27 straight DNP-CD’s. He thinks one second and an expiring contract gets this done. Haynes says two teams…Cleveland and Dallas are in on this. Stein says ‘the Mav’s have tried’, but they don’t have the small-ish contract necessary. FO in NY isn’t all that interested in Reggie (coach maybe, but not Front Office).
I mentioned this yesterday, but one way to make salaries match for Reddish is to do him as a secondary deal after acquiring a TPE in another deal. The mention came in a Wood to Indy deal. Reggie would work also. His contract is a fit in SA and Indy’s space. OKC has TPE big enough to absorb Reggie as well.
An example of how this could work is Reggie for Duarte which would create enough room for Reddish to fit in the TPE such a deal would create. There are other mix and match possibilities, but that is a pretty good example of a fairly simple deal. Reggie for Duarte then use the TPE and a pick to grab Reddish.
(02-02-2023, 09:35 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]I mentioned this yesterday, but one way to make salaries match for Reddish is to do him as a secondary deal after acquiring a TPE in another deal. The mention came in a Wood to Indy deal. Reggie would work also. His contract is a fit in SA and Indy’s space. OKC has TPE big enough to absorb Reggie as well.
An example of how this could work is Reggie for Duarte which would create enough room for Reddish to fit in the TPE such a deal would create. There are other mix and match possibilities, but that is a pretty good example of a fairly simple deal. Reggie for Duarte then use the TPE and a pick to grab Reddish.
I am sure there are a ton of moving parts and a lot of misinformation, but I refuse to believe if the Mavs really wanted Reddish they could not find a way to find a cheap expiring contract to match Reddish. That is just competent GM work, right?
Reddish may be a better player in theory than he is actually is on the court. But I can make the case if he ever is going to have a fire lit under his butt, now is the time. There is no doubt he has been a failure in NY and the team is good. In ATL, they liked other players better but still got a first round pick and Reddish thought he would get a chance to play more. But his time in NY is no doubt a failure and I would like to see how he reacts to that failure.
(02-02-2023, 09:46 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]I am sure there are a ton of moving parts and a lot of misinformation, but I refuse to believe if the Mavs really wanted Reddish they could not find a way to find a cheap expiring contract to match Reddish. That is just competent GM work, right?
Reddish may be a better player in theory than he is actually is on the court. But I can make the case if he ever is going to have a fire lit under his butt, now is the time. There is no doubt he has been a failure in NY and the team is good. In ATL, they liked other players better but still got a first round pick and Reddish thought he would get a chance to play more. But his time in NY is no doubt a failure and I would like to see how he reacts to that failure.
Agree that it would be nice to see how he reacts to failure. Rui in a small sample is an example of how a player might react to a change of scenery. Don’t agree with it being a sign of an incompetent GM that this isn’t done (if the reporting that NY doesn’t want Bullock is true). IF they tried to do McGee for Reddish, NY would demand more than Dallas wants to pay. If we tried to get there using other contracts, those belong to guys we don’t want to trade. That leaves making Reddish part of a bigger deal with a third team and so far that deal hasn’t materialized. Doesn’t mean it won’t.