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Gafford was available basically for free a couple of years ago. Same as Hartenstein. Look for new Hartensteins and Gaffords, not waste assets on the ones that already got paid. Also, in the big picture of it, limitations of non shooting centers will always get exposed in playoffs. Just look how easily Mavs took away NY PnR by putting a wing (I think it was THJ) on Robinson. Mavs already have two non shooting centers on the roster, and both are overpaid. Absolutely no need for another. 

Besides, Gafford is owed almost 40 mil over next three years. Washington should be likely the one paying assets to get rid of his contract they don't need. 

Mavs need the 2-way wing, their own version of Jrue. They shouldn't waste any assets before they accomplish that goal.

(12-08-2022, 12:29 AM)SkenfromLMF Wrote: [ -> ]Pretty sure Gafford has to qualify as a BYC contract so it would be a bit more difficult than just a couple of million from DALLAS. 

Could from Dallas' perspective would McGee and Frank be enough to get him with another minimum type???

I think Wash would have to consider it, but would probably make a hard push for Hardy

TRICKY TRADE TO FASHION

1 For reasons outlined below, Mavs would not be including valuable player. prospect, or picks. Maybe the other way around, though.

2  Gafford would not be base year since there's no sign-and-trade involved. Nor is he poison pill. But his big raise presents a potential financial problem.
 
3  The bigger issue may be how much he's truly out of favor. That contract (total 4 yrs 40M) is nasty for a player averaging 13 mpg, and it's very possible WAS would be glad to give him away. The price in that case would be close to nothing. I bet Franky would be plenty, and perhaps Mavs would even net a 2nd rounder or two for eating 40M for them. Wiz.

4 However, the Mavs don't need to add a C, as they have too many already. The trade would thus obviously have to include McGee the C outgoing (offsetting some of that 40M). In theory, DG would be a better version of what Mavs want McGee to be (rim runner, defense) but way more expensive.

5 You also have to be careful to have the current salaries very close to even, as WAS is right at the tax line, and DAL is paying too much tax already - iow, no one will want to play for the privilege of getting a big salary bump.

With all that to consider, I don't find a feasible win-win trade that jumps off the page.

Since we still like to play fantasy managers, this is a trade I could consider. 

Was: THJ, Ntilikina
Dal: Barton, Hachimura, Gafford

It doesn't solve the problem of center log jam for Mavs, but Powell will be FA next year and might just released or traded at TDL. The only big wing Mavs have is Maxi and Hachimura would be a welcome addition to the mix. He is not a great defender, but he can score. I think he could fit well next to Wood, although Mavs really don't like puting Wood on centers. Barton is adequate replacement for THJ. Mavs get two younger guys which they desperately need as the roster is aging. 

From money perspective, we are dealing very similar amounts this season. Barton and Hachimura are expiring and since they will likely have to pay Kuzma (unless the plan is to trade him or let him walk), they will be facing lux tax for a very average team. THJs 18 mil in 23-24 is much less than combined Barton-Hachimura-Gafford would cost. Hachimura is a price because Mavs get them out of Gaffords contract and THj can be considered as better player than Barton. From Mavs perspective, the long term financial aspect is a bit worse. They would basically have to let Barton walk next season, unless there would be other cost saving deals. But just letting Barton walk would perhaps create some minutes for Hardy. Combined Gafford and Hachimura will cost more than THJ. Not needing to re-sign Powell (lets say his cost is 6 mil) would offset that raise a bit more, so the cumulative effect would be just a little bit additional money for Mavs in next season. Another downside is, that Mavs lose THJ contract, which could be used in a trade next season, as Mavs are not yet in a position to do the big move at TDL. 

Not ideal, but perhaps something that could be feasible.

(12-08-2022, 05:01 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Since we still like to play fantasy managers, this is a trade I could consider. 

Was: THJ, Ntilikina
Dal: Barton, Hachimura, Gafford

It doesn't solve the problem of center log jam for Mavs, but Powell will be FA next year and might just released or traded at TDL.

The only big wing Mavs have is Maxi and Hachimura would be a welcome addition to the mix. He is not a great defender, but he can score. I think he could fit well next to Wood, although Mavs really don't like puting Wood on centers.  

So, the solution to the center log jam is to release our starting center at the TDL?

And the solution to Rui's lack of defense is to pair him with Wood?

No Thanks.

Washington really is on the treadmill of mediocrity.  Currently slated to draft #8.  Their last four picks were #10/Johnny Davis, #15/Corey Kispert, #9/Deni Avdija and #9/Rui Hachimura.  They also used a premium pick at #31 on Isaiah Todd.  Avdija is the only one who starts and the only one who has played more minutes this season than Josh Green.  They have a high payroll and have to deal with the free agencies of Kuzma, Barton, Rui and the possible need to extend KP this summer.  What a mess.

I'm with FGump on this one.  I like the idea of swapping out Gafford for McGee, but I wouldn't pay to do it.  It is challenging to put together a deal that words financially without either a. making Washington a taxpayer or b. forcing one of their former lottery picks into the deal.  I suspect if they are trading Gafford and one of those guys that they'd want something more than our salary dump.  But other than Avdija, their younger guys are better names than players.

I feel like they probably wouldn't mind letting another team be the one that has to make the judgement on Rui's next contract.  I could see McGee/Player X for Gafford/Rui where Player X is better than Frank, but not as valuable as Green/Hardy.  In other words, Washington would do it if Green or Hardy were in the deal with McGee, but Dallas wouldn't.  Dallas would do the deal if Frank was added to McGee, but Washington probably wouldn't.  Rui is a Wasserman guy as is McGee.  Both could probably use a change of scenery.  Does another second rounder tip the scale?  If Rui was taken at #29 instead of #9 Washington probably wouldn't hesitate.  But, it is hard to trade former lottery guys without giving the fan base some idea that there is upside to the guy being acquired.  Unfortunately for Washington, Rui is probably more like Frank or Reddish than he is some up and coming star.  My interest in this is more about the McGee/Gafford swap than it is getting Rui.

(12-08-2022, 08:41 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]So, the solution to the center log jam is to release our starting center at the TDL?

Missunderstanding. I meant he would be released (not resigned) in the summer

(12-08-2022, 08:41 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Rui's

What can I say, I have always been a fan

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(12-08-2022, 08:41 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]And the solution to Rui's lack of defense is to pair him with Wood?

You can play Wood with Kleber and Rui with Gafford. Both pairs should work nicely in theory

If the Mavs were not such awful asset managers, then Gafford/Hachimura for McGee/Ntilikina/lottery protected 1st would be a trade I´d 100% be interested in. It´s actually one of those trades for which a front office would get praise in six months for making a sneaky (small) good move.

Unfortunately I don´t think the Mavs can do it due to their empty asset bank. And I doubt Washington is interested in giving Hachimura away, just cause it´s unlikely they´ll re-sign him.

I think Gafford might be getting just a bit overrated here (maybe not) but I think one of Hachimura or Kuzma is just what the doctor ordered and I be one of them is getting moved this year since they'll both need new deals soon.

What if the trade was Gafford/Kuzma for Wood/McGee ?

Doncic/Dinwiddie
Hardaway/Green
Finney-Smith/Bullock
Kuzma/Kleber
Gafford/Powell

(12-08-2022, 10:58 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I think Gafford might be getting just a bit overrated here (maybe not) but I think one of Hachimura or Kuzma is just what the doctor ordered and I be one of them is getting moved this year since they'll both need new deals soon.

I think Gafford AND Hacimura are a bit overrated here.  I feel Hachimura is very similar to a Cam Reddish or Kuminga where you look at them and think "man that guy looks like an unstoppable basketball player" then you watch them play and they just don't seem to have it.  If Hachimura was half the defender he looks like he could be I would be down but he just isn't (based on what I've seen).  The entire Wiz fanbase has been down on Gafford since he signed his new deal.

Kuzma though would be great here.

I wouldn’t think we would have anything of interest.  Wouldn’t give up an asset or Powell.  Doubt they would want the years on McGee contract.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/12/mavs...-noel.html

Is this the year of the center reunion?

(12-08-2022, 12:17 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn’t think we would have anything of interest.  Wouldn’t give up an asset or Powell.  Doubt they would want the years on McGee contract.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/12/mavs...-noel.html

If true, and they’re looking for another C. I’d prefer Gafford or Poeltl.

(12-08-2022, 11:59 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]Kuzma though would be great here.

I'll see your overrated comment and raise you: I think Gafford and Hachimura AND Kuzma are ALL overrated...but, Hachimura and Kuzma are the exact sort of player that this roster doesn't really have. That type that's sort of in-between DFS and Kleber, functionally. So, since WAS has two of them and I don't think they'll want to pay both, I feel like there's some opportunity to snag one. Not vouching for either as a definite score of an acquisition, although Kuzma's punchable face and personality have me preferring Hachimura.

(12-08-2022, 12:17 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn’t think we would have anything of interest.  Wouldn’t give up an asset or Powell.  Doubt they would want the years on McGee contract.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/12/mavs...-noel.html

I was the biggest fan of that acquisition when it first happened, but after watching how it played out...please, no. 

I guess it would take a year of McGee away from the books if he's included, so maybe under some very specific and favorable deal circumstances, including McGee being outgoing, but I would not be excited about Noel.

Assuming the reports out of LA were true about Kuzma having no issues standing up to LeBron...I would take Kuzma just to have someone yell at Luka for his stupid step back 3s every game and especially for coming across as entitled to shoot them at end of quarters.

Hate me.

(12-08-2022, 01:36 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I'll see your overrated comment and raise you: I think Gafford and Hachimura AND Kuzma are ALL overrated...but, Hachimura and Kuzma are the exact sort of player that this roster doesn't really have. That type that's sort of in-between DFS and Kleber, functionally. So, since WAS has two of them and I don't think they'll want to pay both, I feel like there's some opportunity to snag one. Not vouching for either as a definite score of an acquisition, although Kuzma's punchable face and personality have me preferring Hachimura.

I agree having that bigger version of DFS is definitely something that would be nice.  I guess I lean Kuzma because we're still kind of searching for a way we can generate offense from the wing and he has proven he can do that more than Rui although I do agree about his punchable face.

Kuzma would require some serious assets and he is not that kind of difference maker Mavs need. I am not sure what value Hachimura has. And I think there is more there than he has shown so far. He is still young.

(12-08-2022, 02:08 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Kuzma would require some serious assets and he is not that kind of difference maker Mavs need. I am not sure what value Hachimura has. And I think there is more there than he has shown so far. He is still young.

Hachimura would be a gamble, depending on the price, and there's certainly a price point that would be way too high for me to bite, but he's got the size and athletic ability to be a real connector here in a few different lineups.

(12-08-2022, 01:36 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I'll see your overrated comment and raise you: I think Gafford and Hachimura AND Kuzma are ALL overrated...but, Hachimura and Kuzma are the exact sort of player that this roster doesn't really have. That type that's sort of in-between DFS and Kleber, functionally. So, since WAS has two of them and I don't think they'll want to pay both, I feel like there's some opportunity to snag one. Not vouching for either as a definite score of an acquisition, although Kuzma's punchable face and personality have me preferring Hachimura.

McGee for Rui and Gafford where Washington surrenders 2 2nd rd picks and 2 2nd rd swaps; OR Washington pays a chunk of change to off-set...

I am not even going to keep projecting because I am afraid mark would choose the $$