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How are any of the trades using Wood or Din making us better?

Turner or Collins for Wood: I'd take Wood over either.

FVV or D'Angelo for Din: this is just swapping pieces.  I'll take Din.

(01-29-2023, 04:09 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: [ -> ]How are any of the trades using Wood or Din making us better?

Turner or Collins for Wood: I'd take Wood over either.

FVV or D'Angelo for Din: this is just swapping pieces.  I'll take Din.

Any trade involving Wood is a sign they have realized they screwed up with Brunson... so getting something rather than nothing makes them better in 23-24.

Might agree with you on Dinwiddie but... If summer of '24 is the FA bonanza then getting off that money is a sign of long term planning rather than reactionary fixes to roster building.

(01-29-2023, 04:32 PM)SkenfromLMF Wrote: [ -> ]Any trade involving Wood is a sign they have realized they screwed up with Brunson... so getting something rather than nothing makes them better in 23-24.

Might agree with you on Dinwiddie but... If summer of '24 is the FA bonanza then getting off that money is a sign of long term planning rather than reactionary fixes to roster building.

Well, agreed you get something out of Wood if you can't sign him, but WTF if we can't sign him?  Paying him the max allowed is still a bargain.

Ya, I trust cap space and FAs flocking here like I trust Trump to store my important documents.  When has dry powder and be FA signing EVER work here?

Again, look at Milwaukee...
Giannis - Drafted
Middleton - Trade from Heaven
Holiday - Great Trade
Lopez - FA Signing

You'll get Lopez like FA signings If you build an outstanding core of Luka (drafted), Wood (Trade from Heaven), and Din (great trade).  Add Green to that and you have this core:
Point - Luka, NEED
Guard - Dinwiddie, THJ
Guard - Green, Hardy
Forward - NEED, Maxi
Center - Wood, Powell

DFS, Frank, 2 FRPs for OG.

Bullock, 1 FRP for Quickley, Reddish, Sims

Point - Luka, Quickley
Guard - Din, THJ
Guard - Green, Hardy
Forward - OG, Maxi, Reddish
Center - Wood, Powell, Sims

I like these two trades better

(01-28-2023, 12:13 AM)SamStetz Wrote: [ -> ]Another idea worth exploring, see how interested the Bucks are in Timmy. He makes the exact same as Eric Gordon, so the same package being offered to Houston could work for Dallas. 

My guess is Allen/Hill/Nwora/Ibaka/4 seconds. You could let Milwaukee send us less seconds if needed, and send them Timmy/Frank. Pinson could be waived, or you could send Ibaka to a third team. Best part is that the above idea can still be integrated to swap McGee for Noel as long as it’s part of the same transaction. 

DAL: Allen/Hill/Nwora/Ibaka/Noel/2 or 3 seconds (waive Pinson or send Ibaka to 4th team)
MIL: THJ/Frank
DET: McGee and second rounder

Similar to the idea above, the Pelicans were at one point reportedly willing to pay 90m for THJ. This was before they traded for CJ, but maybe they would have interest in a Graham/Temple for THJ swap. They’d have to send draft picks, but you may be able to squeeze a first out of them. Trade also allows you to turn it into a 3 team deal to swap McGee for Noel. 

DAL: Graham/Temple/Noel/draft compensation 
NOP: THJ
DET: McGee/2nd

(01-29-2023, 05:53 PM)SamStetz Wrote: [ -> ]Similar to the idea above, the Pelicans were at one point reportedly willing to pay 90m for THJ. This was before they traded for CJ, but maybe they would have interest in a Graham/Temple for THJ swap. They’d have to send draft picks, but you may be able to squeeze a first out of them. Trade also allows you to turn it into a 3 team deal to swap McGee for Noel. 

DAL: Graham/Temple/Noel/draft compensation 
NOP: THJ
DET: McGee/2nd

What is the purpose of trading away THJ for nothing but $ relief?

(01-29-2023, 06:13 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: [ -> ]What is the purpose of trading away THJ for nothing but $ relief?

So we can pay better players like josh green and Christian wood

(01-29-2023, 08:39 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]So we can pay better players like josh green and Christian wood

That's a false dilema.  We can pay Green and Wood without getting rid of THJ.  I let Cuban worry about signing the checks.

(01-29-2023, 09:38 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: [ -> ]That's a false dilema.  We can pay Green and Wood without getting rid of THJ.  I let Cuban worry about signing the checks.

He refused to sign the check for Brunson. Seems like a pretty real dilemma to me.

(01-29-2023, 10:08 PM)loki Wrote: [ -> ]He refused to sign the check for Brunson. Seems like a pretty real dilemma to me.

If Cuban is not willing to pay for many mistakes of the past, Mavs have little chance to become a serious team, imho.

(01-29-2023, 10:08 PM)loki Wrote: [ -> ]He refused to sign the check for Brunson. Seems like a pretty real dilemma to me.

So we're going to arbitrarily choose who Cuban will and will not pay based upon Brunson signing with NYK without talking to the Mavs?  That's just plain foolish and mental masturbation.  You go down that road, you can't even discuss trades, including those you deem are just to save money.

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(01-29-2023, 10:11 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]If Cuban is not willing to pay for many mistakes of the past, Mavs have little chance to become a serious team, imho.

Precisely.  As a fan you can't go down that road, or choose not to be a fan of this franchise.

(01-29-2023, 10:11 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]If Cuban is not willing to pay for many mistakes of the past, Mavs have little chance to become a serious team, imho.

I don't disagree. It's wishful thinking though...Cuban hasn't been a big spender for a long time.

(01-29-2023, 10:43 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: [ -> ]So we're going to arbitrarily choose who Cuban will and will not pay based upon Brunson signing with NYK without talking to the Mavs?  That's just plain foolish and mental masturbation.  You go down that road, you can't even discuss trades, including those you deem are just to save money.

I'm not trying to tell you who Cuban will and will not pay with absolute certainty. I'm saying money is clearly a concern for him and we have to keep that in mind when talking about re-signing or extending guys like Green and Wood. I can't find it now, but there was a chart showing total money spent on payroll over the last 5 or so seasons. Dallas was dead last. Maybe Cuban would have made a competitive offer to Brunson if they weren't in luxury tax hell.

(01-29-2023, 11:27 PM)loki Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not trying to tell you who Cuban will and will not pay with absolute certainty. I'm saying money is clearly a concern for him and we have to keep that in mind when talking about re-signing or extending guys like Green and Wood. I can't find it now, but there was a chart showing total money spent on payroll over the last 5 or so seasons. Dallas was dead last. Maybe Cuban would have made a competitive offer to Brunson if they weren't in luxury tax hell.

I hear you, but it's impossible to predict, and hence not something a fan can do.  

As a fan, THJ is spent money.  So the focus should be either keeping him or upgrading him.

no one will attach assets to get THJ..unless you are getting Duncan Robinson back...I think the KP trade is recent enough to fool yourself like that.. saving money for the next low season has no benefit, it just makes us worse...in theory the plan is to be FA24 players... unfortunately we are 1.5/2 years away (if we do things right) from being relevant... Personally I would sink this season and keep the selection this year. ..in the Luka era we have been excellent in the draft.. Luka / Brunson (absolute steal 2 round).. Green (more than decent for a 1 afternoon).. Hardy (soon, but too talented for a 2)

(01-30-2023, 02:56 AM)Mikelorenzo Wrote: [ -> ]no one will attach assets to get THJ unless you are getting Duncan Robinson back

I tend to agree. He had a stretch when he was good this season, but unfortunately that was a while ago. I am not sure I want another one of bottom five bad contracts with several years remaining next to Bertans and McGee, even if we get a decent asset with it. The alternative could be the LeVert idea, but even in that case I think THJ has higher long term value for Mavs than LeVert. Long term value from the perspective of salary available for trades. LeVert will not change anything drastically for this team in this season and might be gone in the summer.

Once again, I have smoked crack.

In regard to Cuban spending i think we have to look at the bigger picture. Early in his time he was a big spender and it didn’t help all that much, but he did it. It was obviously not worth to spend big in Dirks later years or Lukas first years. We currently are top 10 this year and are a taxpayer with a ridiculous payroll for what the product actually is. Cuban more than anything loves to be right and has a lot of pride. The only Mavericks thing that matters is keeping Luka Doncic. We only have him guaranteed for 3 more years after this one. If we avoid the tax next season, we can re-sign Green and Hardy and whoever else in the following seasons and pay the tax and avoid the repeater penalties. This is his best path to keep Luka and avoid being an embarrassment to DFW

It’s strategically important for us to be under ~$165 million for next season specifically. We need to max out the talent under that number and Hardaway makes more sense than anybody to be dealt by any means necessary KP style 

In regard to salary matching in a big trade. 1) Dinwiddie and Bullock are better salary matching players for the next 2 trade cycles 2) Bertans and Mcgee leave us with contracts for matching down the road too……and we get all our picks in a few months

The only alternative to this plan is FA a year from July. We pay tax next season and go under and get a Sabonis. Anybody want to go back to plan powder?

Another factor in this is our RSN just went bankrupt and one of the mavs biggest revenue streams is in jeopardy. This is a business. That one thing is such a big deal it threatens to separate all major sports from cable television in a permanent way. Something like $8 billion in local sports rights payments are up in the air in a few months