(06-29-2022, 01:52 PM)nash_funk Wrote: [ -> ]Completely agree. When's the last time we had a 18/10 big?
It has been a while. But, their last attempt to get one was one of the worst disasters in franchise history, and one they're still paying for.
The reason counting stats like points/rebounds don't provide any real insight is that they don't address synergistic play style, role, etc. The
team's counting stats matter, but when individual players come in with the mindset that their job is to accrue them, cross-purposes can develop pretty quickly, as we've seen here in Dallas very recently.
If Wood
wants to play the way Dallas thinks will support and enhance Luka's game and their offensive approach, then he'll probably be a good get. Porzingis did not, and so this is far from a guarantee.
(06-29-2022, 01:44 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not sure I follow your point here, sorry.
If it's positive about DFS, a national treasure, then I of course agree.
We do not deserve DFS.
Point was regarding whether or not C Wood would accept a hypothetical mid-season extension offer. My only point was some people prefer the certainty of the extension (DFS). Not everyone chases unrestricted free agency.
(06-29-2022, 01:57 PM)Okstate819 Wrote: [ -> ]Point was regarding whether or not C Wood would accept a hypothetical mid-season extension offer. My only point was some people prefer the certainty of the extension (DFS). Not everyone chases unrestricted free agency.
In my opinion, Wood (who I'm ecstatic they added, don't get me wrong) is the exact type of player you don't extend. I obviously don't know him personally, but his history suggests that he's the exact type who slacks off once he gets his guaranteed money. For that reason, I believe that in his case, you want to extend the "contract year" version of him as long as possible, both to ensure you're getting his best and to extend your evaluation time of him as long as possible. This is the type of player who can wow you for three months and then seem totally disinterested in working for the fourth.
Regarding Wood:
I think there's a version of the future in which everything "clicks" for him here - he learns to be a professional, finally, feels like he's part of something and settles in to be a cornerstone piece. Talent wise, he's got it, and in theory his play style could be a perfect fit.
But that is far from a certainty.
I think the safest (and possibly best) route might be to capitalize on his contract year and move him at the deadline, as he could potentially be the most alluring piece by then that Dallas has had to dangle at TDL in years. Then, let someone else take the risk of giving him 4-5 guaranteed years. Kind of like the Knicks did to us with Porzingis.
At this point, I can see myself wanting to go either way, 50/50. I just want to throw that thinking out here now, because I think it might be the way this needs to play out.
(06-29-2022, 02:06 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Regarding Wood:
I think there's a version of the future in which everything "clicks" for him here - he learns to be a professional, finally, feels like he's part of something and settles in to be a cornerstone piece. Talent wise, he's got it, and in theory his play style could be a perfect fit.
But that is far from a certainty.
I think the safest (and possibly best) route might be to capitalize on his contract year and move him at the deadline, as he could potentially be the most alluring piece by then that Dallas has had to dangle at TDL in years. Then, let someone else take the risk of giving him 4-5 guaranteed years. Kind of like the Knicks did to us with Porzingis.
At this point, I can see myself wanting to go either way, 50/50. I just want to throw that thinking out here now, because I think it might be the way this needs to play out.
I think the best course is to hope for the former but be prepared emotionally for the latter.
Personally, I'm trying to not overthink CW. Just anticipate how he could/should/will fit with Luka and see how everything stands after the first third of the season, say January 1st, 2023. Ideally, everything is working, the team is winning games and Wood becomes a core part of the rotation and everyone forgets about the Brunson
mishegoss.
(06-29-2022, 02:31 PM)michaeltex Wrote: [ -> ]Personally, I'm trying to not overthink CW. Just anticipate how he could/should/will fit with Luka and see how everything stands after the first third of the season, say January 1st, 2023. Ideally, everything is working, the team is winning games and Wood becomes a core part of the rotation and everyone forgets about the Brunson mishegoss.
Given that neither the full complement of detailed, behind the scenes knowledge nor the power to make decisions about how to act are in our hands, I'd say this is the healthiest possible outlook. Kudos.
Nurkic just got $17M AAV. How Much does Christian Wood get next summer? Remember, the Mavs do not have cap space.
If you think he's "better" than Brunson, the number has to be at least $23M AAV, right? Is he worth that?
Stein is still reiterating the Mavs need a pathway to a "second star."
(06-29-2022, 02:43 PM)Fuerza1 Wrote: [ -> ]If you think he's "better" than Brunson, the number has to be at least $23M AAV, right? Is he worth that?
I think his talent might be worth that, but I'd sure feel a lot better about it if there weren't widely rumored character/work ethic red flags.
With Brunson, there is no doubt in my mind that he's going to kill himself trying to help his team win. I honestly think he has levels of growth left to go on the court, too.
(06-29-2022, 02:43 PM)Fuerza1 Wrote: [ -> ]Nurkic just got $17M AAV. How Much does Christian Wood get next summer? Remember, the Mavs do not have cap space.
If you think he's "better" than Brunson, the number has to be at least $23M AAV, right? Is he worth that?
Stein is still reiterating the Mavs need a pathway to a "second star."
Unfortunately, I see us being exactly where we are now, this time next year. Wood outplayed his extension price tag and now someone will "overpay" what MBT deems he's "worth". We'll all be left debating if/coulda/woulda.
(06-29-2022, 02:50 PM)Smitty Wrote: [ -> ]Unfortunately, I see us being exactly where we are now, this time next year. Wood outplayed his extension price tag and now someone will "overpay" what MBT deems he's "worth". We'll all be left debating if/coulda/woulda.
If Wood isn't re-signed, the Mavs would approximately have 5 roster spots to fill out with little to no wiggle room. The 2023 free agent class is atrocious.
Mavs would likely need: secondary playmaker, scorer, more 3/d talent, and frontcourt depth.
They'll probably get desperate and do something like trade all their 1st round picks for someone like Jimmy Butler.
(06-29-2022, 02:43 PM)Fuerza1 Wrote: [ -> ]Nurkic just got $17M AAV. How Much does Christian Wood get next summer? Remember, the Mavs do not have cap space.
If you think he's "better" than Brunson, the number has to be at least $23M AAV, right? Is he worth that?
Stein is still reiterating the Mavs need a pathway to a "second star."
That´s a huge number to be honest, because neither side had anywhere to go, if we are honest. Blazers couldn´t get a better center on the free agent market, but who was paying Nurkic more than the MLE? Also don´t even have a back-up C yet.
Guess the Blazers owner didn´t want to do his superstar dirty so he overpaid for a lack of better options.
That Nurkic number seems crazy. I continue to be way out of touch on player salaries.
What about Tobias Harris and Thybulle? What kind of package can we offer to take on that big contract?
So if Dallas really did like Trevor Keels in the draft, I wonder if anything is there? Could he sent back as a small consolation? I doubt it would happen but the news did come out the Mavs liked him around the time Dallas was finding out Jalen would not be back.
The Knicks are looking to move Fournier and Reddish for a DeJounte Murray pursuit. I'd take Reddish back real quick in a S & T
IF Dallas made a deal with Detroit that got them far enough under the apron to use the full MLE, who is the best player out there that is MLE realistic who also projects to make more than the TP-MLE.
I'll throw out TJ Warren as a possibility...
The 2020 version was pretty good. Plays both forward spots. But, he probably isn't getting more than the MLE from a cap room team. Is Indy paying him more than the MLE? Also, If Rick really does like Powell, it wouldn't have to be a MLE signing. We are now close enough to the Apron that we can probably send out Powell for a S&T Warren for just under Powell's money (so taking back less than we send) and end up below the apron.
(06-29-2022, 02:43 PM)Fuerza1 Wrote: [ -> ]Stein is still reiterating the Mavs need a pathway to a "second star."
They have cap availability to sign one emerging second star type to as much as a max deal, one just now entering his prime too! It's that Brunson guy from NY. Oh wait ....
(06-29-2022, 03:50 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]IF Dallas made a deal with Detroit that got them far enough under the apron to use the full MLE, who ....
Let me tease you a bit with a factoid.
If the Mavs are far enough under the apron to use the full MLE, the whole world changes. They are also able to consider big money free agents via SNT. And they would have a sizable TPE in pocket, too, created by whatever transaction got them such a huge payroll reduction -- or they could use the TPE immediately by rolling it into the same deal.
For example, using the idea of THJ to DET, and rolling that into the Brunson transaction--- if you tied a SNT into that deal, you can sign someone making almost 25M in 1st year salary. The world changes.
(06-29-2022, 03:06 PM)nash_funk Wrote: [ -> ]What about Tobias Harris and Thybulle? What kind of package can we offer to take on that big contract?
Ugh no on Harris. But Thybulle is enticing ...