I agree with your sentiment about using the end of bench and two ways wisely. Lamar Stevens is a starter and defensive bulldog glue guy for Cleveland; he went undrafted in 2020. Just load up on athletic wings that want to work, teach them the game and give them great shooting coaches and lots of reps from 3. You only need to find one Dodo, Strus or Stevens(or earlier Raja Bell or Bruce Bowen) every 10 years or so. McKinley Wright IV can’t even get burn here when we desperately need another PG. Load up on long athletic types between 6’5- 6’10 and get rid of the Wrights, Kemba Walkers and Dorseys of the world, unless you really mean to give them a chance to show what they’ve got.
(12-16-2022, 02:03 AM)MarkAguirreWrathofGod Wrote: [ -> ]Dorseys
He is the biggest mistery to me. Why would you sign a 26 year old guy to the 2-way contract and not play him? Its not like he will develop into much more than he is.
(12-16-2022, 02:38 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]He is the biggest mistery to me. Why would you sign a 26 year old guy to the 2-way contract and not play him? Its not like he will develop into much more than he is.
Wright is more of a mystery for me. But I agree both are sort of odd. I think both are proving they are two way worthy. I have no evidence to back this up, but I would like to think Dorsey was signed as insurance in case there was a Hardaway trade and Green and/or Hardy were not ready to fill in as a guy who could hit open shots.
Wright is in his third year in the G-league. I thought he was signed because they were going to keep the 15th spot open and he could be your emergency break glass if needed point guard. Since then, they have signed two small point guards for the last open roster spot. Did he get the spot because he was available and willing to sign? It just seems like very little creativity. Is there any hope he can earn a roster spot next year? Or is he Two way worthy and is a box to be checked off and now we can move onto other stuff type of move?
Maybe I am being too hard on them for some of this. I have looked at several Two way spots on other teams and several aren't very interesting. Although for a team who has not had draft assets, I was hoping for more creativity trying to uncover some diamonds in the rough. Although they appear not very interested in this part of roster development.
Good conversation but I'd take a slight step back. I've been thinking about Rick's doghouse and how critical I was of him and the MBT for it. Always acquiring players and then having them fall out of favor quickly. We always complained about Mark, Donnie and Cuban not being on the same page with player acquisitions. And from where I sit, it seems the Mark, Nico and Kidd era is actually worse.
Siakam and FVV radically transforms this team
(12-18-2022, 09:55 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Siakam and FVV radically transforms this team
They have so many pieces that would help this team. Two you mentioned. OG, Trent Jr., Boucher, Precious. Even role players like Birch or Porter Jr. (when healthy).
That's why it was exciting for about 5 minutes when we thought Porzingis was getting traded to the Raptors. They had pieces, but of course we couldn't pull it off.
Wood, Dinwiddie, Hardy and 2025 1st for Zach Lavine and Goran Dragic
Powell, Bullock and a 2027 1st for Myles Turner
Doncic
Lavine
Green
DFS
Turner
Maxi
THJ
Dragic
(12-20-2022, 03:41 PM)Okstate819 Wrote: [ -> ]Wood, Dinwiddie, Hardy and 2025 1st for Zach Lavine and Goran Dragic
Powell, Bullock and a 2027 1st for Myles Turner
Doncic
Lavine
Green
DFS
Turner
Maxi
THJ
Dragic
Lavine goes for
no less than 3 FRPs. Caruso and Pat Williams is who I target with that package.
(12-12-2022, 04:11 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]Collins is a winning player. This season he has the best on/off +6.9 of all the Hawks starters, despite having a down year shooting, because he works hard for the team. That shows a good character imho, despite being on the trade block for 12 months.
They probably have to trade him, cause they need to carve out more minutes for Hunter/Okongwu/Griffin with the pending huge extension for Hunter, too.
If all it takes is Wood/Bullock, I think you have to do it. If you can somehow get Bogdanovic for Dinwiddie or THJ, it´s high way robbery.
(12-20-2022, 03:47 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Lavine goes for no less than 3 FRPs. Caruso and Pat Williams is who I target with that package.
Disagree on this although I admit the Gobert trade throws everything off.
My thoughts on Lavine (and certainly Beal) is their will be some hesitancy from many teams due to 5 year huge deal deal he is under. A Dallas offer of Wood, Dinwiddie, Hardy and a 1st is at least as attractive as what LAL could put on the table IMO. Almost every time a trade goes down like this for a superstar it generally only teams he's made it clear he want to go to that are in the running. He wants to be in LA for sure. I think its likely he would welcome Dallas as well. Mia could be a factor. You can eliminate tanking teams, small markets or teams that are in win now mode and don't want to mess up chemistry. List gets pretty small.
As with anything its super unlikely but imo he would close to ideal playing off Luka. At least offensively.
(12-20-2022, 04:39 PM)Okstate819 Wrote: [ -> ]Disagree on this although I admit the Gobert trade throws everything off.
My thoughts on Lavine (and certainly Beal) is their will be some hesitancy from many teams due to 5 year huge deal deal he is under. A Dallas offer of Wood, Dinwiddie, Hardy and a 1st is at least as attractive as what LAL could put on the table IMO. Almost every time a trade goes down like this for a superstar it generally only teams he's made it clear he want to go to that are in the running. He wants to be in LA for sure. I think its likely he would welcome Dallas as well. Mia could be a factor. You can eliminate tanking teams, small markets or teams that are in win now mode and don't want to mess up chemistry. List gets pretty small.
As with anything its super unlikely but imo he would close to ideal playing off Luka. At least offensively.
After NYK missed on Mitchell, Lavine would be a prime candidate for a package Chi would want. Only takes 1.
How about a teardown?
THJ, Bertans, DFS, McGee for Love, Levert, Osman, Lopez.
Wood, Bullock for Collins.
Luka/Dinwiddie
Levert/Hardy
Green/Osman
Collins/Love
Powell/Lopez
Cavs could be open to it, receiving a starter and a 6th man to try and win the East while eating future salary.
Am I crazy to think we'd be a better team?
We'd have about 25M to spend if I'm not correct.
Keith Smith at Spotrac has an occasional series called "Next Contract" where he talks through interesting cases. Often there is something about their situation that makes for a challenging situation either for their team or for the player. Profiles have included:
Jaylen Brown (no way he signs an extension, so he'll hit the UFA market)
Siakam (He has all sorts of options for big money as he's been All-NBA twice)
Turner (Is eligible for a rare 'renegotiate and trade' deal since Indy has cap room)
Other write-ups include Naz Reid and Jaylen Nowell, Jerami Grant and Kyle Kuzma
The Turner thing is fascinating. Note that he's no longer with Duffy, but changed to CAA. Reading these, you start to understand why Siakam and Kuzma might be on the trade market as their teams might not value them the same way they value themselves. He also writes about my guy Poeltl. Smith thinks Poeltl will make more than he's eligible to extend for with SA (and certainly more than he can extend and trade for). So, he'll probably wait until the summer to do anything. His UFA status would reduce the value of a trade for SA. Below are Smith's comps and where he thinks Poeltl will land financially this summer:
That leaves us to finding recent comps to work off of. We already said that the $14.5 million per year that Poeltl could make via the Dinwiddie Extension seems a bit low. So, let’s look at the next few players on the highest paid centers list.
- Jarrett Allen - $20 million AAV
- Myles Turner - $18 million AAV
- Jusuf Nurkic - $17.5 million AAV
- Steven Adams - $17.5 million AAV (note: this is Adams’ current deal, not his recent extension)
- Jonas Valanciunas - $15 million AAV
- Mitchell Robinson - $15 million AAV
That’s not a bad list of comps for Poeltl. He’s younger than a few of those players, older than a few others, but in range with all of them age-wise. Production-wise, Poeltl is a better defender than most of the list. He’s a better rebounder the, or on par with, the entire list. Offensively, Poeltl is probably the equal to all but Myles Turner (his shooting ability sets him apart) and Jusuf Nurkic (the best all-around player of this bunch).
Now, we have our comp list and their average salaries on their current deals. If we factor in a slight upward-ness in salary, because the cap is climbing, we can land at a what seems like a fair value for Poeltl of about $18 million AAV.
One last thing to note, Mitchell Robinson’s contract is frontloaded and descends year over year. That could be a smart structure for the Spurs to take if they re-sign Poeltl. They won’t likely need the extra cap space in the next year or two, but could down the line. And having Poeltl on a lower number in the further out season will keep him a very tradable asset.
A reasonable middle ground deal could look something like this for Poeltl:
- 2023-24: $20,500,000
- 2024-25: $18,860,000
- 2025-26: $17,220,000
- 2026-27: $15,580,000
- Total: four years, $72,160,000
That would be a max decline of 8% from year-to-year over the life of the deal, while hitting almost exactly at $18 million AAV.
SUMMARY
It doesn’t really make sense for Jakob Poeltl to sign a Dinwiddie Extension right now. He’d likely be leaving money on the table. If the San Antonio Spurs could get him to ink that sort of extension, that would be a major win for them.
Instead, it makes sense for both sides to let things play out. If the Spurs want to go full cap space, they can just let Poeltl leave this summer. If they see him as a part of the future, they can still beat any offer that any other team can offer him. And, they can do so while keeping Poeltl on a still-tradable contract too.
Rim protectors that can rebound and aren’t a complete zero on offense, are very valuable players. Poeltl is set to be one of the better free agents available this summer, in addition to being one of the top available centers. That’s going to get Poeltl paid, whether by the Spurs or someone else.
(12-18-2022, 09:04 PM)Jym Wrote: [ -> ]wish we had more picks open
Siakam can basically switch out on anyone, handle the ball, shoot the 3 a little bit.
what's not to love?
We technically do have picks it's just that trading them now means we're going out into drafts past Luka's current contract. I've been thinking more about this and maybe that's ok if you take into consideration the fact that if Luka is leaving it's most likely in the last year of that deal via a trade that gets us a ton of firsts back. The one team I'd unload our firsts for currently is Toronto, they have so many pieces that could help right now.
Please no on Lavine, I used to be so high on pairing him here with Luka but that dude looks selfish as hell right now and has never played defense in his life.
(12-20-2022, 09:13 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status...3046283267
R J Hampton is another player who recently changed agents going with CAA (I guess people took note of what they did for Brunson). Orlando didn't pick up his option, so he's not going to draw much interest from anyone. Would you rather take your chances on Frank or Hampton? Would anyone value Bamba/Hampton enough to do Powell/Hardy?
Jake Fischer, who was probably more accurate than anyone prior to the 2021 TDL has an interesting article at his new home at Yahoo Sports featuring Orlando. Man, they've done a nice job of turning things around.
https://sports.yahoo.com/surprising-magi...20046.html
(12-21-2022, 09:18 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]Please no on Lavine, I used to be so high on pairing him here with Luka but that dude looks selfish as hell right now and has never played defense in his life.
I second this motion.