(01-20-2023, 03:07 PM)SkenfromLMF Wrote: [ -> ]I would think that package MIGHT net you Siakam (might even get to keep DFS) but the price on Anunoby is almost 75% of that package: DFS; 2 FR picks and 2 seconds.
Toronto SHOULD not want to do a package deal. Those are the best 2 assets they have and rebuilding around OG lessens the long-term impact of that.
Of course if a team is tearing it all the way down, they are more valuable in return separately than in a package.
The only way they should do a package is IF FVV is perceived as negative value and that can be diminished by packaging his contract with OG/Siakam and still getting the premium price.
That said, at this point IF Dallas could swing a deal that landed Siakam and FVV and added them to a team with Luka and C-Wood extended...
Fred is not a negative asset. If they are moving him they would be looking for a first. A Fred for Din trade would require us to add something. I don't know why Toronto does that otherwise.
A trade involving Siakam would have to be in the offseason. We don't have the assets to pull that trigger now. I would like to avoid putting both Hardy and Green in that deal if at all possible. Trading all of our assets and young players for a 29 year old non superstar seems like a desperate move.
(01-20-2023, 02:57 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: [ -> ]To have Siakom and OG, I would gladly be in the situation you outline.
This was the same thinking for the Porzingis trade from the front office that we've all been bashing...
You're talking about two guys that I would absolutely love to target but it's very fair to point out that you're talking about a path of no return and we can wind back up complaining about how there's no way to change the roster if it doesn't work.
(01-20-2023, 04:03 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status...3954929664
We know Bucks wanted McGee. Ibaka + Salary Match (Hill?) for McGee + SRP?
I was thinking the same thing when I saw this, wonder if the Bucks would still be interested after seeing...whatever it is we've watched this season.
I don't know what the Bucks are thinking about Nwora vs Hill but I would assume they'd try to be moving Nwora as the salary match if they're done with him since he has guaranteed money next season.
(01-20-2023, 04:44 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]I was thinking the same thing when I saw this, wonder if the Bucks would still be interested after seeing...whatever it is we've watched this season.
I don't know what the Bucks are thinking about Nwora vs Hill but I would assume they'd try to be moving Nwora as the salary match if they're done with him since he has guaranteed money next season.
Nwora is a very underrated player imho. If he was available for something even remotely close to Joel, I´d be all over that. He doesn´t fit the Bucks timeline, but he´s a baller. Already a 38% career 3pt shooter in the NBA and his performances for Nigeria suggest there is more potential. 22/5 in the Olympics on 50% shooting, 48% from three.
I don´t believe the Bucks want trash McGee now. I even question whether the reports were accurate to begin with. If I had just given McGee a three year contract, while superior young players sign minimum contracts and superior older players are out of the league, I´d also look for some justification for my stupidity: Oh the Bucks wanted him.
If they turn McGee´s dumb contract into Ibaka/Nwora, I bow down in front of the altar of Nico.
https://theathletic.com/4108014/2023/01/...urce=nbatw
Not sure if this was posted yet. Very interesting excerpt:
Quote:One of these two players are probably moving: Gary Trent Jr., Fred VanVleet.
After a few years of developmental struggles, the Raptors need more contributors on lighter contracts. Trading Trent Jr. or VanVleet is the easiest way to acquire those pieces. I’ve already written about how complex the VanVleet situation is; for that reason, I have Trent as the more likely player to move, although it could be closer than some might think.
FVV would make a lot of sense here. Trent Jr. is very similar to THJ. Both are looking for massive paydays this offseason. FVV is the closest Brunson replacement the Mavs can find right now as well (and they'd ironically probably pay him more than Brunson this offseason).
Raptors make too much sense for the Mavs. They have a star wing player who'd fit perfectly, a sub-star wing who'd also fit perfectly, and several key role guys the Mavs have been looking for.
I wonder if there is a 3 team trade available here. One where NYK can get involved to remove the protections on the 2023 pick, and allows the Mavs to throw the farm at Pascal.
I played around in the trade machine for about 10 minutes and came up with something like:
Dallas gets: Siakam+FVV+Rose
Raptors gets: Powell+Quickly+Reddish+THJ+Bertans+Frank (And Mavs picks 25+27+29).
NYK gets: Gary Trent Jr. +Bullock+give up 2023 protections
Raptors get their 3 firsts for Siakam. They get their mix of young talent in Quickly and Reddish. They get an expiring in Powell and Frank. They also add some shooting wings to replace GTJr in THJ+Bertans. They also reduce their payroll by 17 mil. Mavs add on about 12 mil in payroll and will pay a tax hit of ~72 million. That alone makes this deal unlikely but puts them right in line with a team like the Bucks. \]
Knicks also find a way to turn Rose+Reddish+Quickly (all guys who've they've floated in trades since last year) into 2 wings that Thibs would love.
It's a blockbuster deal and highly unrealistic. But I got my head in the clouds right now.
Luka/Rose/Hardy
FVV/Dinwiddie
DFS/Green
Siakam/Kleber
Wood/McGee
Pretty much makes this team an instant contender overnight.
(01-20-2023, 02:57 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: [ -> ]To have Siakom and OG, I would gladly be in the situation you outline. This is an insane starting lineup. Dallas needs to become a FA destination. That lineup would attract many free agents willing to sign for less.
Luka
THJ
OG
Siakom
Wood
Then something with NYK surrounding Bullock for Reddish/Quickly
Luka, Quickly
THJ, Frank
OG, Reddish
Siakom, Maxi
Wood, Powell
Shipped to Island of Misfit Toys: Bertans, McGee
Right. If we could get LeBron, Anthony Davis, and Russell Westbrook, it doesn't really matter about the other guys on the roster because they would be so good that they'd always win, and this board would have nothing to complain about.
Right.
(01-20-2023, 05:04 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]Nwora is a very underrated player imho. If he was available for something even remotely close to Joel, I´d be all over that. He doesn´t fit the Bucks timeline, but he´s a baller. Already a 38% career 3pt shooter in the NBA and his performances for Nigeria suggest there is more potential. 22/5 in the Olympics on 50% shooting, 48% from three.
I don´t believe the Bucks want trash McGee now. I even question whether the reports were accurate to begin with. If I had just given McGee a three year contract, while superior young players sign minimum contracts and superior older players are out of the league, I´d also look for some justification for my stupidity: Oh the Bucks wanted him.
If they turn McGee´s dumb contract into Ibaka/Nwora, I bow down in front of the altar of Nico.
I'm with you on Nwora, I've seen Bucks fans trash him but every time I watch him it feels like he has plenty to offer so I don't really get it.
(01-20-2023, 06:23 PM)DallasMaverick Wrote: [ -> ]Right. If we could get LeBron, Anthony Davis, and Russell Westbrook, it doesn't really matter about the other guys on the roster because they would be so good that they'd always win, and this board would have nothing to complain about.
Right.
even with the poor spacing that would have been elite back a few years ago
(01-20-2023, 06:17 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]https://theathletic.com/4108014/2023/01/...urce=nbatw
Not sure if this was posted yet. Very interesting excerpt:
FVV would make a lot of sense here. Trent Jr. is very similar to THJ. Both are looking for massive paydays this offseason. FVV is the closest Brunson replacement the Mavs can find right now as well (and they'd ironically probably pay him more than Brunson this offseason).
Raptors make too much sense for the Mavs. They have a star wing player who'd fit perfectly, a sub-star wing who'd also fit perfectly, and several key role guys the Mavs have been looking for.
I wonder if there is a 3 team trade available here. One where NYK can get involved to remove the protections on the 2023 pick, and allows the Mavs to throw the farm at Pascal.
I played around in the trade machine for about 10 minutes and came up with something like:
Dallas gets: Siakam+FVV+Rose
Raptors gets: Powell+Quickly+Reddish+THJ+Bertans+Frank (And Mavs picks 25+27+29).
NYK gets: Gary Trent Jr. +Bullock+give up 2023 protections
Raptors get their 3 firsts for Siakam. They get their mix of young talent in Quickly and Reddish. They get an expiring in Powell and Frank. They also add some shooting wings to replace GTJr in THJ+Bertans. They also reduce their payroll by 17 mil. Mavs add on about 12 mil in payroll and will pay a tax hit of ~72 million. That alone makes this deal unlikely but puts them right in line with a team like the Bucks. \]
Knicks also find a way to turn Rose+Reddish+Quickly (all guys who've they've floated in trades since last year) into 2 wings that Thibs would love.
It's a blockbuster deal and highly unrealistic. But I got my head in the clouds right now.
Luka/Rose/Hardy
FVV/Dinwiddie
DFS/Green
Siakam/Kleber
Wood/McGee
Pretty much makes this team an instant contender overnight.
That is not nearly enough for Toronto. They would be looking for 5 or 6 firsts for neutral contracts and you are dumping Bertans on them.
If you replaced Bertans with SD and added Green and Hardy plus pick swaps it still is probably not enough.
(01-21-2023, 02:16 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/_TradeDeadline/statu...2051763201
Spending this much money on this skill set is just bad roster management. He will be another guy like Adams and Zubac and Gobert who look like a key piece for 82 games then instantly loses minutes/impact in the playoffs when teams pull him 30 feet away from the rim.
OG is also the same height but bigger than DFS, 220 for DFS vs 232 for OG. If DFS position is best in the PF spot, there’s no reason to think OG couldn’t improve making that move too. Moving DFS as value to the Raps (so we don’t have to give up 3 FRPs worth of value up) or value to another team that gives up the FRP value to the Raps is another way of thinking about this.
I feel the bind with league movement stems from the play in. There will almost always been more buyers than sellers now which makes it very hard to acquire players. And even tanking teams put too big of a price on any meaningful talent upgrades.
The fact that Crowder still hasn't been traded is a big sign of this.
The only semi-encouraging rumor was the raptors lowering the demand to 1 first for OG, and I'm not sure I even believe that.
I know deadlines make deals, but teams are going to have to be more reasonable. I can't see any team giving up 2 firsts for Poetl. That's just nuts and SA really isn't in the driver's seat for that with his impending FA.
(01-21-2023, 05:16 PM)Moviemavguy Wrote: [ -> ]The fact that Crowder still hasn't been traded is a big sign of this.
That was such a bad play on his part. He potentially held his way out of the league. Even KD with way more leverage came back to the team
(01-21-2023, 03:13 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status...0686693376
"The Charlotte Hornets are prepared to take calls on Gordon Hayward"
This made me chuckle, envisioning Hornets FO all huddled around a phone, waiting desperately for someone to call with a desire to trade for Hayward. And waiting. And waiting. And ...