Bullock, Frank, 27 and 29 2nds, and release protections on our pick. Get back Quickly and Hartenstein. That’s my best offer
(01-27-2023, 03:24 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Well, it would take the team from 0 true PG's to 1. Or, 2, if you consider Luka a PG, which is certainly something that flies.
I think adding Quickley to the bench would be a positive move, depending on what they'd have to give up, but I have no idea why people think NY wants to trade him. Even if they have decided he's not in their future (which we don't know) it seems like they'd want to throw him as a fairly attractive sweetener in a package with Toppin and some 1sts for the next star they go after.
The reason we're talking about FVV and Russell is that both players are very likely to be moved at the deadline.
This is also why I go wide and include Dinwiddie in my NYK trade. He already has proven to work well alongside JB, a 3 man playoff rotation of JB/Barrett/SD (with Grimes getting 9th man playoff minutes) is pretty perfect for them. Add in DFS and Bullock where DFS starts at the 3 and is the 4 behind Randle and that is the defense that I’m sure Thibs would love to work with. Powell is another bench big that spells Mitchell (but not too much cause Randle is a really good option for playoff C). JB/Barrett/Bullock/DFS/Randle could do some damage IMO.
(01-27-2023, 03:29 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]Bullock, Frank, 27 and 29 2nds, and release protections on our pick. Get back Quickly and Hartenstein. That’s my best offer
Why would NY do that? They are arguably giving up 2 best (by far) players for 2 SRP. Quickley is on his rookie deal for another season and was scoring like 20 ppg while Barret was out. NY will never consider moving Quickley without serious assets. As someone else said - he is a nice asset to be thrown in the superstar trade. Not a guy you give up for Bullock...
(01-27-2023, 01:41 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I would be more than happy adding quickley, and if we could work out some kind of Bullock for Quickley I would be very happy. I have no interest in Reddish, but I would take him as salary filler in that deal.
I'm in complete agreement. I'll take knowing how Din fits over not knowing how D'Angelo and Fred fit. Quickley is the perfect backup and a young PG to eventually take Din's place.
Bullock
2 SRPs
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Quickley
Reddish
Grimes
DFS
Frank
2 FRPs
for
OG
Point - Luka, Quickley
Guard - Din, THJ
Guard - Green, Grimes, Hardy
Forward - OG, Maxi, Reddish
Center - Wood, Powell
(01-27-2023, 03:34 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Why would NY do that? They are arguably giving up 2 best (by far) players for 2 SRP. Quickley is on his rookie deal for another season and was scoring like 20 ppg while Barret was out. NY will never consider moving Quickley without serious assets. As someone else said - he is a nice asset to be thrown in the superstar trade. Not a guy you give up for Bullock...
I agree, both with the idea that we shouldn't add more than 2 seconds to Bullock and that NY wouldn't accept less than a FRP.
I think that if NY really wants Bullock as much as some of the rumors say then we have a little bit of leverage but not as far as getting Quickley without adding a FRP. I think that leverage should be turned into offloading McGee if at all possible. I definitely like the idea of Bullock/McGee for Rose/Sims (who I think is a more interesting prospect than Reddish). You now have Luka/Dinwiddie/Rose/Hardy all under contract next year to figure out ball handling duties, got out from McGee's contract, create a larger role for Green and take a flier on a guy that I personally think would do really well here on both sides of the ball. You're also increasing your amount of expiring contract next year by a few million with Rose over Bullock.
It's not as aspirational as getting someone like Quickley but feels a little more realistic.
I wonder if Charlotte will move Mason Plumlee? He is a FA expiring and is having a sneaky good season. I wonder what type of contract he will get this offseason. He would sort of be what we were hoping to get with McGee. Sort of a bigger Dwight Powell.
12 pts, 10 rebounds, 3.6 assists per game.
(01-27-2023, 04:07 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]if NY really wants Bullock as much as some of the rumors say
Yeah, if NYK covets RB, then RB for Quickley should be the baseline. If they don't, then walk away. Pretty simple to me.
(01-27-2023, 04:11 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, if NYK covets RB, then RB for Quickley should be the baseline. If they don't, then walk away. Pretty simple to me.
Why? There's nothing else on that roster that entices you? We just hold onto Bullock for another season and try to shop him again next season despite a high likelihood of his game getting even worse and having no value?
(01-27-2023, 04:18 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]Why? There's nothing else on that roster that entices you? We just hold onto Bullock for another season and try to shop him again next season despite a high likelihood of his game getting even worse and having no value?
I was speaking about the idea of having to pay a 1st AND RB for Quickley. No chance. I am not saying I would ONLY trade RB for Quickley. I just don't think Quickley to NYK is worth that much more (if any) than RB.
(01-27-2023, 04:30 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I was speaking about the idea of having to pay a 1st AND RB for Quickley. No chance. I am not saying I would ONLY trade RB for Quickley. I just don't think Quickley to NYK is worth that much more (if any) than RB.
Ohhhh ok that makes more sense.
(01-27-2023, 04:30 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I was speaking about the idea of having to pay a 1st AND RB for Quickley. No chance. I am not saying I would ONLY trade RB for Quickley. I just don't think Quickley to NYK is worth that much more (if any) than RB.
What part of RB’s game this year makes you say this? With the wsy he has played this year, we should be counting our lucky stars that someone sees something in him.
(01-27-2023, 03:20 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]So why do we want him then? A guy not worth a first is not really good
I guess it depends on what is considered worth a first and what do we really need. Quickley is rotational player for them, but not a starter. He may have scored 20 points a game in 8 games as a starter, but on the season he is sitting around 12 and that is what he has been every season so far. Is that somebody that generally nets a first? Do MLE guys get firsts (this is a legit question). Would a guy that could get us 25 minutes of point of attack defense with playmaking and decent shooting be helpful to this team? I would say very much so.
This is going to be long winded, but here is how I see this team currently constructed:
Rim running switching center: Wood/Powell
Big 3&D with focus on D: DFS/Maxi
3&D with focus on the 3: Timmy/Bullock
POA defender/secondary playmaker: Green/Frank
Primary Creator: Luka/Din
There are a lot of weak links there, but the weakest is probably Frank. Switching Quickley in there would be a significant bump.
Respectfully, I think those saying Reddish-Bullock doesn't work have bad info (when I used their sites, both ESPN and fanspo approved the trade) or are looking at the wrong numbers/rules.
Dallas - trades Bullock (about 10M) and gets back Reddish (about 6M). No problem.
NY - trades Reddish (about 6M) and gets back Bullock (about 10M). Is that a problem? It fits in the 1.75x framework when trading away a player making less than 6.533M, if it qualifies.
To qualify? Teams who are not taxpayers are given 1.75x in taking back players in the same trade -- provided that at the end of the trade, they are still not taxpayers.
NY (per both ESPN and Spotrac) has a team salary of ~142.6M, which is ~7.5M below the tax line. So they will remain not taxpayers and can use the 1.75x as long as they don't increase their team salary in that trade by more than ~7.5M. In this case, it's an increase of ~4M, so no problem.
So NY can use the 1.75x in salary matching, which would allow them to swap Reddish for Bullock in a one-for-one, if they wish.
It's a CBA-legal trade. Whether it's a good trade for DAL is a different issue, of course.