(11-03-2022, 12:34 PM)SkenfromLMF Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know that I am sold on the idea of dumping THJ (yet)...
but IF there was a trade that moved THJ, Bertans AND McGee you would probably consolidate those salaries and be better off.
I would be in favor of a deal that packaged those 3 for Curry and Simmons which would increase payroll about $3 million this year.
I'd like to see Dallas get a 2nd rd pick in the deal for the added salary commitment though NJ might feel Curry is too much given the other way.
You could throw Green into the trade and our payroll wouldn't increase at all. And why not, its not like Green would play again after that trade
At this rate we should hold out and trade for KD. That team is ready to be blown up.
I can only see a THJ trade happening in exchange for these guys:
Tobias Harris (THJ+Bertans+McGee+2nd)
Graham+Temple (THJ)
RW (THJ+Bertans+McGee)
Simmons (THJ+Bertans)
Fultz (THJ)
Fournier (THJ)
Duncan Robinson (THJ)
I don't see the Mavs as a clear winner for any of these or the other team wanting Bertans in addition to THJ, just thinking these could be the only trades that might be possible. "Might" is the operative word.
My preference would be:
Graham could be better than his current stats show, he looks bad right now, but I see him as an upgrade over Facu and Frankie. In fact, I can see regular minutes for him that NO can't offer.
(11-03-2022, 10:14 PM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: [ -> ]I can only see a THJ trade happening in exchange for these guys:
Tobias Harris (THJ+Bertans+McGee+2nd)
Graham+Temple (THJ)
RW (THJ+Bertans+McGee)
Simmons (THJ+Bertans)
Fultz (THJ)
Fournier (THJ)
Duncan Robinson (THJ)
I don't see the Mavs as a clear winner for any of these or the other team wanting Bertans in addition to THJ, just thinking these could be the only trades that might be possible. "Might" is the operative word.
My preference would be:
Graham could be better than his current stats show, he looks bad right now, but I see him as an upgrade over Facu and Frankie. In fact, I can see regular minutes for him that NO can't offer.
Any player willing to pass would work for me.
Posters here will defend his Carlisle days as standard THJ. Who cares? He's streaky, expensive, bad defense, ball-hogs, kills possessions, kills team morale, unskilled outside of "on nights" and old. He has the worst on court etiquette of any player in the league who is not a star.
Its not defendable unless youre a psychology troll.
(11-03-2022, 08:54 PM)MFFL Wrote: [ -> ]You could throw Green into the trade and our payroll wouldn't increase at all. And why not, its not like Green would play again after that trade
Green > Simmons this year and he might legit be better for the next 5 years. People really want Luka to get doubled every poss with the man that is guarding Simmons? The best defense against Luka will be on his own team. Luka is really far from great off the ball, which is a different story. And Simmons without the ball = useless
Green is 21, and Simmons is 26 and has back and knee issues. Not even accounting for the fit issues with his 4 vs 5 offense. Or his mental issues. That are 3 big potential problems at once with Simmons.
His times being a "great" defender might legit be over as well, if his athleticism aint coming back to the same level. With for example an ACL tear, you have a definite timeline to get back where you was before. Back injuries don't really have that. Which scares me the same way than his 4 vs. 5 offense. His back might be Porter JR like.
For the people wanna get rid of Bullock, i wouldn't:
![[Image: bullock.png]](https://i.postimg.cc/nrZFRhQx/bullock.png)
(11-03-2022, 10:50 PM)sefant Wrote: [ -> ]For the people wanna get rid of Bullock, i wouldn't:
There is an argument that DFS has been the worst defender on the Mavs this season.
(11-03-2022, 11:07 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]There is an argument that DFS has been the worst defender on the Mavs this season.
A lot of people argue the Earth is flat.
(11-03-2022, 09:01 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]At this rate we should hold out and trade for KD. That team is ready to be blown up.
will probably be traded back to the Warriors
(11-03-2022, 11:07 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]There is an argument that DFS has been the worst defender on the Mavs this season.
Those numbers were last season. Not trying to turn it into a discussion between DFS vs. Bullock vs Green. Bullock lead the Mavs in +/- and DFS was 2nd in the regular season and both were reversed 1th and 2nd in +/- in the playoffs as well. Bullock played the most min in the playoffs.
In the playoffs everyone was saying DFS/Bullock played too many minutes and had no juice left in the tank vs. the Warriors. Probably nailing the truth.
Even if Green emerges as a player who is playing 30/35 min at some point this year. I am not sure if trading Bullock away is a good idea without a 3 + D replacement. You are back to the same problem as last season. Green doesn't make Bullock obsolete for now. Even if he dwarfs both DFS/Bullock.
Its a bit of a what if scenario, but i am wondering how both Clippers series would have gone with Bullock on the roster. Because with Bullock they seems to found a better formula to have better defense with Luka on the floor. "Another DFS/another 3+D" guy in the starting 5.
(11-04-2022, 02:17 AM)sefant Wrote: [ -> ]Those numbers were last season.
Sure, but I was referring to this season.
(11-04-2022, 02:17 AM)sefant Wrote: [ -> ]Even if Green emerges as a player who is playing 30/35 min at some point this year. I am not sure if trading Bullock away is a good idea without a 3 + D replacement. You are back to the same problem as last season. Green doesn't make Bullock obsolete for now. Even if he dwarfs both DFS/Bullock.
I'd only agree with keeping Bullock if:
The Mavs add a decent playmaker and Green's improvement is just marginal compared to his current play.
I'd ship out Bullock if:
The Mavs only has Facu and Frankie, and Green improves to someone who outplays Bullock and/or DFS.
If Green gets to be head and shoulders above DFS, that's one heck of a 3andD guy.
Basically, the SF/3andD becomes a position of strength.
But if the Mavs don't add a playmaker, then Bullock turns from essential, to "nice-to-have".
Shore up the weak points instead of strengthening what's already solid.
(11-04-2022, 08:42 AM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: [ -> ]I'd only agree with keeping Bullock if:
The Mavs add a decent playmaker and Green's improvement is just marginal compared to his current play.
I'd ship out Bullock if:
The Mavs only has Facu and Frankie, and Green improves to someone who outplays Bullock and/or DFS.
If Green gets to be head and shoulders above DFS, that's one heck of a 3andD guy.
Basically, the SF/3andD becomes a position of strength.
But if the Mavs don't add a playmaker, then Bullock turns from essential, to "nice-to-have".
Shore up the weak points instead of strengthening what's already solid.
I think its fairly clear this team needed another 3&D player last season and particularly in the playoffs. When Luka played with three of them (DFS, Bullock and Maxi) in the playoffs he netted +7, and it dropped significantly with fewer 3&D on the court. The huge minutes all three played in the playoffs would be another strong indication. I would argue as long as Luka and Din are healthy, adding another 3&D (hopefully Green is truly stepping into that role) is more important than adding a negative defense playmaker.
Personally, the only way I trade Bullock is if its part of a bigger package for a two way player.
(11-04-2022, 01:46 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]Personally, the only way I trade Bullock is if its part of a bigger package for a two way player.
That's a good rule of thumb for
every deal they make moving forward, imho.
The biggest problem with the Donnie Nelson era, as I saw it, was the tendency for the team to settle for "specialists," hoping to improve one area or another. The problem is that once the competition gets serious, guys like that can't be on the floor long enough to affect change in their areas of strength because they too easily get you killed in areas of weakness.
There's reason to believe this new regime gets it, but there are also some instances where it seems like they don't, so I guess the jury is still out.
(11-07-2022, 01:06 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Day to Day Davis
One of the all time best nicknames
(11-03-2022, 11:07 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]There is an argument that DFS has been the worst defender on the Mavs this season.
He looks flat to me.
I think people are underestimating the effect of the Mavs making the Western Conference Finals last year. It’s human nature to no longer have urgency in November and December when you’re expecting to play into May. It could be subconscious or it could be a conscious attempt to save yourself for the stretch run and playoffs. Bullock and DFS especially were playing 40 minutes in every playoff game.
I think that’s why Green and Powell look so good. They’re playing at a higher energy level than the rest of the team.
Different sport but Sean McVay says once you reach a certain level as a team, the only point of the regular season is to prepare for the playoffs.
(11-07-2022, 03:51 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status...55745?s=46&t=1x1rV4MobXAvb54JgCqJlg
Been a fan of this team since 2001 but I would honestly have to consider stopping watching if we actually traded for Ben Simmons. I'll just switch to watching Luka highlights on YouTube after every game.