(12-24-2022, 10:57 AM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]Quite the genius.
The Logo also has a lot of admiration for Luka. I'm sure the Mavs could (and should) money whip him into joining the team to help build around this generational talent.
(12-24-2022, 12:47 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]This is interesting analysis of the idea of
Ayton-Crowder FOR
Wood, Powell, Bullock, picks
While the Philly inclusion is also interesting, I am stepping past because I don't think it fits Sixers' biggest trade incentive, which would be to slip below the tax line. They are tantalizingly close, and getting tax free is how Morey typically operates at TDL. The 3-for-1 doesn't do the trick, and in fact takes them in the wrong direction by maybe another mill or more (after factoring in the cost of filling those empty slots). I do think there might be a window of opportunity there to land a talent, and it might be something to tack onto a different primary deal, but only if the cap result can be different for the Sixers.
As to the main course, I am hesitant on Ayton. He's definitely better than Wood, of course. But my recollection is that he was played off the floor in the playoffs -- so did I misremember? I don't want my max-salary center to be unplayable when it counts, even if he is generally better defensively than Wood. OTOH, if he can legit guard all over the floor (like Bam, say), then I think he'd be worth the investment including picks.
As a side note, I think the Mavs definitely need a TWO-way wing (imo Crowder is not close to being that guy) and another really good playmaker (ala Brunson) in a big way, and if I had solutions for those as well, using my assets for a C would probably be my last choice of the 3. So if I was shopping, that would be part of my thinking while considering this.
If the goal is to get to contention in the next season or two (and that is probably a safe assumption with this FO) I think there are two routes to take.
Spend all of our assets (after draft) on a two way player that can create for themselves or others. Guys like Brown, SGA, and Siakam. I think Siakm is probably the only guy we have a legitimate shot at and only if Toronto waits until this coming offseason to dump him.
The other option would be to split our assets for two players that fit particularly well with Luka. At least one of those guys needs to be a two way wing that can create either for himself or others while also being able to stretch the floor. Guys like Anunoby, VanVleet, Wiggins, Ball (if he can get healthy). Is pairing Ayton with one of those guys (say VanVleet) enough to make this team a contender? Do we have the assets to do both of those moves?
(12-24-2022, 12:47 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]As a side note, I think the Mavs definitely need a TWO-way wing (imo Crowder is not close to being that guy) and another really good playmaker (ala Brunson) in a big way, and if I had solutions for those as well, using my assets for a C would probably be my last choice of the 3. So if I was shopping, that would be part of my thinking while considering this.
Man oh man, do I agree with this!
the problem to acquire Siakam/Anunoby etc...too many teams wanting to win and those guys would fit perfectly in any contender, in the case of Siakam I expect a similar price Gobert/Mitchell at least...and that means that not only the selections are coming out ...Green/Hardy even DFS should go in the package...Timberwolves had to attach Vandervilt/Beasley/Beverley/Kessler all positive assets, let alone Cavs(Lauri/Adbaji/Sexton)..just imagine having to compete with offers equipment like... NOP/Grizzlies/Kings/Blazers etc who have lottery guys to add (Murphy/Ziaire/Murray/Sharpe).. so is it viable for us?
I can not see it.. Personally I would prefer to go another way and grow more organically as the market is (I would tank this year, as I think we need a premium asset, even if Luka doesn't like it.. if Curry and Lillard have done it, I suppose he would understand that is the best for the team) but that's another debate.. Wouldn't do anything significant now, maybe cut some future salary if possible..
(THJ/Ntilikina for PBev/Nunn/Christie?)
and Trade Wood if they won't extend it (I would extend it)..
I would target guys like Vandervilt or Turner that due to their situation I think we could reach them
(12-24-2022, 11:19 PM)Mikelorenzo Wrote: [ -> ]the problem to acquire Siakam/Anunoby etc...too many teams wanting to win and those guys would fit perfectly in any contender, in the case of Siakam I expect a similar price Gobert/Mitchell at least...and that means that not only the selections are coming out ...Green/Hardy even DFS should go in the package...Timberwolves had to attach Vandervilt/Beasley/Beverley/Kessler all positive assets, let alone Cavs(Lauri/Adbaji/Sexton)..just imagine having to compete with offers equipment like... NOP/Grizzlies/Kings/Blazers etc who have lottery guys to add (Murphy/Ziaire/Murray/Sharpe).. so is it viable for us?
I can not see it.. Personally I would prefer to go another way and grow more organically as the market is (I would tank this year, as I think we need a premium asset, even if Luka doesn't like it.. if Curry and Lillard have done it, I suppose he would understand that is the best for the team) but that's another debate.. Wouldn't do anything significant now, maybe cut some future salary if possible..
(THJ/Ntilikina for PBev/Nunn/Christie?)
and Trade Wood if they won't extend it (I would extend it)..
I would target guys like Vandervilt or Turner that due to their situation I think we could reach them
I agree. This would be a total crap shoot for the Mavs as they don't have nearly the assets or players other teams want, as some other teams that can put together much better trade packages.
(12-25-2022, 09:15 AM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: [ -> ]I agree. This would be a total crap shoot for the Mavs as they don't have nearly the assets or players other teams want, as some other teams that can put together much better trade packages.
That is true. But Siakam has a lot of power in where he wants to be. He will be expiring next season.
(12-25-2022, 09:20 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]That is true. But Siakam has a lot of power in where he wants to be. He will be expiring next season.
Good point. But do you think a player like Siakam would be willing or want to play with a ball-dominant player like Luka? I think that was a big reason Brunson left. And would Luka be willing to play more off the ball if Paschal were added? Toronto runs most of their offense through Siakam or FVV. You never know with Masai Ujiri. He could re-sign him, or let him walk as he already has his replacement in Scottie Barnes.
It will be interesting to see what Toronto does at the TDL.
(12-25-2022, 09:44 AM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: [ -> ]But do you think a player like Siakam would be willing or want to play with a ball-dominant player like Luka? I think that was a big reason Brunson left. And would Luka be willing to play more off the ball if Paschal were added?
These are questions for management. Are they capable to sell the story of contending to both Luka and Siakam? It has to be clear to Luka that it is impossible to win the trophy playing like they do now. Right now,unfortunately, I don't think they have many other options due to glaring lack of talent. Bullock doesn't even want to dribble. DFS and FN try it sometimes but it feels it is more often leading to turnover or bad shot than basket or assist. Even still very limited guy like Green is greatly improving the offense.
I know Luka was playing off the ball before. Dallas had extremely limited success getting any players worthy of giving up the ball to. KP was horrible with his post ups. Brunsons breakthrough happened just in his last season - perhaps they didn't even have time to really gel together. Still, Lukas usage definitely was lower last season. Dallas simply didn't add any player capable of demanding the ball and doing something efficient with it.
I think the big reason Brunson left was because he could choose his destination. He was nothing more than trade asset for Dallas and they made no effort to show him otherwise. At least he ended up where he wanted, plus they actually wanted to pay him more. I doubt he thought he was given a team to lead. He is not paid like a lead guy and NY is always looking for a big trade. Very likely he will end up with a star player one day, who will have the most responsibility to make things happen.
(12-26-2022, 02:38 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Why? I thought they wanted to get space for Obi to start.
I feel like we’ve learned that 100% of tidbits like this one are plants to scare a third, unmentioned team into hasty action. And, I feel like it’s a pointless exercise that said third team can probably see right through.
We, the fans are the real victims.
(12-26-2022, 02:43 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I feel like we’ve learned that 100% of tidbits like this one are plants to scare a third, unmentioned team into hasty action. And, I feel like it’s a pointless exercise that said third team can probably see right through.
We, the fans are the real victims.
Is it bad that I wouldn't mind Tobias here? Switchable 4 that can create his own shot and is efficient enough?
He's a slightly more reigned in version of THJ in the body of DFS. Don't mind that one bit even if his contract is unstomachable.
(12-26-2022, 02:45 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Is it bad that I wouldn't mind Tobias here? Switchable 4 that can create his own shot and is efficient enough?
He's a slightly more reigned in version of THJ in the body of DFS. Don't mind that one bit even if his contract is unstomachable.
Hard to see a trade that would make sense to Cuban - the impact of the salary is an issue in multiple ways for Dallas (not the least of which would be the challenge of finding the right $35M or so to send the other way), and can't see Philly being that eager to do so much merely to move off of Harris.
You have two teams with title aspirations, each only wanting to trade for a result that makes them better. Hard to see one.
We just need to figure out how to accumulate all the best players from Luka's draft. That way the timeline is the same.
That speaks volumes to what the National Media/Odds Makers feel about the Mavs FO.
(12-26-2022, 03:51 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]Hard to see a trade that would make sense to Cuban - the impact of the salary is an issue in multiple ways for Dallas (not the least of which would be the challenge of finding the right $35M or so to send the other way), and can't see Philly being that eager to do so much merely to move off of Harris.
You have two teams with title aspirations, each only wanting to trade for a result that makes them better. Hard to see one.
I would also argue that if there is any chance of holding onto Wood, we would want to play him at center and put a strong defensive 4 next to him (Dorian, Maxi). Harris is an ok defender, but I don't think a Wood/Harris frontcourt is what you really want defensively.
(12-25-2022, 12:05 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I think the big reason Brunson left was because he could choose his destination. He was nothing more than trade asset for Dallas and they made no effort to show him otherwise. At least he ended up where he wanted, plus they actually wanted to pay him more. I doubt he thought he was given a team to lead. He is not paid like a lead guy and NY is always looking for a big trade. Very likely he will end up with a star player one day, who will have the most responsibility to make things happen.
New York flips their acquisitions almost immediately. They have zero loyalty. It is just as likely that Brunson is flipped for that lead guy.
Where as the Mavericks are loyal to a fault. They keep players long past their shelf date. It is only the Dallas fans who think of players as only trade assets
(12-26-2022, 05:54 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]This would be the weirdest timeline.
If Trae can't work next to Murray, how can he work next to Luka?
TBH, with how Luka is starting to spend more and more time deferring ball handling duties and basically lining up as a post up power forward, I'm not sure the ball handling between the two couldn't work. I think Luka's ankle is a real constant problem, and it's going to be necessary to start limiting ball handling duties particularly during the regular season to not overtly risk longer term damage. Not to mention Trae I think unquestionably has far more respect for Luka than he does for Murray. I think it could potentially work even better than it did between Harden and CP3, whom basically everyone was saying would be a disaster before CP3 went there. That's purely from an offensive standpoint, defensively it's a completely different story. But I think Trae's efficiency would jump up significantly when he isn't the number one focus of a defense, and their offensive hub firepower could make up for it. I think the efficiency of both increases based on each others presence. The combined playmaking with two top 5 NBA passers is almost more appetising than the scoring ability. I think sometimes we forget or overlook how ridiculously elite a passer Trae Young is (I think he's arguably better than Luka). I think he's an 11-12 APG guy with high level teammates around him.
No idea how we'd even come close to offering the best package for him though, unless his downturn in efficiency and defensive weaknesses has other teams hesitant to give up big packages for him.