The Mavericks need to add position-less players. We struggle against teams like the Clippers/Golden St. that are able to play small and not experience a dropoff offensively. The Mavericks do not have that luxury right now.
(01-23-2023, 04:18 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]Well, the evidence to the contrary is that Turner is from the DFW area, went to college at UT, and before the last trade deadline wore a cowboy hat and boots to a Mavs game. He has never been subtle about his affinity for Dallas.
But he was also on a podcast earlier this season openly asking the Lakers to trade for him.
(01-23-2023, 05:31 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: [ -> ]The Mavericks need to add position-less players. We struggle against teams like the Clippers/Golden St. that are able to play small and not experience a dropoff offensively. The Mavericks do not have that luxury right now.
Absolutely. Turner certainly doesn't fit that bill.
(01-23-2023, 05:29 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]Regarding Hachimura: So more like two picks and a swap, since in 2028 the Wizards get the worse pick between the Lakers pick and their own. If the Lakers have the better record, they just keep their own pick and Wizards get nothing? 
If the Wizards have the better record, they get the Lakers pick.
I believe that the Lakers currently already owned both of them from the Russ trade so the Wizards could be getting their pick back in this case. I was really confused at the wording at first.
(01-23-2023, 05:34 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]But he was also on a podcast earlier this season openly asking the Lakers to trade for him.
Ya, hometown is the most overrated aspect of player movement. Look at DWill. He picked Brooklyn over his hometown only to finally play at the last of his career. This is usually the case. It factors in only in their twilight.
(01-23-2023, 05:37 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: [ -> ]Ya, hometown is the most overrated aspect of player movement. Look at DWill. He picked Brooklyn over his hometown only to finally play at the last of his career. This is usually the case. It factors in only in their twilight.
Well considering DWill said he was prepared to come here if Cuban had simply shown up to the meeting...I'm not sure he's the best example.
I'm not saying that Myles Turner wants to come to Dallas because he's from here, I'm saying that I doubt he is opposed to the idea of being traded here.
(01-23-2023, 04:58 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]IND's D gives up 114.2 pts per 100 possessions and the Mavs 114.9 pts.
And MT doesn't have to deal with Luka not getting back on D.
I don't know if Turner is a good defender or not - that end of the floor is so so hard to measure, especially if you don't watch a team's games. And even then, you have to watch games with a singular focus on that player. And even then, it's hard to know.
FWIW, his D-rating at BR is fairly solid. If that tells us anything.
BUT ...
We do have revelatory numbers on rebounding -- which is one of the big needs for the Mavs, and a big part of what they'd want in a center -- and Turner is actually NOT GOOD for a C at rebounding. As much as I think I might like him, that really makes me wary.
Was playing around yet again on the trade machine after the Rui news and more real-time value. Came up with:
Cha gets: Levert/Powell/Bullock/2 Mavs SRPs
Cle gets: THJ
NY gets: DFS/Frank
Dal gets: Hayward/PJ/McDaniels/Toppin/Reddish
Luka/Green/McDaniels or Reddish/PJ/Wood
SD/Hayward/Reddish or McDaniels/Toppin/Maxi
This trade literally just gets through this year with a good enough team to get into the playoffs and possibly win a first round matchup. Sign Reddish and McDaniels to a 3 year contract with TO 3rd year for $6M flat all 3 years. Sign PJ to same only starting at $17M with max raises. After TDL, give Wood 3 year max extension with PO 3rd year (can get another payday at 30 if he plays well).
We then have some young assets with lots of potential all over the place and some big expirings to go with in Hayward, Bertans and SD.
(01-23-2023, 03:19 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I think Turner is a better player, at least this season. He can do stuff offensively and is an excellent defender. Better to build around Luka, imho. His only weakness is he is often injured. Will likely also cost more (in terms of salary).
He is definitely a better rim protector and defender. He's been top 3 in shot blocks for the last few seasons. Rebounding they might be about even.
(01-23-2023, 04:18 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]Well, the evidence to the contrary is that Turner is from the DFW area, went to college at UT, and before the last trade deadline wore a cowboy hat and boots to a Mavs game. He has never been subtle about his affinity for Dallas.
Glad you are posting again.
There was a video someone posted during the playoffs where Turner was on some show (maybe NBA TV) breaking down some of the action for a Dallas playoff games. I think I heard him wet himself watching Luka passes and envisioning himself at the receiving end. He was not subtle with his body language.
I've been sporadic in my posting in recent times, so what I'm about to post might be something someone's already brought up, and I apologize in advance if that's the case.
I generally don't want to trade firsts in-season due to the post-draft Robin-for-Luka bonanza we all hope to materialize. However, here's one I would do:
Bertans/THJ/2027 FRP for Bojan/Burks/Noel
Not sure Detroit does it. If they were willing, would you? I understand that Bojan has an option of sorts on his final year which might make his contract go away or be easily traded in 2025, and the other two expire then, so that fits into Cuban's stupid Plan Powder approach.
Speaking of which, I look for the Mavs to money-whip Wood with a ludicrous-per-year-for-him two-year deal this summer, thus preserving Cuban's stupid plans.
Trade masterminds - what would need to be added on either side to get this one done?
Reggie for Coby White and Derrick Jones Jr.
Turner for Hardaway makes some sense. Rick is familiar with him. Pacers have plenty of space for his contract. Mavs solve a bunch of problems and have more options this summer
(01-23-2023, 06:32 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Bertans/THJ/2027 FRP for Bojan/Burks/Noel
I'd like this one better:
Bullock+Bertans+McGee+FRP for Bojan+Hayes+Noel
if Detroit wants THJ instead of Bertans I'd take a second round pick from them.
Bullock+THJ+McGee+FRP for Bojan+Hayes+Noel+SRP
(01-23-2023, 06:52 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]Trade masterminds - what would need to be added on either side to get this one done?
Reggie for Coby White and Derrick Jones Jr.
The money is right on. I myself am not a fan at all of White’s zero on defense game. At this point in DJJ’s career he’s a is what he is guy IMO too. Bullock has shown little for us so far too, but we know he’s a second half of the season guy. That’s why I like the trade with NYK, cause they know who he is too.
In answer to your question, I suspect Chi would want a SRP or 2, where I think we could get slightly more from NYK trading with them.
(01-23-2023, 06:32 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]I've been sporadic in my posting in recent times, so what I'm about to post might be something someone's already brought up, and I apologize in advance if that's the case.
I generally don't want to trade firsts in-season due to the post-draft Robin-for-Luka bonanza we all hope to materialize. However, here's one I would do:
Bertans/THJ/2027 FRP for Bojan/Burks/Noel
Not sure Detroit does it. If they were willing, would you? I understand that Bojan has an option of sorts on his final year which might make his contract go away or be easily traded in 2025, and the other two expire then, so that fits into Cuban's stupid Plan Powder approach.
Speaking of which, I look for the Mavs to money-whip Wood with a ludicrous-per-year-for-him two-year deal this summer, thus preserving Cuban's stupid plans.
I don't think anyone is wanting to trade a first unless it's an all in move. I personally wouldn't do the trade even though it makes us better now. It would limit whatever big trade might happen this summer or whenever.
(01-23-2023, 06:16 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: [ -> ]He is definitely a better rim protector and defender. He's been top 3 in shot blocks for the last few seasons. Rebounding they might be about even.
Turner is a terrible rebounder for some reason. This is his best year rebounding, but his rebounds and rebound rate is still less than Wood.
Turner's weight is much closer to Mcgee than Wood. Dube is an old school big who happens to have a good 3pt% for an old school big. No other aspect of his game is at all a stretch, mobile big.
All that said, he's going to be 80% more expensive than Wood to extend.
Luka and Turner share the same rebounding ability, they both get the ball that's directly in front of them.
But for some reason Turner doesn't have a feel on where the ball bounces.
Luka does.
Wood on the other hand, can get a rebound sideways, can pluck a rebound out of reaching hands due to his vertical and wingspan. Wood though, doesn't box out, but it just tells you how good a rebounder he is even with the self imposed non-box out tactic. If there's a need for one play for a rebound, my money is on Wood over Turner EVERYTIME.
I haven't watched Turner this year, but he has always looked like a guy who will be battling injuries. Just his running looks odd.
He does defend the rim at an elite level. Although, some of his other parts of his game are lacking for the type of salary he will command. I think it would be either him or Wood. I am not sure I would want to play both 45 million combined for the next 3-4 years. Would I trade Wood for Turner? Hmm....I am not sure.
It is probably a moot point because I am sure Indy would want something else. If I thought adding Turner would make us a contender, I would give it a lot of thought. I just think we are about a year away for a trade like this...if we do everything right.
I read that it was almost a three way trade where the Bucks got Crowder, the Suns got Crowder and the Wizards got three second round picks. I guess they valued the Laker second round picks more.
I think Turners mediocre rebounding numbers are mostly about his defensive approach. He is trying to challenge everything around the rim. And that can lead to situations where is out of position for the rebound or boxout. Personally I prefer an "overeager" defender over the current layup line around the rim.
I don´t think Wood is a better team rebounder. He knows how to get his but the complete lack of boxouts is hurting the team.