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(06-20-2022, 10:54 AM)JamesConway912 Wrote: [ -> ]So we’re already in money saving mode or why would they not use the TPE. Meh.

How many guys realistically fit in the trade exception while also not costing any sort of assets? Most of these guys that are getting traded for free are usually pretty bad. 

Mavs probably would rather let the TPE expire and explore bigger trades than trying to find someone with a 10 mil salary that can fit.

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(06-20-2022, 11:13 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/kevingraysports/stat...51398?s=21&t=TrOsnqHwD26sQIwR9Lz5RQ

MacMahon has been reliable and he is clearly stating that "playoff rotation wing" is the priority for the Mavs this offseason.

MT is definitely NOT that. 

JC on the other hand....I like to convince myself he is a big "playoff rotation wing" and therefore is still on the Mavs radar....

(06-20-2022, 11:17 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]MacMahon has been reliable and he is clearly stating that "playoff rotation wing" is the priority for the Mavs this offseason.

MT is definitely NOT that. 

JC on the other hand....I like to convince myself he is a big "playoff rotation wing" and therefore is still on the Mavs radar....

I think the player type that is most "off the board" with the acquisition of Wood is the Collins/Tobias Harris type.  Not that we ever had enough to land Collins, but he'd be incredibly redundant here now.

(06-20-2022, 11:36 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]I think the player type that is most "off the board" with the acquisition of Wood is the Collins/Tobias Harris type.  Not that we ever had enough to land Collins, but he'd be incredibly redundant here now.

I would agree with this if the Mavs seemed to think Wood was in the mold of Collins/Tobias, but I don't think they do. Instead I think they classify Wood like Turner, Gobert, Capela, etc. I think they would classify Collins/Tobias as a "big wing" that would help ease the burden on DFS.

I think Wood will be the lone big a lot/most of the time (whereas playing JC as the lone "big" would not work most of the time). I think the Mavs would be prioritizing a big if they didn't think that. And all the tea leaves I see point to the Mavs not looking for a big and instead looking for a wing. 

I see JC and Wood being able to play alongside each other very well. They both can PnR and both can stretch the floor. But I see JC as a "big wing" and I see Wood as a "center/big."

What about Nic Claxton?  He's a really good rim protector and a better rebounder than Kleber or Powell.  I'd throw all the backup C minutes to Claxton.

Reminder on JC's size:
Height w/o shoes: 6 '8.25"
Standing Reach: 8' 10.5"
Wingspan: 6' 11.25"

DFS...
Height w/o shoes: 6 '6.5"
Standing Reach: 8' 9.5"
Wingspan: 6' 11.75"

(06-20-2022, 11:41 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I would agree with this if the Mavs seemed to think Wood was in the mold of Collins/Tobias, but I don't think they do. Instead I think they classify Wood like Turner, Gobert, Capela, etc. I think they would classify Collins/Tobias as a "big wing" that would help ease the burden on DFS.

I think Wood will be the lone big a lot/most of the time (whereas playing JC as the lone "big" would not work most of the time). I think the Mavs would be prioritizing a big if they didn't think that. And all the tea leaves I see point to the Mavs not looking for a big and instead looking for a wing. 

I see JC and Wood being able to play alongside each other very well. They both can PnR and both can stretch the floor. But I see JC as a "big wing" and I see Wood as a "center/big."

This is where I’m at as well. Dorian has the position flex defensively that most other wings do not. It sure would be nice to have another big wing

And the best thing about a "big wing" is that such a player CAN play as the big if needed (so adds to the "big man" depth) WHILE ALSO easing the burden on DFS who has been asked to play an incredible amount of minutes.

(06-20-2022, 11:41 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I would agree with this if the Mavs seemed to think Wood was in the mold of Collins/Tobias, but I don't think they do. Instead I think they classify Wood like Turner, Gobert, Capela, etc. I think they would classify Collins/Tobias as a "big wing" that would help ease the burden on DFS.

I think Wood will be the lone big a lot/most of the time (whereas playing JC as the lone "big" would not work most of the time). I think the Mavs would be prioritizing a big if they didn't think that. And all the tea leaves I see point to the Mavs not looking for a big and instead looking for a wing. 

I see JC and Wood being able to play alongside each other very well. They both can PnR and both can stretch the floor. But I see JC as a "big wing" and I see Wood as a "center/big."

I really think you are trying to fit a square peg in a round hole because you like Collins (as do I).  Not that it matters as we don't have the ammunition for Collins anyway.  Offensively, the things that make you like one are almost the same reasons to like the other.  Defensively, the pair would be a disaster.  Wood "may" be the solo-big much of the time if he can prove it defensively.  If he can't, the solution is not doubling down on similar offensive skills.  This player is going to get minutes with Dinwiddie, Hardaway and Maxi.  They have to be able to defend first and foremost.

As to tea leaves, those have provided us just about nothing in the recent past.  Basically no one here had us signing Bullock last summer.  Almost no one had positive things to say about Dinwiddie until the KP deal actually happened and Wood was well down the list of mentions at center around here until it actually happened.  Nico used the word "shot blocker" in one of the interviews I heard.  I trust that much more than I trust McMahon.  I think there are minutes for a 4/3 type like Otto Porter or a 4/5 type like Thaddeus Young, but I could also see spending money on a Hartenstein type and sliding Maxi into the "Thaddeus Young" role too.  I love me some Gary Payton, but that is the place I don't see the team going...smaller defensive wing.

One way to offset the downsides of having a small ball 5 in Wood is to have another small ball 5 in Collins playing the 4. A Wood/Collins frontcourt would be so dynamic.

Sadly Tobias is probably the more realistic target. I wonder if you could loop Tobias into the Wood deal by including a combination of THJ and Eric Gordon.

(06-20-2022, 12:13 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Defensively, the pair would be a disaster. 

I don't see this. I see both Wood and JC as average, to slightly above average defenders when the effort, care, and fit are there. I also see them both fitting Kidd's defensive scheme really well. 

What do you see that you don't like?

(06-20-2022, 12:13 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]I really think you are trying to fit a square peg in a round hole because you like Collins (as do I).  Not that it matters as we don't have the ammunition for Collins anyway. 

Instead of Collins, give me PJ Washington. The cost to acquire and the future financial commitment are significantly different whereas the fit and needs that both would fill aren't nearly as far off.

(06-20-2022, 12:13 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]I really think you are trying to fit a square peg in a round hole because you like Collins (as do I).  Not that it matters as we don't have the ammunition for Collins anyway.  Offensively, the things that make you like one are almost the same reasons to like the other.  Defensively, the pair would be a disaster.  Wood "may" be the solo-big much of the time if he can prove it defensively.  If he can't, the solution is not doubling down on similar offensive skills.  This player is going to get minutes with Dinwiddie, Hardaway and Maxi.  They have to be able to defend first and foremost.

Its ok if your 4/5 have similar offensive skillsets if thats because both guys can literally do almost anything on the court. Defensivly, Are we sure that once in our system these guys arent an upgrade over Dwight and eventually on the level of Maxi as far as switch ability. The upgrade in speed and athleticism alone has to mean something, assuming effort.

(06-20-2022, 12:13 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Nico used the word "shot blocker" in one of the interviews I heard.  I trust that much more than I trust McMahon.

The Nico quote was before the trade, right? Despite his defensive shortcomings, Wood blocked shots last year at the exact same rate as Maxi (our team leader in that stat post-KP, and a guy most fans would say is a pretty darned good shot blocker). So I'm not convinced that Nico doesn't see Wood as addressing that need.

(06-20-2022, 12:28 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]The Nico quote was before the trade, right? Despite his defensive shortcomings, Wood blocked shots last year at the exact same rate as Maxi (our team leader in that stat post-KP, and a guy most fans would say is a pretty darned good shot blocker). So I'm not convinced that Nico doesn't see Wood as addressing that need.

CW's career block percent is 3.1%.

Last year the top 5 Mavs in block percent...

Maxi: 3.6%
DP: 2.0%
DB: 1.8%
Luka: 1.4%
DFS: 1.3%

IMO, CW absolutely 100% addresses the "rim protection" and "shot blocking" and "rebounding" that Nico spoke of.

(06-20-2022, 12:28 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]The Nico quote was before the trade, right? Despite his defensive shortcomings, Wood blocked shots last year at the exact same rate as Maxi (our team leader in that stat post-KP, and a guy most fans would say is a pretty darned good shot blocker). So I'm not convinced that Nico doesn't see Wood as addressing that need.

What am I missing Tyler?  B-Ref has Wood's block % at 2.8 and Maxi's at 3.6.  That makes Maxi 28% better.  EPM lists Wood's number as the 37th percentile among C's and Maxi's in the 90th percentile among PF's.

I'm actually pretty hopeful about Wood's D, based on 19/20 and 20/21, but shot blocking isn't chief among the reasons.

(06-20-2022, 12:38 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]What am I missing Tyler?  B-Ref has Wood's block % at 2.8 and Maxi's at 3.6.  That makes Maxi 28% better.  EPM lists Wood's number as the 37th percentile among C's and Maxi's in the 90th percentile among PF's.

I'm just looking at the blocks per game. They both averaged 1.0 per game this past season, and they also have identical averages of 0.9 per game for their career. One could argue that the averages are deceptive this last season since Wood averaged more minutes, but for their careers they average almost identical minutes. So I think Wood has more block potential than people give him credit for.

Maxi Kleber 6-10 240lbs: 3.6 BLK%
PJ Washington 6-7 230lbs: 3.2 BLK%
John Collins 6-9 230lbs: 3.1 BLK%

Maxi Kleber 6-10 240lbs: 0.9 BPG
PJ Washington 6-7 230lbs: 1.0 BPG
John Collins 6-9 230lbs: 1.0 BPG


Maxi Kleber 6-10 240lbs: 35.9 3PT% / 3.5 3PA
PJ Washington 6-7 230lbs: 37.5 3PT% / 4.4 3PA
John Collins 6-9 230lbs: 37.6 3PT% / 2.5 3PA

I don't think we have the assets for John Collins.  Philly is looking to unload Harris and Thybulle.  That gives us a starting PF and a defensive stopper at wing.  Harris/Thybulle for Hardaway/Bertans.

This and sign Nic Claxton.

PG - Luka / Dinwiddie
SG - Brunson / Green
SF - Finney-Smith / Thybulle
PF - Harris / Kleber
C - Wood / Claxton